Topic: Israel Bitcoin Conference July 28-29, 2014 (Read 6899 times)

Going back to the original thread topic for a bit, I'm happy to announce that the conference will now take place on October 19-20. See https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/israel-bitcoin-conference-october-19-20-2014-734556 and the conference website http://bitcointlv.com/.

The conflict is very sad. All I see is humans killing humans. And the cause of this is evil humans. If the evil humans were stopped, it would all stop. No normal people want to live in a state of war. I would not point the finger and take side in the conflict, but every person actively contributing to the conflict through bad actions is to blame. I feel sorry for all the people that have to endure this, esp. for the children who do not deserve to live in such a violent world. They deserve love and peace.

And I would say, no matter how angry you become, step aside and consider whether continued aggression and conflict is productive and constructive.

I do think that any conflict should be resolved by peaceful talks in todays society, and everyone can never be 100% satisfied, so there have to be compromises. Unfortunately it's the way of the few that ruins life for the many - this is very sad.

I'm very sad that all of this is happening, and there's nothing I can do. And there's been a conflict for many years, and it's not likely it's going to stop anytime soon. Life's too short - and humans waste it on a large scale. So sad.

Hamas is a terrorist organization.
Their ONLY job in life is capturing and killing 3 Israeli children last month !!! This *MUST* be REVENGED !!!

"We bought the land. "

Some land was bought, but certainly not all of it. Even the parts that were purchased legitimately have some contentious aspects to it (). Most (if not all) purchases took place before the large scale post WW2 divisions of the land (remember the area was part of British colony at this stage NOT Arab controlled).
Most of the talking points around the land these days are due to Israel illegally taking and settling on more and more new land and not adhering to the legal and intl recognised 1967 borders.
I'm sure there were plenty of perfectly legit purchases of land from Arabs and Ottomans etc back in the pre WW2 days but to suggest that all land that was Palestine that Israel now holds is legitimately owned because of simple land purchases is really pushing it.
This is a really oversimplified reply to a hugely complex issue, but if you browse wikipedia (like these pages i found in 5 seconds), its a good starting point to see how complex the issue is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel#Zionism_and_the_British_mandate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936%E2%80%931939_Arab_revolt_in_Palestine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_land_purchase_in_Palestine
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/may/24/israel-borders-indefensible-netanyahu-aipac
http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.589343).
Also I know that there were plenty of calls from Palestinian sides at various times to not accept even the '67 borders. But usually by the extremists etc who just want Israel gone - who have various levels of support but overall are the minority (no more than the amount of extreemists in Israel/USA who have equally extreme views for example).

Disclaimer: Just to note that I fully support the right of Israel to exist and live in peace etc but I also think Palestinians deserve the same; no more or less (equality is the path to peace). I grew up in UK/Ireland during the 'IRA terrorist years' and there are many parallels. I dont think digging up these old arguments of who has the right to this land and that land serves any purpose anymore because that part of the world has gone through a lot of changes in the last 100+ years alone so its become pointless. There were plenty of Jews there before Israel existed, it is their home and rightly so - equally true for Palestinians IMHO (equality is the path to peace). My feeling is that the best hope for peace is for Israel to move back to the '67 borders, to leave Palestinian territories alone and relinquish any controls over it and let UN/Intl bodies govern Palestine until it can get rid of Hamas and those types and install a more moderate government. Both sides will accept the 67 borders, I think, and I doubt there are many people in Israel that would like their state to take a break from occupying West bank and Gaza + have some peace, rather than continue to expand the settlements just to take it all, no?

"The only reason there are less Israeli civilian casualties than Palestinian, is that Israel protects its civilians with guidance and shelters, and Hamas uses civilians as human shields."
Well, in that case I guess you believe that Palestinian militants have the same level of weaponry as Israel in order to cause a proportionate amount of damage and casualties (i.e. it just so happens that Israel has an Iron Dome and Hamas does not)? How many airfighters, helicopters, tanks, submarines, nukes does Palestinians have? Even skipping that - how many Hamas rockets have explosive/shrapnel/chemical capabilities (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israel-using-flechette-shells-in-gaza https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/12939-israel-uses-illegal-weapons-in-gaza) *cough illegal weaponry*?
When Hamas entered Israel that ONE time recently through a tunnel, did they manage to cause any civilian casualties before getting killed?
If HAmas could kill more Israelis, I'm sure they would, but they arent able to - Israel is one of the largest and strongest armies in the world and quite easily defends itself against Hamas - probably more easily in this conflict than any other - because Hamas has hardly any modern military equipment. Saying that the ONLY reason Hamas rockets are not causing more casualties is because of the Iron dome is giving Hama's weaponry and capability way too much credit.

