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legendary
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Having in mind that Holland still holds Crimean gold that it stole from the Crimean museums and refuses to hand it back, read the following:

Greenpeace compensation ruling in international court not recognized by Moscow
http://www.rt.com/politics/313354-greenpeace-compensation-ruling-in-international/

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Russia’s Foreign Ministry has announced that Moscow won’t recognize an order by the International Arbitration Court to pay compensation over the 2013 impounding of the Arctic Sunrise ship that carried Greenpeace protesters to a Russian offshore rig.

The ministry’s statement released on Tuesday reads that the Russian side did not participate in the court process and continues to maintain that the arbitration tribunal has no jurisdiction in the case.

The comment came soon after the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague ordered that the Russian government must to pay damages to the Netherlands over the 2013 seizure of the Arctic Sunrise, which was protesting against oil drilling in the Russian sea-shelf zone. The court said the amount of damages would be decided at a later date.

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It also said that it had already elaborated on the Russian position on the case in the resolution dated August 5, 2015, that extensively detailed previous legal cases in which various nations prevented illegal activities by Greenpeace at sea.

“We regret that the court has ignored this document,” the Russian diplomats wrote.

They added that the decision of The Hague court de facto encourages protest actions at sea that aren’t peaceful, and which hinder absolutely legal economic activities in the national economic zones and on the continental shelf. This violates the rights of both private individuals and entire maritime states, the Russian side stated.

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Let me get this strait: Holland (and the master of the Dutch - USA) wants to punish Russia for arresting a ship that violated Russian borders, and then performed an act of aggression against a Russian installation in Russian territorial waters, placing Russian citizens' lives in danger? Absurdity, don't you agree?!

Greenpeace should consider itself lucky that their crew was not charged with piracy and that they got their ship back at all!
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yeah, can be say like that.
but, if this invade has been to geared by NATO or US, want or not Russia must to pursue,
cause i think the war from the two superpower country,not want to stoped, cause one of they must to fail.
so, nothing war can be happen again, i dont know why?, the two big country and power in this world wanna be showed if they is the country superpower.
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No western power can invade Russia. In 1945 Churchill had a secret plan named Operation Unthinkable. A plan that would take to war the western allies vs the USSR but the plan did not take place because they realized it will fail.

The moment a western power invades Russia WWIII will begin and with it MAD.
legendary
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Some news from Norway. Norwegian TV2 will film a serial called "Occupiers", in which Russia invades and occupies Norway, after an ecologist party becomes a ruling party. Russia then supposedly takes over the Norwegian oil and gas sector (as if Russia does not have its own  Roll Eyes ).

These Scandinavians (with the notable exception of the Danes) need to stop shitting in their pants when they hear anything about Russia. These people used to be quite brave and courageous a few generations ago. But decades of radical feminist rule has reduced the Scandinavian males to a bunch of feminized pussies.
legendary
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Opinion moulding and black-painting or Russia in the minds of sheeple continues.

Some news from Norway. Norwegian TV2 will film a serial called "Occupiers", in which Russia invades and occupies Norway, after an ecologist party becomes a ruling party. Russia then supposedly takes over the Norwegian oil and gas sector (as if Russia does not have its own  Roll Eyes ).

This is the most expensive TV production in Norway, costing €9,7 million (I wonder who foots the bill?)

Russian embassy expressed regret that Norway decides to scare its citizens with an ephemeral threat. An on the 70th anniversary of Russia liberating Norway from the Nazi occupation. But Russia will not be reacting to it in any other way (such as hysteria) as it is not the Russian way.

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“Russia is unfortunately presented as the aggressor,” Andrey Kulikov, a press officer at the Russian embassy in Oslo told TV2 of the series.
 
“It is of course a pity that on the 70th anniversary of victory in World War II,” he adds, “the show’s writers decide to intimidate Norwegian viewers with a non-existent threat from the East.”


The memorial to the Soviet liberators in Northern Norway.

In English:
http://www.thelocal.no/20150820/russia-protests-unfortunate-norway-invasion-drama

In Russian: http://regnum.ru/news/polit/1955427.html

What can I say. I can quote Master Yoda:

“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”

And fear (of Russia) is exactly what is being instilled in the minds of the Western audience.
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.... Poutintroll have nice days .... as they are well paid !

