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Quote from: _act_ on September 05, 2024, 07:33:37 AM

On gambling site ToS you will see 'only gamble with one account for each household.

indeed the terms and conditions of this one casino are quite a dilemma. like if a father and son who are already of age also play at the same online casino. of course, that would be a problem. but when gamblers are aware of these requirements, both should look for different casino alternatives for their favorite place to play.

what can be detected by the casino is definitely the connection from the network used. but KYC, devices, and also the playing habits used must have differences.
many cases of using multiple accounts at the casino have been detected as committing possible fraud to increase the chances of profit obtained by gamblers.

if it has already happened like that, it is better for one of them to report to support and ask for one of the accounts to be closed. I think as long as the account is not indicated to have done something wrong in the game, it can be done. some casinos seem to offer this option to users who have multiple accounts on the casino's terms and conditions.

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Quote from: _act_ on September 05, 2024, 07:33:37 AM

Many people are complaining of gambling sites that they banned their account because of multiple accounts accusation which is against the rules of gambling sites. Some people posted or later posted that they have two accounts, while some people do not admit that they have multiple accounts. Those that did not accept may be lying but what if two people like a brother and his younger brother that is over 18 years old be gambling on the same gambling site with their family WiFi?

On gambling site ToS you will see 'only gamble with one account for each household.

Is this right?

Nothing to fear if you are the only one who gamble in your family. However it’s a different case if someone unknowingly in your family gamble too because you will put in the rough spot although the chance of you and a family member register on same casino is very low.

Most of the case of multiple account are proven cheating with other account since they place on same matches or share similar betting activity.

I don’t see this ToS dangerous in my case since I’m gambling using my mobile phone while I rarely connect on wifi just to gamble especially in my home. I live on my condo unit so I definitely doesn’t share IP.

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Quote from: _act_ on September 05, 2024, 07:33:37 AM

Many people are complaining of gambling sites that they banned their account because of multiple accounts accusation which is against the rules of gambling sites. Some people posted or later posted that they have two accounts, while some people do not admit that they have multiple accounts. Those that did not accept may be lying but what if two people like a brother and his younger brother that is over 18 years old be gambling on the same gambling site with their family WiFi?

On gambling site ToS you will see 'only gamble with one account for each household.

Is this right?

these are variables that are ignored by some gambling site and unfortunately, some suffer for these kind of limitations. Certainly, we can't have a perfect casino that has all things figured out with zero fault from them at all, there will be certain limitations and what's exoected is that users are giving a listening hear when the try explaining the peculiarity of thier case that made them fall into being looked at as those that intentionally wants to bridge the gambling rule for thier advantage. If you've stayed in the midst of students, you will observe that this sort of things is what happens most often. There are times you don't have wifi and one person shares his wifi for others to use. Thier are other times when you don't have data on your mobile device and have to use other persons phone for your gambling. Should you be penalized for such cases? We understand that there are people that deliberately make use of multiple account just to cheat the system but it's still not a justification for allowing it to affect those everyone without allowing an exceptional case.

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The family reason is always a tricky one, no one can vouch for these.

So, even you are family. You should play with different internet connections not under the same connection/WIFI/IP. Why because in family home, usually they using 'WIFI' and casino can cought you or marked your account with multi account. Casino don't want to listed the reason, cause can be made up by the user.

They caught you based the connection section, and it's solid proof. My answer will be "YES" to your question.

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Quote from: Nwada001 on September 05, 2024, 07:54:53 AM

Quote from: _act_ on September 05, 2024, 07:49:01 AM

Quote from: Nwada001 on September 05, 2024, 07:39:01 AM

What they are just trying to protect is their rules and identity thieves' One person can be in one house using multiple accounts, and if you ask them, they can tell you the story of the account that belongs to my relative, and if you ask them to prove it, such a task won't be hard for them to convince; it's simple to just pretend to be whoever they went to be and pass the KYC verification.

It can even go beyond family. I have a guy that my sister's friend gave birth to. He is now in University. He told me about how his friends and him bought Starlink for browsing because the common network providers services are bad in their area. What will happen to such people if they are gambling? I remember when I was in school, I have a friend that we gambled almost at the same time because we are also in the same department. We do almost everything together but we used different phones and laptops.

There are also cases of public WiFi from schools and hospitals where workers and students can use them to gamble and register in the same casino.

Things like that happen, but knowing the rules of the casino, must everyone make use of that same casino? Are there no better ones that offer the same game options even if the odds are different?

What I'm just trying to say is that it's better to play safe than to come back and blame the casino for what the person already knows—that it's against their rules.

