Topic: It ain't meant to be easy - page 7. (Read 2136 times)

I believe that I get your point, yet I am not sure if I agree with you completely because there can be ways in which we set up our goals in ways that are easier to achieve and some aspects might be harder to achieve, and merely because on some days we might achieve our goals easily and we will be able to take the day off or relax does not necessarily mean that we have not been sufficiently ambitious in the ways that we set our goals.

It seems by nature there are going to be more difficult aspects within our goals, and I don't necessarily disagree with you that if the rewards come for free, then we might not have had set our goals in a challenging enough way.. and sometimes if we were to go through several years of NOT having challenging goals and not having any hurdles to get over, then we might find that we lost some opportunities to really reach some of our potentials, because some opportunties or abilities to go down certain paths will close if we are not in the right place at the right time in our live's journey.... so there are some needs to prepare in advance and sometimes tradeoffs that might not be apparent at the earlier points in time.

I do actually believe that it is a better kind of practice to NOT set goals that are overly difficult to achieve, because there are some benefits in achieving goals along the way to paths of BIGGER goals.. but it could be that we are on a similar page that it is good to have some higher goals that need to be sufficiently challenging, and maybe even some realization that not all goals will be achieved.. even though surely there are some people who do proclaim that they had met all of their goals in life - which surely could be the case for some people as well.. at least in the sense that there might be some goals that are considered important and central and other goals that might be considered bonus goals that may or may not need to be achieved. 


I guess I had been quibbling with some of the points that seem to emphasize too much on planning, and there are values in action...

And surely there can be levels in regards to how much anyone might be acting upon their plan.. and let's say that someone keeps saying that s/he is going to build a house that has certain qualities, and maybe s/he has been talking about that plan for years, but never taking any actual actions, and so some of the actions could merely be to earn money from work, but then also there might need to be some other actions that go into identifying more specifics about the plan in regards to how much money is needed, how much money is already available and how to fill the gap... and then there might be some questions regarding who is going to do the labor, so there could be some actions that are being taken along the way, and maybe even getting up to a certain amount of money in the bank might be needed before even going through with the next steps that involve getting into specifics about identifying location and taking the further steps... but if someone needs $100k in the bank (or some quasi-liquid form) before s/he is able to start to get into the second planning step, and if s/he ONLY has $5k to $10k saved up, and many years have passed with the amount not getting even past $10k, there might be questions regarding the extent to which actions upon his/her plans are sufficiently lined up or even prioritized enough in order to be able to get through the first step of raising the early money which has to be achieved prior to going into the next stage of the journey.

So I think that I am saying that the planning and the acting go back and forth, and there are needs for both and needs to be in a kind of complementary stage - including that sometimes planning can become extensive, but it might not make sense without starting to take some actions that allow getting to the next stages... and even the acting might perhaps inform the further planning.. we learn how to make our plans better by coupling them with ongong appropriate actions.

Ditching a plan to follow alternative course of action could as well be part of planning. Planning entails steps to follow to achieve a target and it also put into consideration,  some things that must remain a constant. When these constants are not met, there is always alternative course of action. If you have been able to know about programming, there is something called conditional statement which specify what should be done if certain conditions are met... this is how planning is done.

There are always unforseen circumstances in life, so when you plan and in the course of implementation,  you find alternative course that is better, you have to adjust... planning is not an oath so you can't be so rigid with your plans when you have find better alternatives.  We all aspires for the best so "when that which is perfect is come, that which is in part is done away with"

There is barely any lesson in one having to archive a goal. Let’s say, you had a goal of getting a $100 in a day and out of the blue, you had someone hand you a $100. You might have archived your goal in that day but, there isn’t any process yo it and as such, no lesson out of it other than, you having a thought and you archived. Arguably, one might say, the process to archiving starts with a thought but, is that all about it? Of course not.

When one gets to set a goal, you process means or steps that you could take to archive that goal, go through those steps, the huddles that would play in to thwart the process and how you handled them, there you would find life’s lesson to not just handling the process to archiving your aims and goals but, how you get to manage and build relationships with the people you meet on the way.

The lesson to arching a goal always resides on the path, the process.

