Issues with signature campaigns (historical).

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on May 18, 2022, 02:33:19 AM

Regarding Gamdom, the reason they stopped the campaign was the recent drop in crypto prices and users were not gambling. It's hard for someone to deposit money and gamble when they lose a huge amount of the value due to the crash. Most get scared and start cashing out.

Well that's typical of retail investors, they buy high and sell low because they get scared when it goes down. In any case, what you tell me about Gamdom seems interesting to me because I imagine that it is something that all gambling houses have experienced, but in the case of Gamdom I guess it will be like a snake biting its own tail: Gamdon has less revenue because of the downturn in the market, so it invests less in advertising, attracts fewer players and has even less revenue.

I suppose that the houses that can withstand the bear markets by continuing to advertise will come out stronger as soon as the market recovers a little.

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Quote from: Poker Player on May 11, 2022, 09:16:53 PM

Quote from: DaveF on May 11, 2022, 12:37:36 PM

Here we are at post #9 and nobody mentioned YoBit?

I had no idea about this case. I've been looking at the links and I understand it was a campaign that attracted a lot of shitposters? Although I see yahoo62278 did what he could to clean it up. BTW I have looked at the cryptotalk forum and it looks dead.

The issue with Yobit was that I didn't control who was able to join. They had it automated and anyone who could read the process was able to join. Sometimes there would be 200 new users a day joining. I went through and banned shitposters as fast as I could.

Quote from: Poker Player on May 17, 2022, 12:43:47 AM

Gandom.com signature campaign has ended. I wonder if this has to do with the current market or just to other factors.

Quote from: Lucius on May 14, 2022, 04:06:34 AM

... it is possible that the number of campaigns will decrease if we enter a serious bear market. If my memory serves me correctly, the lower price of BTC in the past meant less activity on the forum, and advertisers are likely to spend less during that period.

I hope I'm wrong but everything looks like it's not going to pick up much this year, and that we won't be really bullish until after halving in 2024, we'll see how it affects signature campaigns.

Regarding Gamdom, the reason they stopped the campaign was the recent drop in crypto prices and users were not gambling. It's hard for someone to deposit money and gamble when they lose a huge amount of the value due to the crash. Most get scared and start cashing out.

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Quote from: Poker Player on May 17, 2022, 12:43:47 AM

Gandom.com signature campaign has ended. I wonder if this has to do with the current market or just to other factors.

The current bear market might have contributed a little, especially if there is indeed a correlation between the market and the number of running campaigns. But if there is, the relationship is most probably indirect. After all, if the revenue of the casino is significantly growing while the campaign is running, I don’t find a reason why they should stop the campaign, unless perhaps they have somehow established that their casino will continue to thrive even without the campaign, or that the signature campaign is not really a factor in their growth.

Although it is not that interesting to speculate because it is more of the rule than the exemption here. Long-term campaigns are far outnumbered by campaigns running only for a few weeks or months.

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Gandom.com signature campaign has ended. I wonder if this has to do with the current market or just to other factors.

Quote from: Lucius on May 14, 2022, 04:06:34 AM

... it is possible that the number of campaigns will decrease if we enter a serious bear market. If my memory serves me correctly, the lower price of BTC in the past meant less activity on the forum, and advertisers are likely to spend less during that period.

I hope I'm wrong but everything looks like it's not going to pick up much this year, and that we won't be really bullish until after halving in 2024, we'll see how it affects signature campaigns.

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When we talk about the signature campaign, I would add one of the bigger fails.

I can't say I'm sorry for them
P2PB2B Signature Campaign. Weekly Rewards in ETH for about 10 days, they did not have a single valid campaign application if anyone even applied, he withdrew very quickly from this campaign.

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Quote from: DaveF on May 14, 2022, 07:06:21 AM

Did onecoin or Bitconnect ever have a campaign? I don't remember.

Bitconnect has a short Signature & Avatar Campaign^[1] run by @Edwardard^[2]
I also think that the campaign has been resumed by aTriz, but I have not found anything to prove that.
In general, it seems that they did not continue to advertise here much, and there was no problem with the payments.