Maybe your saying more Palestinians die because Israel doesnt use human shields and Hamas does? Most people know Israel will strike at buildings and people it deems to be targets irregardless of their civilian purpose/status  (report posted recently: http://blogs.channel4.com/miller-on-foreign-affairs/gazas-humanitarian-disaster-trapped-gaza/1148 http://blogs.channel4.com/snowblog/gazas-alshifa-hospital/24224 also UN facilities hit: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/16/world/middleeast/16mideast.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0).
If Hamas are doing it to try to deter Israel strikes, its not working. If they are doing it to get propaganda material they are pretty desperate - and in the end, Gaza is a densely populated area so large scale attacks are going to cause large scale civilian casualties (700+ dead today, about 75% civilian according to UN) and if one is really concerned about saving innocent bystanders then one doesnt shoot at hospitals anyway to save oneself and endanger many others at the same time - EVEN IF it was the intent of the bad guy in the first place to use human shields and it is endangering oneself. If Israel knows HAmas will use innocents as shields, then Israel should, IMHO, try to find another solution (in this case ONLY by sending in ground troops to take out rockets and fighters with precision, not dropping massive bombs in residential areas). Pretty normal moral standard, really.
Dont get me wrong, Hamas shouold not be doing this, its illegal and really disgusting. But they are doing it, so what should Israel (assuming it is the moral superior) do differently then? Just continue anyway with bombing...?

In the end there are some reports of Israel committing human shield crimes... so it might not be black and white, as usual.
http://rt.com/news/israel-torture-palestinian-children-004/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israelgaza-conflict-the-myth-of-hamass-human-shield-9619810.html
If I get more time at some point ill post more / better info. but its out there if you look. Assume neither side is innocent and keep seeking the info.

And I'm not taking sides, even though to a proIsrali it must seem so (see last link at bottom). I deeply condone the human rights violations committed on both sides, as does any decent person. I believe equality of treatment and equality of all human rights is the only way to peace, its just that one side has almost all the support and the might of the biggest superpower in history, which means media + economic + military + political support... Palestinians have a tiny fraction of this and it shows.

OK, I'm done posting about this I'm getting tired and run out of time and so im sure no one is even reading it any more, so ill sign off on this (hopefully forever now) - the info is out there people. Do not believe me or anyone else, find it out for yourself. Assume everyone has a bias and cast a wide net when gathering info to form an opinion. No one is telling the full truth or knows everything about what is happening or what has happened. Just keep seeking info from everywhere and think things through to a logical conclusion or as close as one can. I'm certainly learning more every day and I've been following this horrible topic for decades, but as bad as it seems it is a lot better every year in terms of people getting educated and improved media openness.
Sorry for all the long posts in this thread and others, but it deserves more than flipquips. Equality = peace.

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=48330#.U9DDqPmSxUo

Thanks for the pointer, and kudos for using colored coins, but I think I'll hold on to my soul for the time being.

Probably the same reason when countries ran by dictators, they still have elections every year, and win.

I can only guess why they do what they do, or why the people condone them. But power-hungry leaders swaying their population is not unheard of.

WARNING ! MOST ZIONISTS ARE NOT JEWISH ! Most zionist/fascists are in fact, christian rednecks hell bent on self fullfilling their story board/ bible prophecies.

Do you wish to wipe them off the map aswell ?

God's people MY ASS !

If hamas is so bad how come they won the elections with a clear majority? Please answer this if you claim they are against there own state and civilians.

We bought the land. We paid top dollar for worthless swamps, and worked hard to drain them and make them livable. The Arabs were envious of our success, much like a small child who only wants a toy when he sees another one playing with it. They attacked unprovoked, and we retaliated, repeating ad infinitum.

The only reason there are less Israeli civilian casualties than Palestinian, is that Israel protects its civilians with guidance and shelters, and Hamas uses civilians as human shields.

Oh shut up you dumbass. You have no clue what your talking about and stop linking these fake links if you sit on the internet to gather facts I feel sorry for you.






