Topic: Is this concerning? This could be a conspiracy too. (Read 938 times)

I just wanted to add here that since this post there has been a very evident improvement as far as the number of reports I have been making going unhandled. Thank you.

The report provided screenshots. I will provide here as well so that you can see for yourself.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52473973

I think in this kind of complex case, creating a topic in reputation with proper explanation and bringing substantial evidence will help both reporter and moderator. I have noticed the comment section on the reporting page is not much long to include much text. If this was a text box with multiple raw then it could help.

Help me to find the suitable word. My vocabulary is limited :-D

Your report might have been correct, but it depends on what you included in the report field. If you have simply stated "copied from discord" then that's unlikely to get removed unless the moderator has time to join your discord, and check it. It's much better to provide a source, and as much evidence within the report field as much as possible. Even, if its including where the message exists exactly (what channel etc), and/or screenshots.

Welcme in the club, i got attacked by this too. I heard there are some badges coming so this is why they might be doing it.

quite pathetic.  

*my bold

It's not possible that it's a conspiracy, not because it's not against the law (not a prerequisite for use of the term), but because one person can't conspire with themselves.

Guess what? You just made a shit post lol
Did you even bother to look at op's post history or the responses left so far here from other users?

I bet the answer is, no.

Hmm, it is possible dude, I got to understand this few months ago, but I suggest you first try to improve your posts, and if it is conspiracy, leave it to God, to avoid prejudice, make sure you are diligent enough to be at a safe side, avoid copy and paste post, speak on different topics of the forum and make reasonable contributions. Asides, they don't just ban immediately, but after one or two warning suspension. One can be banned.

I have been noticing this since few months that old posts are getting deleted. I don't even remember where I posted it but seems like I posted it years back and it was a post where I asked the OP to include me in their telegram group. No clue why that post got reported and deleted. Some other reported posts were from threads that were trashed so I can understand why they got deleted.

While I absolutely share your disgust with the total disregard for the meaning of the word conspiracy, and in a legal context you are 100% correct, but the word does in fact have meanings outside of the strictly legal terminology.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conspiracy

that's not against the law, therefore it's not possible that it's a conspiracy



it's not illegal, it cannot therefore be a conspiracy



a theory that people are targeting users with malicious post reports is not a conspiracy, because abusing internet forums like that is not illegal, and therefore not possible to conspire about



giving people merits to manipulate an internet message board (or making a joke about doing that) is not illegal, and therefore cannot be part of a conspiracy

furthermore, if you commit a crime on your own, without planning it with others, it is also not a conspiracy, that is referred to instead as pre-meditated merit-milking (which is still not yet illegal)



a conspirator is the perpetrator of the planning of a crime not someone who accuses others of engaging in a conspiracy.

 


I am literally begging you all, please learn what the word "conspiracy" really means

Where are you getting your facts at and are you even aware of what is happening in the forum? Here is a good example of how a member who had plagiarized was given a second chance to post in the forum again. I am talking about ChiBitCTy and he was one of the first ones to be lifted unbanned due to plagiarism, now he can post in the forum but still is signature banned for about a year since his ban got lifted meaning that he can still post but without wearing any signatures. Banned accounts now here in the forum can be unbanned by having an appeal for the account and you should convince theymos that the account has contributed positively in the forum because it is a case by case basis according to him.

I did report it and the outcome was that my posts showing that the culprit/farmers copied my post from Discord was deleted. Their posts still remain. Is that what you are referring to by "dealt with accordingly?"

I am still very new to bitcointalk even though my account is over a year old. I recently found out what a useful resource this forum can be. I now understand the rules, how the rankings and merit work. Still a little fuzzy on the trust thing, but rule 33 on unofficial rules I found here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/unofficial-list-of-official-bitcointalkorg-rules-guidelines-faq-703657

Says no plagiarism and the only detectable outcome of my report was the deletion of my post showing the proof and calling out the culprit!

I completely understand not wanting to give a false sense of security of banning the sale of farmed accounts because it is impossible to enforce, but rule 33 is enforceable.

Perhaps the moderator took too quick a glance at it. I don't know but what to do now?

This has been a common practice of account farmers for a number of years. Basically, they copy posts made earlier in the thread, because I assume they want it to appear on topic, and less likely to be reported. However, whenever you see this sort of stuff just report it, and it will be dealt with accordingly.

Maybe you are onto something about where they are getting their copied posts from..
Plagiarism is pretty serious business here..  Report it as that and they will be permabanned along with any alt accounts linkable to them..