[1] https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitconnect-coin-signature-avatar-campaign-earn-upto-00011-btcpost-ended-1692930
[2] https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/edwardard-710241

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Quote from: Lucius on May 14, 2022, 04:06:34 AM

Quote from: Poker Player on May 13, 2022, 09:40:19 PM

With the recent downturn in the market I was wondering if this is going to affect signature campaigns. The logical thing would be yes, because if there is less money circulating, less money in Bitcoin, I guess it is logical that companies that can advertise here earn less money and therefore have less to invest.

I don't know if those of you who have been around for years remember if bear markets have affected signature campaigns, with fewer on offer, fewer that people can apply for.

I do not believe that the current situation will affect pay rates too much because they are fixed at $ anyway, but it is possible that the number of campaigns will decrease if we enter a serious bear market. If my memory serves me correctly, the lower price of BTC in the past meant less activity on the forum, and advertisers are likely to spend less during that period.

Still, I think there will always be enough sig campaigns that can be filled with quality posters that aren't too many anyway.

Interesting thought / counterpoint to that would be that the people who are still here would be the serious BTC & crypto people so if you do adverse you are getting a smaller number of people but a more crypto dedicated group.

Lets see what happens 1st with the market.

Did onecoin or Bitconnect ever have a campaign? I don't remember.

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Quote from: Poker Player on May 13, 2022, 09:40:19 PM

With the recent downturn in the market I was wondering if this is going to affect signature campaigns. The logical thing would be yes, because if there is less money circulating, less money in Bitcoin, I guess it is logical that companies that can advertise here earn less money and therefore have less to invest.

I don't know if those of you who have been around for years remember if bear markets have affected signature campaigns, with fewer on offer, fewer that people can apply for.

I do not believe that the current situation will affect pay rates too much because they are fixed at $ anyway, but it is possible that the number of campaigns will decrease if we enter a serious bear market. If my memory serves me correctly, the lower price of BTC in the past meant less activity on the forum, and advertisers are likely to spend less during that period.

Still, I think there will always be enough sig campaigns that can be filled with quality posters that aren't too many anyway.

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Don't really follow so not super familiar, but I do recall the adkinsbets campaign which ran for a week but actually resulted in weeks if not months of follow-on skullduggery of alts just making their rounds everywhere. Don't know the details.

But surely altcoin/ico/bounty type campaigns from 2017/18 era is worth mentioning? No quality control, no alt account checks, so people were paid in hundreds and thousands of worthless shitcoins that somehow could end up earning people tens of thousands of dollars when dumping was still possible. It was, to me, specifically this passage of signature campaigns that led to the massive forum clean up and merit system.

Sadly, I can still remember threads were people were just posting dumps of bot Tweets daily, "amazing project" "I will invest" posts etc. to get their "stakes".

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With the recent downturn in the market I was wondering if this is going to affect signature campaigns. The logical thing would be yes, because if there is less money circulating, less money in Bitcoin, I guess it is logical that companies that can advertise here earn less money and therefore have less to invest.

I don't know if those of you who have been around for years remember if bear markets have affected signature campaigns, with fewer on offer, fewer that people can apply for.

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Quote from: DaveF on May 11, 2022, 12:37:36 PM

Here we are at post #9 and nobody mentioned YoShit?

Maybe because no one wanted to give them free advertising Wink

Although it may sound strange, I remember having my first pay signature campaign with that company, but that was back in the days when they didn't have a completely ruined reputation. Although a campaign that did not have a manager and no quality control does not sound at all normal nowadays, then some sig campaigns were literally run by bots.

The amount of spam that was burying the forum at the time was incredible, until some influential members intervened and brought order to all this chaos.

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Quote from: Poker Player on May 11, 2022, 09:16:53 PM

Quote from: DaveF on May 11, 2022, 12:37:36 PM

Here we are at post #9 and nobody mentioned YoBit?

I had no idea about this case. I've been looking at the links and I understand it was a campaign that attracted a lot of shitposters? Although I see yahoo62278 did what he could to clean it up. BTW I have looked at the cryptotalk forum and it looks dead.