Of course, it is better to play safe so that you don't deprive yourself from withdrawal when you win big because no one knows what will happen tomorrow. One thing with theses casinos is that whenever a gambler wins big, they check for every possibility to see how they can withheld his win but when there are no violations, the casino will have no excuse than paying you your funds.

I think the best thing is for both people in the same house is to use different casinos for the or gambling activities because we have a goodbye number of reputable casinos here in the forum and outside the forum.

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Quote from: _act_ on September 05, 2024, 07:33:37 AM

Those that did not accept may be lying but what if two people like a brother and his younger brother that is over 18 years old be gambling on the same gambling site with their family WiFi?

On gambling site ToS you will see 'only gamble with one account for each household.

Is this right?

They created the terms bolded above due to the fact that there’s no way for a casino to determine a player is really playing with a family member or not since anyone can ask brother or family member to do KYC for their other account.

Casino usually have a limit on the amount of bet place on a certain match to control the risk they are taking. Typically lower league matches assigned lower odds and maximum bet since these matches are easy to predict.

As a rule of thumb, never share wifi to other user that is same game gambler with you. I always use mobile data when gambling since our wifi sometimes being use by our guests.

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Quote from: _act_ on September 05, 2024, 07:33:37 AM

On gambling site ToS you will see 'only gamble with one account for each household.

Is this right?

Casinos will do everything within their means to avoid cheating. The rules which state that a household should have one account is not fair. I know some families that have more than one gambler and they share the same internet connections. This will make most of them consider gambling on different gambling platforms. I expect the casinos to verify gamblers through their personal information and not restrict people by this household policy.

Quote from: PX-Z on September 05, 2024, 07:50:22 AM

This kind of issue can be resolve on KYC verification. Labeling someone as multi accounting only because of having the same IP address range is BS. Friends with the same hobby from somewhere else on the same community, village, city can go to your house or somewhere else and connect the same wifi connection thus it will trigger their system just for that. Casinos wants to build a community on their own but this policy opposed to that rules.

It is common to share your internet connections with friends and families when they are out of data. Casinos with these strict policies might not attract more customers. Casinos should be strict but flexible.

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Quote from: _act_ on September 05, 2024, 07:33:37 AM

Many people are complaining of gambling sites that they banned their account because of multiple accounts accusation which is against the rules of gambling sites. Some people posted or later posted that they have two accounts, while some people do not admit that they have multiple accounts. Those that did not accept may be lying but what if two people like a brother and his younger brother that is over 18 years old be gambling on the same gambling site with their family WiFi?

On gambling site ToS you will see 'only gamble with one account for each household.

Is this right?

But if they try to strictly follow the rules laid down by the gambling sides, then the gambler himself is bound to follow those rules. But I think if more than one person in a family gambles, it's an extra burden if it's considered on multiple accounts. But if the rules are very strict in gambling then it is better to quit that gambling site, there are many gambling sites that allow multiple accounts to be used. But I think it is better not to make such clear rules because different people of the same family should be allowed to enter the gambling site.

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Quote from: _act_ on September 05, 2024, 07:33:37 AM

Many people are complaining of gambling sites that they banned their account because of multiple accounts accusation which is against the rules of gambling sites. Some people posted or later posted that they have two accounts, while some people do not admit that they have multiple accounts. Those that did not accept may be lying but what if two people like a brother and his younger brother that is over 18 years old be gambling on the same gambling site with their family WiFi?

On gambling site ToS you will see 'only gamble with one account for each household.

Is this right?

I believe is not right for a gambling site to block someone because of the assumption that there could be a possibility of one person owning multiple accounts based on the fact that they are using one connection, I think is not fair, though I no that they are being strict to there roles but some fact should be considered before making some certain decisions because the case of using WiFi is very common for most families and even at place of work were everybody that works within the sector will have to use the same WiFi, so using that method will seriously results to so many banned on there users because WiFi is something very common.

What is the need of kyc if a gambling site will not even use that method to locate those who has multiple accounts?, so actually that method should be examined based on the kyc because that's the only way to be sure if the users has multiple accounts or not because if they keep banning those kind of accounts they may end up chasing people away from there gambling site, so the kyc method should serve best for that purpose.

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Quote from: _act_ on September 05, 2024, 07:33:37 AM

Many people are complaining of gambling sites that they banned their account because of multiple accounts accusation which is against the rules of gambling sites. Some people posted or later posted that they have two accounts, while some people do not admit that they have multiple accounts. Those that did not accept may be lying but what if two people like a brother and his younger brother that is over 18 years old be gambling on the same gambling site with their family WiFi?