Russia’s top five myths about NATO 

Myth 1: NATO leaders promised at the time of German reunification that the Alliance would not expand to  the East
Fact:
No such promise was ever made, and Russia has never produced any evidence to back up its claim.
Every formal decision which NATO takes is adopted by consensus and recorded in writing. There is no written record of any
such decision having been taken by the Alliance.   
Moreover, at the time of the alleged promise, the Warsaw Pact still existed. Its members did not agree on its dissolution until
1991. Therefore, it is not plausible to suggest that the idea of their accession to NATO was on the agenda in 1989.
This was confirmed by the former Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev himself. This is what Mr Gorbachev said on 15
October 2014 in an interview with Rossiiskaya Gazeta and Russia Beyond The Headlines:
“The topic of ‘NATO expansion’ was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. I say this with full responsibility. Not
a single Eastern European country raised the issue, not even after the Warsaw Pact ceased to exist in 1991. Western leaders didn’t bring
it up, either.”
Finally, any comparison between NATO and the Warsaw Pact or the Soviet bloc is an utter distortion of history. The fact
is that when the countries of Central and Eastern Europe applied for NATO membership, it was of their own free choice,
through their own national democratic processes, and after conducting the required reforms - unlike their incorporation into
the Soviet bloc and the Warsaw Pact, which was carried out under conditions of military occupation, one-party dictatorship
and the brutal suppression of dissent.

Myth 2: Russia has the right to demand a “100% guarantee” that Ukraine will not join NATO
Fact:
 According to Article I of the Helsinki Final Act which established the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) in 1975, every country has the right
“to belong or not to belong to international organizations, to be or not to be a party to bilateral or multilateral treaties including the right to be or not to be a party to treaties of alliance.”
 All the OSCE member
states, including Russia, have sworn to uphold those principles.
In line with those principles, Ukraine has the right to choose for itself whether it joins any treaty of alliance, including NATO’s
founding treaty.
Moreover, when Russia signed the Founding Act, it pledged to uphold
“respect for sovereignty, independence and territorial
integrity of all states and their inherent right to choose the means to ensure their own security”
.
Thus Ukraine has the right to choose its own alliances, and Russia has, by its own repeated agreement, no right to dictate that choice.


Myth 3: NATO has advanced its infrastructure towards Russia’s borders   
Fact:
 Relations between NATO and Russia are governed by the Founding Act on Mutual Relations, Cooperation and Security,
agreed in 1997 and reaffirmed at NATO-Russia summits in Rome in 2002, and in Lisbon in 2010.
In the Act, the sides agreed that:
“In the current and foreseeable security environment, the Alliance will carry out its collective defence and other missions by ensuring
the necessary interoperability, integration, and capability for reinforcement rather than by additional permanent stationing of
substantial combat forces. Accordingly, it will have to rely on adequate infrastructure commensurate with the above tasks.”
This is exactly what NATO has done, transparently and in full accordance with the Founding Act.
December 2014
North Atlantic Treaty Organization

Myth 4: NATO’s response to the Russia-Ukraine crisis and its reinforcement of Allies in Central and Eastern Europe breaches the Alliance’s international commitments
Fact:
 In addressing NATO’s collective defence responsibilities, the Founding Act states that:
“In this context, reinforcement may take place, when necessary, in the event of defence against a threat of aggression and missions in
support of peace consistent with the United Nations Charter and the OSCE governing principles, as well as for exercises consistent
with the adapted CFE Treaty, the provisions of the Vienna Document 1994 and mutually agreed transparency measures. Russia will
exercise similar restraint in its conventional force deployments in Europe.”
NATO’s defensive response to the Russia-Ukraine crisis is therefore fully in line with the Alliance’s undertakings.