Not a lot of shitposters ALL the shitposters. And a few regular users who were not in a campaign at the time who figured what the heck lets make a buck or thirty.
When it 1st came out there was no modding and the forum exploded. Then YoBit started to not pay some people, I don't know if that was ever resolved. Then yahoo62278 did try to keep it clean but in the end it was still a disaster.

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Quote from: Lucius on May 11, 2022, 10:32:06 AM

Quote from: Poker Player on May 10, 2022, 09:48:32 PM

Do you remember any curious anecdotes about the campaigns?

I remember when DarkStar_ paid campaign participants out of his own pocket because he did not receive funds from CM on time. I’m not sure if something like that ever happened in other campaigns, but it was a move I personally remembered.

In this regard, I recall two similar situations. One was icopress paying a bonus to the participants of the [banned mixer] campaign when he did not know if it was going to continue, which he did not have to do, and in the case of Amechain the same thing: the campaign manager (although he does not express himself very well in English) only received funds for the first week, and paid half of the second week whith what was left.

Although in these two cases they did not literally take money out of their own pockets, as it was a remnant of the campaign, they acted in favor of signature campaign participants.

Quote from: DaveF on May 11, 2022, 12:37:36 PM

Here we are at post #9 and nobody mentioned YoBit?

I had no idea about this case. I've been looking at the links and I understand it was a campaign that attracted a lot of shitposters? Although I see yahoo62278 did what he could to clean it up. BTW I have looked at the cryptotalk forum and it looks dead.

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Here we are at post #9 and nobody mentioned YoBit?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/yobitcryptotalk-signature-campaign-participants-5188149
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/list-of-banned-participants-in-the-cryptotalk-campaign-5188200

If you don't remember the drama do a bit of searching. I can link to more posts but I think those 2 links cover most of it.
Makes you wonder if it was worth it to them to do it or of there was another reason?

-Dave

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Quote from: Poker Player on May 10, 2022, 09:48:32 PM

Do you remember any curious anecdotes about the campaigns?

I remember when DarkStar_ paid campaign participants out of his own pocket because he did not receive funds from CM on time. I’m not sure if something like that ever happened in other campaigns, but it was a move I personally remembered.

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I remember one of the signature campaigns being held up because the domain was seized by police for washing $200 million^[1][2][3].
You will also find many similar stories if we are talking about signature campaigns in altcoins.
Perhaps the best list is Did the signature campaigns continue after problems were announced? Did it continue after that?

[1] Bestmixer seized by police for washing $200 million in tainted
[2] Multi-million euro cryptocurrency laundering service Bestmixer

[3] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5125389.300

Quote from: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5125389.300

This Campaign has been cancelled effective immediately. I will look at sending out final payouts today but as of now this campaign no longer operates and you can remove your sig/avatar.

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Quote from: Bttzed03 on May 10, 2022, 10:33:50 PM

I'm not suprised with Amechain because this is actually an old project that's trying to rebrand with the new marketing campaign. It was Amepay before and they also had issues with payments in their past bounty campaigns.

Quote from: Poker Player on May 10, 2022, 09:48:32 PM

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Do you remember any curious anecdotes about the campaigns?

Adkinsbet's DDos Attack. Campaign only lasted one week and months afterwards, they stopped their operation but not without scam accusations.

I remember this issue before and some people discuss about how their bounty campaigns run also how stressful for participants to get their bounty campaign payments, Guess they do it again and its really hard to trust now how their project runs. Maybe their existing investors or holders should start to doubt since if they can fool people by not paying a small amount of money for sure they can also do the same with large amount especially if we talk about millions of dollars.

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1xBit had several different signature campaigns with different managers and what I remember is one of their campaigns have a issues with the manager where the campaign manager ran away with money for participant payments,

Quote from: 1xbit_official on January 11, 2022, 10:26:43 AM

Hello everyone,
so far the payment has been sent to our manager @LimLims, here is an ID: https://www.blockchain.com/en/btc/address/bc1qwmgy4k4r6ma7dwf4d5l8und7fwk4xee50l4smr
This is a 2-week payment + manager fee, which should be delivered to participants wallets to the moment.
We are waiting for actions from his side, but since now this campaign will be paused for a few days until we sort things out.

it seems that they don't want their reputation more devastated by still paying participants in this campaign.