On gambling site ToS you will see 'only gamble with one account for each household.

Is this right?

- I think that's fine as long as there is a KYC provided on the casino gambling platform itself. Because it seems unfair in that case, they should put in their rules that in a wifi family only one person can sign-up at a casino, the problem is they don't have such rules. Right? is there they don't have such rules.

How can they say that there are multiple accounts in a family house that only uses one wifi provider when the households have their own personal documents that can be uploaded to the casino platform if ever there are gamblers.

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This rule was made to avoid users abusing the site promotions... Some sites have rains in the chat and users with multiple accounts try to abuse this feature, and sometimes we see some bonuses that have the odds in the user side, and the gamblers try to abuse it again with multiple accounts.

And the problem here is the IP, that's how the casino detects multiple accounts, and that's why we see some users with multiple VPS and multiple accounts gambling without problems. Is a practice that i don't recommend because you can get detected by coins address tracking.

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Quote from: _act_ on September 05, 2024, 07:49:01 AM

Quote from: Nwada001 on September 05, 2024, 07:39:01 AM

What they are just trying to protect is their rules and identity thieves' One person can be in one house using multiple accounts, and if you ask them, they can tell you the story of the account that belongs to my relative, and if you ask them to prove it, such a task won't be hard for them to convince; it's simple to just pretend to be whoever they went to be and pass the KYC verification.

It can even go beyond family. I have a guy that my sister's friend gave birth to. He is now in University. He told me about how his friends and him bought Starlink for browsing because the common network providers services are bad in their area. What will happen to such people if they are gambling? I remember when I was in school, I have a friend that we gambled almost at the same time because we are also in the same department. We do almost everything together but we used different sims, phones and laptops.

These cases usually happen since we cannot deny the fact that you or they can influence people in their homes to gamble. Provably a certain investigation will happen and KYC which has been said already in this thread could solve everything. If its proven that the device used is different and identity based on registered name on the account is proven different I think the casino would let this issue pass and allow them to gamble. But if there's a rule towards 1 account per household on the casino then I also guess that the gambler cannot do anything but to follow their rules. See this cases especially that online gambling is famous in my country and lots of my neighbors is playing online casino and so far never heard that they encounter any problem.

So its important to fill up the right details with our name so that once KYC has been asked we can easily deal with it and could easily verify our identity to investigating team which handling those possible cases.

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Fear or fair?

This would depend on your answer. I think it would be different for both situations. Knowing that fear makes you scared to do something, on the other hand, fairness is going to be understandable and okay. Can you clarify it, OP?

The content of your post could answer both, So I think it’s better to get it clarified first. In my opinion, it is not necessary to have Accounts. There is nothing to fear, and I think it is fair.

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Quote from: swogerino on September 05, 2024, 07:57:34 AM

That is right but keep in mind that the casinos who do so are of low level in their expertise, the high level ones do not need to do this except when the persons play sport betting and then there is a real chance of banning multi account which is more than fair in my opinion.

Even some big reputable casinos do this too - sometimes they might accept siblings creating account in their site I.e if they are sharing the same WiFi but the only catch is that only one of all the accounts using that WiFi will be allowed to claim any bonus, so the others will only be allowed to deposit normally bet on games with them ever claiming any bonus on the site while one will be allowed to claim bonus.

But as stated above, it will be better to just use a different casino than to go through the trouble of using the same casino and then being punished for not knowing what’s prohibited by the casino.

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Quote from: Nwada001 on September 05, 2024, 07:54:53 AM

Things like that happen, but knowing the rules of the casino, must everyone make use of that same casino? Are there no better ones that offer the same game options even if the odds are different?

At least I have three gambling sites that I am using to gamble. If someone is close to me, it is likely that the person will be using one of the three gambling sites that I am using. Or me to be using of the of the gambling sites that he is using to gamble. This could be from our conversations.

But if they read the terms of service of the gambling site, they should know what that should be avoided. But some people will see the ToS to be long and not read it.

What I have just noticed is that on this forum, some people will always come about multiple accounts complaints but there are many sites that I have not seen anyone come to this forum to complain about multiple accounts. I will prefer to use the later as the gambling site that I will use to gamble.

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Quote from: _act_ on September 05, 2024, 07:33:37 AM

Many people are complaining of gambling sites that they banned their account because of multiple accounts accusation which is against the rules of gambling sites. Some people posted or later posted that they have two accounts, while some people do not admit that they have multiple accounts. Those that did not accept may be lying but what if two people like a brother and his younger brother that is over 18 years old be gambling on the same gambling site with their family WiFi?

On gambling site ToS you will see 'only gamble with one account for each household.