Myth 5: NATO has a Cold War mentality
Fact:
 The Cold War ended over 20 years ago. It was characterized by the opposition of two ideological blocs, the presence of
massive standing armies in Europe, and the military, political and economic domination by the Soviet Union of almost all its
European neighbours. 
The modern world does not feature competing ideological blocs: Russia has neither a credible ideology to export, nor
significant international allies who support its aggressive actions in and around Ukraine. In fact, in a vote in the United
Nations General Assembly on 23 March 2014, 100 countries voted that Russia’s attempted annexation of Crimea was illegal,
and just 10, other than Russia, supported it.
The end of the Cold War was a victory for the people of Central and Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union, and opened
the way to overcoming the division of Europe.  At pathbreaking Summit meetings in the years after the fall of the Berlin
Wall, Russia played its part in building a new, inclusive European security architecture, including the Charter of Paris, the
establishment of the OSCE, and the NATO-Russia Founding Act.
Over the past decades, NATO reached out to Russia with a series of partnership initiatives, culminating in the foundation of
the NATO-Russia Council in 2002. No other country has ever been offered such a privileged relationship with NATO.
As stated by NATO heads of state and government at the Wales Summit in September,
“the Alliance does not seek confrontation
and poses no threat to Russia. But we cannot and will not compromise on the principles on which our Alliance and security in Europe
and North America rest.”



And the last ... so commong Russia Troll ... Truth is always .... bad for the nosense propaganda !

legendary
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Why would the west have to invade Russia, when Russia already does shit like this all on their own, despite their citizens having a lack of food?

http://uatoday.tv/society/russia-raises-stakes-in-war-on-western-food-473113.html

Just sit it out and let Russia collapse itself.

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legendary
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Why would the west have to invade Russia, when Russia already does shit like this all on their own, despite their citizens having a lack of food?

http://uatoday.tv/society/russia-raises-stakes-in-war-on-western-food-473113.html

Just sit it out and let Russia collapse itself.
legendary
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That's actually how a response to an invasion is usually done. They are not there because US expressed interest in invading Russia, they are there because Poland and other small Eastern European countries are scared shirtless that Russia will invade them the way it did Ukraine (and because Russia literally threatened some of them), and have asked US and Europe to help protect them.

+1

Russia do not invaded Crimea ... like they have not ton and thousands soldier on Ukraina border ...

Of course simple civil in Donbass brought weapons, rockets on supermarket .... without any help from Russia ...

In crimea now you have 3 type of people ...

1 )  We were expecting much better ... and still wait ...
2 ) We warned you about this situation...
3 ) We are too scared to speak ...

Crimea is fully loaded with Russian tourist .... go on web and look Webcam online ... all places are empty LoL ... but Russian propaganda do his job ...

Let's fall again the russian empire .. and hope this time no one will be there to help them ... ! Better to build weapons and let the people drink and live in poverty !


Crimea Webcam ... picture tell the truth again ... fully loaded with russians tourists .. LoL ....

http://www.worldincams.com/europe/ukraine/crimea/
legendary
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That's actually how a response to an invasion is usually done. They are not there because US expressed interest in invading Russia, they are there because Poland and other small Eastern European countries are scared shirtless that Russia will invade them the way it did Ukraine (and because Russia literally threatened some of them), and have asked US and Europe to help protect them.
legendary
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American tanks are going to be stationed 300 km from Russian border in Polish town Cehanuv:
That's how invasion staging is usually done.
http://www.kp.ru/online/news/2130546/

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There won't be WWIII or anything. Europe and US are not escalating tensions as much. They are really doing the bare minimum when it comes to aggressive foreign policy.

Yet it only takes a tiny spark to burn
down an entire forest  Sad
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There won't be WWIII or anything. Europe and US are not escalating tensions as much. They are really doing the bare minimum when it comes to aggressive foreign policy.
legendary
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First notice how Obama literally promises another war in Middle East:
Without Iran deal, there will be another war in the Middle East – Obama
http://www.rt.com/usa/311678-obama-iran-deal-debate/

An then follow-up with some interesting political expressions from Lavrov today. Maybe the strongest yet:
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In 2009, President Obama has publicly said that if the Iranian nuclear issue will be resolved, there will be no need for missile defense in Europe. I think he lied.

Lavrov also said that Russia does not intend to get entangled in another arms race and that it has enough technical means to give a "not so expensive" response.

In addition he said that creation of such terrorist organisations as ISIS is the direct consequence of USA's policy of unseating legitimate governments and creation of colour revolutions.

http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2649225&cid=5
legendary
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Russia rattles saber. Old rusty chunks fall out. Oops!
http://theweek.com/articles/565028/russian-air-force-falling-sky

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The Russian Air Force is falling out of the sky
Kyle Mizokami



July 10, 2015
The flights began last year. The government of Russian President Vladimir Putin, eager to send a message, began flying nuclear bombers on training missions near the United States and its allies around the world.