Am trying to correlate how fear and failing yo plan really fit in. Because, I think it ought to be the other way around where, the fear of failure would motivate you to make proper plans. Don’t know if you get what am saying but, you might just help me out yo understand what your implying.

Acting as a means of devising and solidifying a plan,
That’s in a way to agree to a notion that, there must be a plan in sight first that acting could solidify! Wouldn’t that be the right thing? Because, you can’t just have a goal and start acting with the hope of making errors and then, you start reviewing/devising a plan from that. A plan would have to be in place first I think.

Different people, different ways, and different perspectives. Some individuals would rather find the easiest way to perform a task that will lead them closer or directly to their goal while others will grit through the difficult task to reach the same thing. Whichever we clasify as we all share the same drive to reach a goal we have set for ourselves, we just have different takes on various things that leads to different decisions and actions.

Difficulty and ease always go hand in hand in all things, so that the assessment of the ease and difficulty of a job is only known when we have done it in our own way. Because sometimes the method taken by other people can also be easier than the method we do in a job that is no different, so difficulties are not only formed from our thoughts. But it is also formed from the way we take things in order to get maximum results without shifting from the basic goals that we have previously thought about for ourselves.

However, some people actually don't want to try doing something that they consider difficult, but maybe they don't know where to start, so up to now there are still many people who prefer to look for other, easier paths because maybe they know where to start. Even though difficulties are only visible when someone has not tried it, but when they have tried it and let's say they still haven't succeeded, someone will definitely look for solutions to solve the problems they face in order to overcome the obstacles that are in front of them.

The ideas around the journey and the goal are good ones, because ultimately there are going to be a lot of points in life in which we set goals and then we change the goals and sometimes we completely fail in our working towards filling the goals, and we likely even learn along the way, that we likely need to have a bunch of intermediary goals that we need to accomplish before reaching the larger goals, and some of the goals are going to be much easier to achieve, and sometimes we will need to abandon certain paths or even tweak some of the goals along the way.

Failure is inevitable, and sometimes we might be able to frame the failure as success because of what we learned from the failure.. but then again if we are spinning too much, sometimes people will consider us as a phony and we do sometimes need to take responsibility and even talk about some of our failures in order to show parts of our character and to show what kinds of trade offs we sometimes are willing to make.


If we try to predict a kind of trajectory regarding the future, we need to prepare for a variety of possibilities, and that will truly tend to be more than just two directions that something could go.  So then we have to question ourselves about how much our preparations are allowing us to be prepared for a variety of directions.. and at what points are we going to take some kind of actions or otherwise just to continue to ride through our previous commitment.

Edit:  I had been thinking about this point over the last 12 hours or so, and it seems that some kind of an example might be helpful.

Let's say that a person makes a plan that s/he is going to walk across Europe and Asia to start out in London and going to end in Tokyo.. and that tentatively, s/he believes that it is going to take 4-6 years to accomplish.. So s/he has certain ideas regarding modes of transportation, has some budgetary ideas and has even plotted out stops along the way and has given some timelines staying in each place, so the overall goal is defined generally with some specifics, but it is also likely that there are going to be tweaks of the plans along the way that would change some of the stops, some of the timeline, some of the budgeting and perhaps even change some of the modes of transportation.

Maybe this is not the greatest of analogies, because if we go back to the idea of having a lifetime investing goal that might have objectives to build wealth and/or to become richer with the passage of time so that at some point in life there is no longer any need to work and that the wealth that was built will support the later lifestyle, and the person can live off of the fruits of his/her earlier labor, then there would be hopes and expectations that wealth is building along the way, even if there might be periods of set-backs and even mistakes that are so great that trajectories are changed (and sometimes the mistakes or the change of trajectories might not be realize until several years after the earlier incidents had occurred to realize that the path (and maybe even the expected destination might need to end up getting changed) had been changed by the earlier events).


I find your gobbledy-gook talk about crypto to be somewhat meaningless.  Now if we are talking about bitcoin, then likely we should not be fucking around too much with trading, but we can figure out various BTC accumulation strategies to just continue to build our bitcoin holdings.  