Quote from: 1xbit_official on January 13, 2022, 02:09:57 AM

Hello guys,
we will re-send the payment to those who participated in weeks 2-3 of the Christmas campaign, avoiding LimLims services.
Sorry for the troubles caused.
Christmas campaign is no longer running, yet we can't close the topic since it's not made by us.

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Quote from: Poker Player on May 10, 2022, 09:48:32 PM

These are the most recent that I can remember.

I also still remember about the campaign that failed to pay its participants for the second week, I don't know exactly whether it's been paid now or not because Hhampuz didn't provide more information in the campaign thread.

[HOLD] Rolletto.com | Signature Campaign | Sr. Members+ ~ Up to $70/Week

Quote from: Hhampuz on January 28, 2022, 11:05:35 AM

I am yet to be sent the payment for Round 2 of this campaign, so for now consider this campaign to be on HOLD until further notice.

I'm confident they will send the budget over but it may be next week so for now, please remove your Signature and Avatars.

Quote from: Hhampuz on February 05, 2022, 02:08:29 PM

My contact on telegram has still replied as of a few days ago saying he'll speed up the process of getting the budget sent but.. It's getting to that point where I can no longer recommend anyone to play at Rolletto if they struggle to pay this $1200 invoice. I'll give him one final bump on telegram and if nothing comes of it before Monday ends I'll also launch a thread in Scam Accusations I suppose, unfortunately.

Sorry that I do not have better news to bring.

However, it seems that the payment has not been made by the team and Hhampuz has not been able to send payments to all campaign participants.

Quote from: Botnake on March 27, 2022, 08:25:43 AM

Same here, I was part of this campaign and I don't mind if I'm not getting paid since Hhampuz himself has not been paid for running this campaign too. I'm not saying he has no responsibility or whatsoever because he stated before that he would pay from his own wallet if Rolletto will not send the budget for the pending week.

Quote from: Hhampuz on February 05, 2022, 06:38:38 PM

I also am not too worried about this particular campaign as if they aren't going to pay up I'll just pay it out of pocket, as I have done in the past.

However, I would be happy to help him to lessen the burden and would not claim anymore my pay if he decides to send the payment to the participants.

Quote from: Poker Player on May 10, 2022, 09:48:32 PM

Do you remember any curious anecdotes about the campaigns?

I'm not sure what the real story behind it all is, but the lack of campaign funds and a few other things made some of them unsustainable. The whole story maybe we can say that the team may still not be serious enough to develop their site for various reasons, that makes sense and might just be abandoned.

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I don't know if these issues are worth commenting on. For as long as the issues are resolved relatively quickly and fairly and in favor of those people who exerted effort in promoting certain brands, they could easily be shelved and forgotten.

As in all facets of life, it is inevitable that different issues with different gravity arise in signature campaigns. For example, just recently we have these:

Quote from: DarkStar_ on May 01, 2022, 12:34:14 AM

* I accidentally messed up and used last week's exchange rate of $39790 instead of the current exchange rate of $38100, so people's payments will be ~4.4% less than what they should be. I will add this difference to next week's payment, as the amounts are fairly small. I apologize for the inconvenience.

Quote from: Best_Change on April 28, 2022, 01:20:10 AM

Rules update as of April 28, 2022:[/b]

We recommend avoiding topics with sensitive political agenda, in particular, the situation surrounding Russia and Ukraine these days. Since we, as a business, take up a neutral status, when a user publicly supports this or that position on the forum, it can be a reason for suspension of cooperation. We understand the desire of many not to stand aside and actively participate in discussions, but, unfortunately, due to possible false associations of the signature campaign participants with our brand, we ask such users to suspend collaboration with us for the time of active participation in these discussions. We would be happy to resume collaboration when you decide to retract your political statements.

Quote from: Best_Change on May 06, 2022, 05:18:14 AM

No open slots, no. We selected the ones from our pool of applicants.

And probably there were also issues regarding signature payments sent in gambling site accounts which require certain fees upon withdrawal. Other than this, there were probably issues in terms of how participants are chosen, how campaign rules are suddenly changed, how payment funds are not escrowed, and so on and so forth. There are simply tons of them.

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