And those who are saying what Hitler did was against humanity well I agree on that but how about israelis torturing muslims like the holocaust https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94PbUEPF7ro

There are thousands of videos I can show of israelis torturing palestinians far worse than what hitler did and you are telling me to calm down. Hell no  Hitler did the right thing with these retards who are killing 300-400 palestinians before breakfast everyday.

You are a dis-service to the anti zionist/fascist movement and an embarrassment to humanity.

Shitler was brought to power by the zionists ! DUMBASS !

http://www.corbettreport.com/who-funded-hitler-questions-for-corbett-008/

http://www.maebrussell.com/About%20Mae%20Brussell/Mind%20of%20Adolf%20Hitler.html

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Shitler and the central banks --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWcTAOjkEik

you have to live in that mind and body, I pity you if you actually believe that.

this opinion aside....



The Palestinians need some humanity and support from the World and this madness from Israel has to end. I think a lot of right-minded Israelis are against the neocon government and apartheid regime but like Americans they have an equally shit government and always do. Makes no difference which way you vote. Obama and Bush, both scum and what they have done.Certainly overseas and worldwide, the overwhelming opinion is against this fascist regime, both America & Israel. thats the reality. It's sad as I personally know hundreds of the coolest people in America.

That's the great irony, the horrific crimes against the Jewish people that were perpetuated in WW2, happened, and is understandable they want to become safe etc. However they have a monstrous government that has tentacles all over the world that creates so much war and death to 'protect' a few.
It's like the abused became the abuser.

either way Palestinians can't win, surrounded by concrete, most land gone, no supplies, no airforce, no military, no army. of course terrorism will flourish in an environment like this, where they can' leave by air or sea, hospitals and schools bombed. even their national football team were arrested illegally by israel, visas snatched, imprisoned. every Palestinian is a terrorist in the eyes of the Israeli government. plus if someone killed just one child in your family like this, what would people do? one family lost 18 children I think other day in Palestine.

anyways, I think what is happening now with mass boycotts all over the world of Israeli products will start to get message across.

It was slow with south africa but got there in end with this process.

Are you serious when you're saying that a certain group among the humans, the jews, needs to be eradicated?

Have you for a second thought of the value of human life? Or is the fact that as long as something does not affect you, it does not matter what so ever?

Isn't the real problem here the warmongering extremists on both sides and not the common man in both groups? I believe most humans wants to live in a safe environment where they can go about their lives without having the fear of being killed.

I think a very simple solution to most questions in life would be: "How would you feel if somebody did it against you?"

So to DonDev: How would you feel if an extermination squad came to your house, and started to kill the people you love. Alternatively, if there exist no people to love, they dragged you away, started to torture you, and remove your nails, then started to chop of bodyparts, and evenutally toss you into an oven, would you prefer and welcome such a treatment? What about being outright shot, or even gassed? Would you enjoy this?

If the answer to this is no, then how come you wish this upon other humans?

I look forward to your replies.

Who knows israel will be wiped off the map before the next conference as thats what they deserve. Palestinians gave a little land to the jews back in the day to live on and those unthankful slaves took over more than half the country. If hitler was alive the world of been such a better place, loved what he did to these jokers back in the day.

This is the only right decision.

this conference is CANCELLED

http://www.coindesk.com/israeli-bitcoin-conference-postponed-due-gaza-crisis/

That would be a dream...carpet bomb all of Gaza once and for all! Maybe Israelis could live without constant terror for a little while.
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Typical: genocide or mass displacement of a poor and occupied people is the solution? Only if you don't see the other side as human.
Yes, Palestinian extremists (and some others) have called for a similar fate for Israel; are you comfortable having the same moral standard as those people?
Not all Palestinians are terrorists, plenty of Pal's suffer at the hands of Hamas etc. Not all Israelis are supporters of the occupation and attacks, plenty protest this. Simplistic arguments and attitudes simply serve to continue spreading ignorance and therefore hate and hostilities. Thank god for the internet breaking down the tradition of ignorance, slowly but surely.
https://twitter.com/Za1d/status/490667619624570880/photo/1

Also, I'd genuinely be interested in seeing some independent reports/evidence that it was Hamas that killed the 3 kids that triggered the latest offensive attacks. I'm honestly not trolling, but when this event is used as a justification I personally would like to see the details of it. It wouldn't be the first time a trigger event was based on lies/misinfo/misinterpretation etc