Is this right?

That is right but keep in mind that the casinos who do so are of low level in their expertise, the high level ones do not need to do this except when the persons play sport betting and then there is a real chance of banning multi account which is more than fair in my opinion. The high level ones just change the RTP to their slots and keep getting people money away in a slow and sure way, the people will start complaining but other gamblers will say bad luck (bad luck cannot be in eternity or at least I am not aware of such fact yet) and so the hamster wheel goes on worse than our 9 to 5 daily job, so in this case the casino plays really well by changing the RTP of their slots and you can measure it, you can do so by checking how much bad luck you had in the past against how much bad luck you have now, I am sure in the past bad luck will be much lower compared to the actual one.

Getting back to multi accounting, the casinos have every right to terminate or ban those accounts, as simple as that.

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Quote from: _act_ on September 05, 2024, 07:49:01 AM

Quote from: Nwada001 on September 05, 2024, 07:39:01 AM

What they are just trying to protect is their rules and identity thieves' One person can be in one house using multiple accounts, and if you ask them, they can tell you the story of the account that belongs to my relative, and if you ask them to prove it, such a task won't be hard for them to convince; it's simple to just pretend to be whoever they went to be and pass the KYC verification.

It can even go beyond family. I have a guy that my sister's friend gave birth to. He is now in University. He told me about how his friends and him bought Starlink for browsing because the common network providers services are bad in their area. What will happen to such people if they are gambling? I remember when I was in school, I have a friend that we gambled almost at the same time because we are also in the same department. We do almost everything together but we used different phones and laptops.

There are also cases of public WiFi from schools and hospitals where workers and students can use them to gamble and register in the same casino.

Things like that happen, but knowing the rules of the casino, must everyone make use of that same casino? Are there no better ones that offer the same game options even if the odds are different?

What I'm just trying to say is that it's better to play safe than to come back and blame the casino for what the person already knows—that it's against their rules.

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Quote from: _act_ on September 05, 2024, 07:33:37 AM

Many people are complaining of gambling sites that they banned their account because of multiple accounts accusation which is against the rules of gambling sites. Some people posted or later posted that they have two accounts, while some people do not admit that they have multiple accounts. Those that did not accept may be lying but what if two people like a brother and his younger brother that is over 18 years old be gambling on the same gambling site with their family WiFi?

On gambling site ToS you will see 'only gamble with one account for each household.

Is this right?

This kind of issue can be resolve on KYC verification. Labeling someone as multi accounting only because of having the same IP address range is BS. Friends with the same hobby from somewhere else on the same community, village, city can go to your house or somewhere else and connect the same wifi connection thus it will trigger their system just for that. Casinos wants to build a community on their own but this policy opposed to that rules.

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Quote from: _act_ on September 05, 2024, 07:33:37 AM

Many people are complaining of gambling sites that they banned their account because of multiple accounts accusation which is against the rules of gambling sites. Some people posted or later posted that they have two accounts, while some people do not admit that they have multiple accounts. Those that did not accept may be lying but what if two people like a brother and his younger brother that is over 18 years old be gambling on the same gambling site with their family WiFi?

On gambling site ToS you will see 'only gamble with one account for each household.

Is this right?

I think if there kyc doesn't speak the same then I don't see any reason for the gambling or betting site restricting them. There are things to be considered because while gambling especially they understood the ToS also red by the user and if so they should avoid using one family Wi-Fi to sign to up on same gambling/betting site instead they can sources for a different network to signed up after which, they can use same network to login at this point it's assumed that they didn't used same network to register.

Howbeit, if a gambling can be so naive to restrict account through IP address or sharing same network then it's assumed that they aren't ready to expand their business because there are some people who would want their wife, brother or relatives to signed up that same site to gamble, does this mean that this people aren't permitted to gamble using that site?

No! Because the casinos/betting site has reduced themselves to like one ip one user or one Wi-Fi one user how would it be like?

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Quote from: Nwada001 on September 05, 2024, 07:39:01 AM

What they are just trying to protect is their rules and identity thieves' One person can be in one house using multiple accounts, and if you ask them, they can tell you the story of the account that belongs to my relative, and if you ask them to prove it, such a task won't be hard for them to convince; it's simple to just pretend to be whoever they went to be and pass the KYC verification.

It can even go beyond family. I have a guy that my sister's friend gave birth to. He is now in University. He told me about how his friends and him bought Starlink for browsing because the common network providers services are bad in their area. What will happen to such people if they are gambling? I remember when I was in school, I have a friend that we gambled almost at the same time because we are also in the same department. We do almost everything together but we used different sims, phones and laptops.

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