When you are talking about getting in and out and taking profits, then sure you could be taking profits in dollars or you could be taking profits in bitcoin... and anyhow it would likely be a bit better to clarify what you are talking about when you refer to general ideas about crypto because that does not make very much sense outside of distinguishing bitcoin from shitcoins, and perhaps clarifying that your strategy for bitcoin should be different from getting in and out of various shitcoins.. including that maybe you might even be attempting to analyze whether or not your shitcoin is going to go up or down relative to what bitcoin is doing.. but then hey, when members speak in vagueness in regards to throwing around the term crypto, it tends to cause me a considerable amount of confusion regarding that vague way of expressing themselves, even if they might have some decent strategies of getting in and out of various shitcoins.. but then how are you measuring progress.. in dollars (that seems lame) or in bitcoin (that is better, but why didn't you specify that as part of what you are doing?  rather than using vagueness in your description?).


I am a bit bothered when I see people placing too much emphasis on planning, and surely there needs to be some planning for any action that is taken, but some of the best ways of learning is to start to act and then to learn from the action and to tweak the plans based on what is learned from the actions.  I understand that many times the foundational plans need to be in place prior to action, but there are a lot of places where action helps to solidify the plan.


DCA into bitcoin is one of those places where you can start to act almost right away.. because it does not take a lot to get started.  

On the other hand getting into a romantic relation, starting a business or buying a house. those might need greater levels of planning, but one of the greatest things about DCA'ing into bitcoin is that you can get started right away with ONLY $1  per day and then figure out the details as you go.... Of course, if you want to lump sum invest into bitcoin, and to take out debt and employ sophisticated financial tools (practices), then you likely need more planning.

Because not everything that is planned will be a good result, at least with a lot of plans can determine which ones will work including those who choose those that are not high risk, I know most people don't want to get out of their comfort zone because it is a protection for them to cover their needs so they will continue to be defended.
Whatever plan we are talking about there is business, investment and trading that must be tried and faced with the problem of the risk of losing it.

For those who have a strong mentality and are not easily discouraged they will overcome the obstacles including the losses faced in trading at the beginning, after starting a long enough journey he will definitely find where he is wrong and will correct it in order to produce long-term results, this includes business, investment and trading.

In the world of films and media success stories, it's nice to show the path to success as a series of funny video inserts to funny music. They show that all this is easy and fun, knowledge seems to get into your head by itself and all solutions are successful and accurate. But in fact, the skill is developed in silence. In a boring, heavy and cheerless silence, in which you need to think, establish logical relationships, draw conclusions and write down. I have three qualifications and this path to knowledge and mastery is always as hard and dreary as I described - in any case. And here, on bitcointalk, the path to knowledge and rank advancement is just as difficult. And the secret of success is simple - you need to love what you do and communicate on topics that interest you.

As a broke individual, I sometimes ask myself why they are so lucky and I am not? I realize that behind the luck or success I saw was a smart ways they've created or polished through hardships and not just wish or long for it. I have tried to be lucky way back in the last quarter of 2017 here on this forum but that luck has burst like a bubble. Bottom line is to find luck is to make a smart move.

I agree, but sometimes we tend to overthink more if we do that. We should learn to think of it very clearly and when we see that there is no wrong with it then we should settle and not think to it unendlessly because we will only be disappointed so for example in trading when the coin or token we invest with goes down we need to accept it , it is hard to have a regret in trading and all.

well, actually it will look easy if we do it even if it looks difficult. Actually what makes us difficult is only our thoughts. if we try to do it, even if it is really difficult we have tried our best. it is better than not doing it at all

There are plans that can't be followed and the best result comes out with the unplanned ones. But sure being well prepared and planned is going to give you t he upperhand for the better results and greater success.

Yes, DCA is a clear planning on how much and when you're going to buy bitcoin. Those that are not good in planning can just follow the steps of DCAing or any other strategies that they find from other successful investors. There's nothing wrong to copy the plans of others as long as it is not going to harm you or them. And basically in other ventures like in business, you can't proceed without doing such.