While reading this post, I came across the word plagiarism several times. I was recently plagiarized several times by several people in the same thread.

It bothered me. So I quoted the post with a screenshot of where their post was my original thought. I never thought that mods actually checked and banned people for this.

My reason for bringing this up now in this thread is because my theory is that there are several people trying to build up bitcointalk accounts in order to sell them to "would be coin devs" because I have heard of bought accounts so that the person looks more experienced than they are.

Please do take a look because the last thing this world needs is more possible scamming.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52473973

I know that what they are copying is not profound or ground breaking stuff, but that's not the point. The point is why are they plagiarizing someone else just to post?

There's a reason why I used those words, and I was careful the way I worded it. Basically, I don't have anything to do with the ban appeal process, and only know a little about the whole process from previous threads. I don't know how strict the unban process is, and I don't know what evidence is accepted. However, from my point of view the way I would handle it. I would certainly accept domain transfers as evidence that the user is no longer owning the website, and consider the context which the link was posted. However, this might also be down to the user. Any website you have publicly advertised might be worth checking in on every so often, and removing any links to ones which have turned malicious. This might sound absolutely crazy, but I believe that would be the moral thing to do. For example, any domains I've parted ways with I've made clear that its now been sold as far as I'm aware. I understand users forget to do this, and might even be too busy. However, I consider morals a priority when it comes to these sort of things. I'd also document this to the public, and message staff members about the change. Being transparent in these things, and going that extra mile that a "normal" user wouldn't do says a lot about morals, and the credibility of the person behind the account.

Yeah, I understand the issues you have with it, but I believe plagiarism should always be dealt with, and my viewpoint aligns with the forum. I haven't always agreed with the guidelines of the forum, and have voiced my opinion about that in the past, however the more I matured, and the more I used the forum I saw that the guidelines here are actually pretty decent. I think I was dead against not moderating scams because I just didn't get it. However, I actually understand why that's a rule these days, and lets just say I no longer have the opinion that I did years ago.

Welsh,

I understand what you are saying, I really do get it. But using your own words above it's still only possibly / probably.
So yeah, odds are said user will get their account back after jumping through hoops. But, it's still going to be a process.


It's a bit of a sensitive topic for me because when the massive plagiarism bans came in the spring / early summer. Someone I know got a ban for plagiarizing their own work.
From back in May just replace spam / plagiarize with bad links:



So yeah, many people have been banned, many people have gotten their accounts back. Some have been banned, and just walked away.

-Dave

This would likely be a well documented case if something used to be legit, and then turned into a malicious site. Bans aren't just handed out without doing research so there's definitely going to be some discussion on this point. Lets say that the staff member who issued a ban didn't see any evidence of this being legit back in the day, then I'm sure including this information within the ban appeal will solve the issue.

For example, if you owned a domain, and sold it off at some point, but still have links to it in your posts from when you owned it, and its suddenly turned into a malware site. You should be able to prove that the domain was moved on afterwards via domain records, and that might possibly help the situation. Being able to prove that you used to own a domain, and no longer do would probably result in the ban being removed in most instances.

At the moment there's been a lot of users getting banned for plagiarism that was posted a few years ago now that users have the tools to find this on a massive scale which is a good thing in my eyes. It has already been quoted in this thread, but theymos approves of banning anyone that has plagiarized in their post history no matter how far back.

There should be some kind of rule / limit to this.
The problem is that I can post a link today that is 100% legitimate. Be it for a miner firmware / altcoin wallet / pdf of useful phone numbers / whatever.
And over the years the domain it is linked to falls into the hands of a bad actor.
Case in point I now own roulettecoin.cc     https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/annrlt-roulettecoin-pow-new-algo-no-premine-gpu-miner-592251
and tenebrix.org      https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/announce-tenebrix-a-cpu-friendly-gpu-hostile-cryptocurrency-45667

and a few others. These were legit projects with some following that more or less died.

If I go nuts and turn them into bitcoin stealing malware sites and then start reporting everyone in every thread that linked back to them for spreading malware it's going to cause a lot of people a lot of grief.

There needs to be a limit on how far back in time it goes. OR a better ban appeal process for it.

Hell I'm 90% sure I have github access to tenebrix as back in the day it was linked to a tenebrix.org email address so I should be able to do a reset / recovery.

So outside of the fact that I just outed myself, how hard would it be for me to start playing games like that. Find old dead projects that people have linked to, get some domains and go to work screwing with people.

-Dave