The message was one of intimidation and defiance: Russia is still a power to be reckoned with, and meddling in the Ukraine, Syria, and Russia itself — particularly on human rights issues — is not appreciated.

Now, after months of aggressive flying, Russia's overworked air force is falling out of the sky. On July 5, a Su-24M tactical bomber crashed during takeoff at Khabarovsk in the Russian Far East. The plane banked sharply after takeoff and hit the ground. Both pilots were killed.

Five Russian combat planes have crashed in the past month. Russia's attempt to demonstrate strength has backfired spectacularly and demonstrated weakness instead.

In the past year, Russia has sent nuclear bombers to the borders of the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark, Poland, the Netherlands, and Japan. In May, a pair of Su-24 bombers made a low pass over the destroyer USS Ross in the Black Sea, and Russian fighters have demonstrated "reckless" and "unprofessional" behavior near American spy planes over the Baltic Sea, prompting protests from the Pentagon.

Russia's Air Force has been run at a high tempo, and the pace is catching up with an already-weary aircraft fleet. The toll in just the last month has been extraordinary: In addition to the fatal Su-24M accident, two MiG-29 fighters have crashed. Less than three hours after the second MiG crash, a Su-34 strike fighter flipped over while landing and went down south of Moscow.

On Monday July 6th, a Tu-95 strategic bomber suffered an engine fire and overshot the landing strip at Ukrainka Airbase in the Russian Far East, where flights against Japan and the Western United States are conducted. Both pilots were killed.

President Vladimir Putin has decided to mount frequent shows of force to remind other countries of Russia's military power. Unfortunately for him, all of Russia's options for a show of force are dicey. Russia's military suffered from neglect during the 1990s and early 2000s, the result of a weak economy that was unable to properly fund the armed forces. Armored vehicles, ships, and planes were inadequately serviced, and even fell into disrepair.

The Russian Army, being what it is, can't mount an effective show of force beyond the country's borders. The Russian Navy can't send its remaining aircraft carrier and cruisers abroad without a oceangoing tugboat shadowing them — in case one of the ships breaks down.

That leaves the Russian Air Force. The vast majority of Russia's Air Force was built and operated by the Soviet Union, making the youngest of these planes 24 years old. The Tu-95 "Bear", MiG-29 "Fulcrum," and Su-24 "Fencer" fighters and bombers that crashed in the last month were all inherited from the Soviet Union.

Compounding the problem is the inability to replace older aircraft with new models. Since the end of the Cold War the United States has introduced the all-new F-22 Raptor and is on the verge of introducing the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. Russia on the other hand has not introduced a new fighter design in 30 years. Russia's latest fighters, the Su-35 air superiority fighter and the Su-34 strike fighter, are updated designs dating to the late 1970s.

Russia recently announced an aggressive program to modernize its armed forces, and pledged to spend $400 billion on new armaments. But already the program is in trouble, as sanctions over the war in Ukraine, a ban on military sales to Russia, and declining oil prices have sapped the modernization effort.

Russia recently cut its initial buy of the new PAK-FA fighter, it's first stealthy, so-called "fifth generation" design, from 52 to a mere 12. The troubled aircraft program is suffering from technical difficulties and cost overruns. Russia will likely buy more fighters down the road, but it's an example of the problems Moscow faces in procuring new equipment.

Moscow is caught between a rock and a hard place. Russia can no longer rely on older equipment to project an image of strength and power. But increasingly it cannot afford to replace that equipment with modern designs the equal of American and Western equipment.

Four airmen serving their country have died, a tragedy regardless of nationality. But the upshot of this recent spate of crashes may be a more realistic view of Russian power by those wielding it. The Russian military is simply not ready for war — or even saber rattling.
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The WW2 was such a disaster for the humanity. It killed off the most intelligent people we had at that time. A possible WW3 won't be any different. though I think unlikely at the moment and in the next 10 years
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A good article by Paul Craig Roberts explaining the official Washington policy:

Pentagon Concludes America Not Safe Unless It Conquers The World — Paul Craig Roberts
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/07/10/pentagon-concludes-america-safe-unless-conquers-world-paul-craig-roberts-3/

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The Pentagon has released its “National Military Strategy of the United States of America 2015,” June 2015. http://news.usni.org/2015/07/02/document-2015-u-s-national-military-strategy
The document announces a shift in focus from terrorists to “state actors” that “are challenging international norms.” It is important to understand what these words mean. Governments that challenge international norms are sovereign countries that pursue policies independently of Washington’s policies. These “revisionist states” are threats, not because they plan to attack the US, which the Pentagon admits neither Russia nor China intend, but because they are independent. In other words, the norm is dependence on Washington.