In this life, then it would really be a never ending kind of learning since each one of us doesnt really know about everything on which we would really be needing to adjust if its needed because life is really that full of

trials and error on which it would really be just that normal that you should really be needing to adjust if ever there would really be problems that lies ahead or you would really be able to experience.
You wont really be able to achieve something if you wont really be that trying to set your goals or targets on which you dont really have that kind of direction which i would say that its a must thing to have in life
for you to be able to make that kind of achievement and would really be that in result with your hard work.

Without hardwork then everything would really be just remaining just as a dream on which if you are really that not making any move then you wont really be able to see progress
which is something that we dont really that like.

Either they have no brain or if have then they will not like to use it because everyone who is trying to obtain profit will definitely use all energy in order to search about the solution of their mistakes.

How one can be successful if he Don't try again and again? Do you think that you will get the reward in a single try and if you don't get then all your dreams will remain dreams? No

A baby when start walking then he fell down and again he start walking but never stop to continue walk because he know that one day his steps will become better so same is with all your efforts which should not be end up.

Planning too much without doing anything is of course a very detrimental thing for everyone. If we have planned something, of course we have to carry out the plan so that we can know what the results of our planning will be. If our plan fails, of course we can fix it if we never try our plan then we will not be able to know the results of what we have planned.
There are many things that we have to control in trading. By continuing to learn from those who are experienced and continuing to correct mistakes, of course we will achieve our goal, namely getting good profits in trading.

I am struggling to understand when a plan is said to be too much because the last time I checked, planning is actually the absence of irrational decision and action. I think what you might be mistaken for planning might actually be fear. I know a lot of people who are too afraid of making mistakes, hence, they end up developing fear at any slightest opportunity. I have worked with few of them and they always fail their medical test due to high blood pressure.

I am yet to see what can beat planning because every great success depends on it. Even the popular DCA that  I have recently starting using in buying Bitcoin is a clear case of planning. Planning can never be too much....

In this life, we came to learn, and we will always learn from our mistakes if we don't take a chance, sometimes we can't be able to achieve our goals. It was said that "no pain, no gain," and everything has a test so there's no need to give up. However, the majority of people won't give that thing a trial anymore if they get scammed for the first time. They will realize that if they try it again, they will be scam again.




That's just the way it is; some people never learn from their mistakes; when they make small mistakes in life, they all assume that's the end of it and begin giving up, which is not the best course of action; if we fail in this life, we should keep trying; one day, we'll succeed in achieving whatever it is that we're pursuing; whether we fail, give up, or succeed in this life, we're all responsible for it; we can't just say that we never ready to keep on pushing.

Yes and indeed learning will always be a good thing to achieve certain goals. You are right, because studying a mistake by doing research to find the point of error will be a great alternative to finding solutions and making progress. I think obviously once we know about it we can't fall into the same hole, I mean if you've found the bright spot of the mistake and learned from it then it's unlikely that you'll make the same mistake next time. But yes I think it depends on the person, and maybe it's only for certain people, I mean only some of them are willing to correct their mistakes, it's not uncommon for some of them to just spin around in the same conditions with the same mistakes too. So the point is if you want to be a little bit more advanced then keep learning, like you said above never give up, do research for your mistakes. If you can do it then surely the next one will be better.

Too many plans and considerations in assessing risks will give rise to fear and doubt in yourself, which makes you a person who is afraid to take action or take risks, but I think this depends on age and condition, if someone is single, If he has'nt burdens and other things that bind him not to suffer the slightest loss, then don't think too much and plan too much. It's a different story with people who have dependents and so on, this can be applied to various aspects such as investment, study, business and so on.

The most expensive thing about a mistake is that you know the mistake and fix it, so you will have the knowledge not to repeat the same mistake, it will make you better if you continue to correct every mistake, and keep doing it without ever giving up and you will definitely get good results. expected.

Plans for how to mitigate risk and manage problems can be a good thing. But too much planning is not necessary for everyone to manage things. The reason why people don't follow difficult things is because they don't want to come out of their comfort zones. But we should try to and face the problems and solve them. This comes in every aspect of life including bitcoin, investments and career.

In trading, indicators and all may show bad outcome, trading is difficult but trust in your abilities and continue to be in the game without being emotional. If you keep correcting your mistakes and playing it safe you will profit in the long run.