Be sure to grasp the point: The threat is the existence of sovereign states, whose independence of action makes them “revisionist states.” In other words, their independence is out of step with the neoconservative Uni-power doctrine that declares independence to be the right of Washington alone. Washington’s History-given hegemony precludes any other country being independent in its actions.

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In the Pentagon document, Russia is under fire for not acting “in accordance with international norms,” which means Russia is not following Washington’s leadership.

In other words, this is a bullshit report written by neocons in order to foment war with Russia.

Nothing else can be said about the Pentagon report, which justifies war and more war. Without war and conquests, Americans are not safe.

...

This report tells us that war with Russia is our future unless Russia agrees to become a vassal state like every country in Europe, and Canada, Australia, Ukraine, and Japan. Otherwise, the neoconservatives have decided that it is impossible for Americans to tolerate living with a country that makes decisions independently of Washington. If American cannot be The Uni-Power dictating to the world, better that we are all dead. At least that will show the Russians

USA must be stopped!  Sad
legendary
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A good article by Paul Craig Roberts explaining the official Washington policy:

Pentagon Concludes America Not Safe Unless It Conquers The World — Paul Craig Roberts
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/07/10/pentagon-concludes-america-safe-unless-conquers-world-paul-craig-roberts-3/

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The Pentagon has released its “National Military Strategy of the United States of America 2015,” June 2015. http://news.usni.org/2015/07/02/document-2015-u-s-national-military-strategy
The document announces a shift in focus from terrorists to “state actors” that “are challenging international norms.” It is important to understand what these words mean. Governments that challenge international norms are sovereign countries that pursue policies independently of Washington’s policies. These “revisionist states” are threats, not because they plan to attack the US, which the Pentagon admits neither Russia nor China intend, but because they are independent. In other words, the norm is dependence on Washington.

Be sure to grasp the point: The threat is the existence of sovereign states, whose independence of action makes them “revisionist states.” In other words, their independence is out of step with the neoconservative Uni-power doctrine that declares independence to be the right of Washington alone. Washington’s History-given hegemony precludes any other country being independent in its actions.

...

In the Pentagon document, Russia is under fire for not acting “in accordance with international norms,” which means Russia is not following Washington’s leadership.

In other words, this is a bullshit report written by neocons in order to foment war with Russia.

Nothing else can be said about the Pentagon report, which justifies war and more war. Without war and conquests, Americans are not safe.

...

This report tells us that war with Russia is our future unless Russia agrees to become a vassal state like every country in Europe, and Canada, Australia, Ukraine, and Japan. Otherwise, the neoconservatives have decided that it is impossible for Americans to tolerate living with a country that makes decisions independently of Washington. If American cannot be The Uni-Power dictating to the world, better that we are all dead. At least that will show the Russians
legendary
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To understand the mechanism of the ongoing aggression against Russia, watch this (with English subtitles and a transcript in the comments):

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Public statements by the US Government and Russia’s oligarchs indicate an ongoing negotiation for the extradition of Vladimir Putin and the dissolution of the Russian Federation.

That's the interpretation of Evgeny Fedorov, who details the mechanisms of leverage over Russia’s decision-makers in the business and state sectors.

Also explained is the opportunity for rapid industrialization and prosperity (in Russia, Greece and elsewhere) by introducing low interests rates and credit expansion for investment, in the context of the ongoing struggle for national sovereignty and self-determination.

SEGMENTS:

00:00 - Aggression against Russia.

08:00 - Construction of the coup d’état.

20:42 - Traitors in positions of power.

31:49 - Greece.

33:20 - Origins of NOD (National Liberation Movement).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCyUZjGV3Zg
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At the same time USA kills people in Donbass through proxies and occupied all of the Baltics, so that statement is what USA sees in itself and wants to project onto others, even in the face of any facts supporting their claims.

Even the NATO allies, such as France and Germany have criticized the United States for their recent provocations in Eastern Ukraine. What was the need to send in heavy weapons to the junta, when a ceasefire was being observed for many months? Seems like someone would like to destroy the ceasefire agreement.
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