It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi.

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Quote from: BitcoinInReview on November 28, 2019, 10:18:31 AM

It is impossible to prove that somebody is Satoshi.

Quote from: kro55 on November 27, 2019, 01:52:10 PM

I firmly believe that even if real satoshi turned up one day, people will also declare him Faketoshi.

Quote from: kro55 on November 27, 2019, 01:52:10 PM

This is so true.

Even if Satoshi presents his privatekeys, signs messages, shows his passwords, e-mail account accesses... it could be someone else who has all these privatekeys, passwords, accesses now.
He would only prove the ownership of these but it is impossible for somebody to prove that he is Satoshi.

But at least he has those things that others who claim they are Satoshi Nakamoto don't have, and that's a good start and from there we can validate him if he is the real Satoshi Nakamoto our old members and experts here knows many things about the real Satoshi so they can ask questions and get hints if he is the real one.

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Quote from: BitcoinInReview on November 28, 2019, 10:18:31 AM

It is impossible to prove that somebody is Satoshi.

I'm just kiddin'

OP is the real Satoshi. He is informing us that it is impossible to prove that somebody else is Satoshi.

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Quote from: Astvile on December 01, 2019, 12:47:10 AM

It's not impossible to prove that he is indeed the real Satoshi Nakamoto. There is a ton of evidence, valid evidence that will prove he is the real Satoshi Nakamoto. Proving that he can access the wallet which Nakamoto left untouched with tons of bitcoin is strong evidence and if this happen there is no questioning on his identity if he will be able to login to that wallet.

If the person or the group who has access to that or those wallets plan on revealing him/her/themselves, we probably should've know by now. The only thing we'll be able to know is if they or he's willing to let us know. I really think Satoshi is just an avatar and who knows if the one behind him has plans of even going outside. We probably won't believe him if someone claims that even if he has access to the wallet addresses.

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It's not impossible to prove that he is indeed the real Satoshi Nakamoto. There is a ton of evidence, valid evidence that will prove he is the real Satoshi Nakamoto. Proving that he can access the wallet which Nakamoto left untouched with tons of bitcoin is strong evidence and if this happen there is no questioning on his identity if he will be able to login to that wallet.

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Quote from: BitcoinInReview on November 28, 2019, 10:18:31 AM

It is impossible to prove that somebody is Satoshi.

Quote from: kro55 on November 27, 2019, 01:52:10 PM

I firmly believe that even if real satoshi turned up one day, people will also declare him Faketoshi.

Quote from: kro55 on November 27, 2019, 01:52:10 PM

This is so true.

Even if Satoshi presents his privatekeys, signs messages, shows his passwords, e-mail account accesses... it could be someone else who has all these privatekeys, passwords, accesses now.
He would only prove the ownership of these but it is impossible for somebody to prove that he is Satoshi.

I agree i think proving that you are Satoshi was almost impossible especially today,
Everybody who will claim that they are Satoshi Nakamoto would just end up becoming a faker one, There is already no evidence, in my opinion, to claim that you are Satoshi.

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Quote from: BitcoinInReview on November 28, 2019, 10:18:31 AM

Even if Satoshi presents his privatekeys, signs messages, shows his passwords, e-mail account accesses... it could be someone else who has all these privatekeys, passwords, accesses now.
He would only prove the ownership of these but it is impossible for somebody to prove that he is Satoshi.

Demonstrating the ownership of private keys is a very strong start - there are some possibilities how other people could have obtained them, but still it's the strongest proof. After that, we can look at what kind of a person the alleged Satoshi is - do they have some background in cryptography and programming, were they active in the Cypherpunk community and other similar movements, do they generally demonstrate a very strong understanding of Bitcoin and cryptography?

These things are very important too, if Craig Wright showed a valid Satoshi's signature tomorrow, I still wouldn't believe him and would think that he somehow stolen Satoshi's keys, because CSW consistently demonstrated that he's not a cypherpunk and just a conman.

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Quote from: achach on November 28, 2019, 10:36:21 AM

It is quite possible to prove, but it is unlikely that anyone will be able to do it. Grin

"I hope" Satoshi died and i have knowledge pointing to that conclusion (in terms of Bitcoin well beign of course, not human tragedy)
It would only harm Bitcoin if he would reveal himself. Bitcoin is safe because there is no CEO. It is possible to prove for real Satoshi that he is Satoshi.

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Actually I am very surprised, how important is it that we know Satoshi's true identity?
let it be a secret, as long as we can still take advantage of this opportunity why do we have to think about other things that are full of manipulative?

Quote from: jostorres on November 30, 2019, 11:09:41 AM

Anyone that has the emails, passwords and private keys is Satoshi Nakamoto, no doubt.
Do you think that Satoshi would be stupid enough to give out his private keys to anyone just like that? I don't think so.

Only him has access to all that and no one else, unless he's truly dead like some people are claiming he is and maybe before he died he handed everything over to his family or something like that, then they might show up one day and prove it. And if that's the story, they wouldn't say they are Satoshi, would say that they are his family and also prove where he is and nothing else. If you check other people that have claimed to be Satoshi, none of them had the private keys and they had nothing at all to prove that they are Satoshi Nakamoto.

A very reasonable argument. With all the extraordinary things that he has made, is it possible that security-related matters just become a password that can be easily owned by others?
Maybe they just like looking for sensations because without proof everything will just be bullshit

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Anyone that has the emails, passwords and private keys is Satoshi Nakamoto, no doubt.
Do you think that Satoshi would be stupid enough to give out his private keys to anyone just like that? I don't think so.

Only him has access to all that and no one else, unless he's truly dead like some people are claiming he is and maybe before he died he handed everything over to his family or something like that, then they might show up one day and prove it. And if that's the story, they wouldn't say they are Satoshi, would say that they are his family and also prove where he is and nothing else. If you check other people that have claimed to be Satoshi, none of them had the private keys and they had nothing at all to prove that they are Satoshi Nakamoto.

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Quote from: Gotumoot on November 30, 2019, 09:44:17 AM

even here in Bitcointalk I will believe also if satoshi open her account again and post that he are alive.

her ? you said no one know's who is satoshi so its gender was also unkown for now . satoshi sounds like a male person but who knows what if its only a nickname ? if he open his account here and post something , that will be questionable and people will not easily believe if its the real satoshi that controls the account . who knows what if its a hacker that hack its account and use it to gain advantage like ask for donation and create fuds , stuff like that .

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Quote from: BitcoinInReview on November 28, 2019, 10:18:31 AM

It is impossible to prove that somebody is Satoshi.

Quote from: kro55 on November 27, 2019, 01:52:10 PM

I firmly believe that even if real satoshi turned up one day, people will also declare him Faketoshi.

Quote from: kro55 on November 27, 2019, 01:52:10 PM

This is so true.

Even if Satoshi presents his privatekeys, signs messages, shows his passwords, e-mail account accesses... it could be someone else who has all these privatekeys, passwords, accesses now.
He would only prove the ownership of these but it is impossible for somebody to prove that he is Satoshi.

To those who do not trust the code. it is really impossible to prove that he is Satoshi because you already deny any possible proof that a person is the real one. Ownership of the address and the Bitcoin in it is proven by the private key so is the identity behind that wallet address owner. So not believing anyone who can move the Bitcoin on Satoshi address being the Satoshi himself is the same as saying Satoshi never existed.

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Quote from: BitcoinInReview on November 28, 2019, 10:18:31 AM

Even if Satoshi presents his privatekeys, signs messages, shows his passwords, e-mail account accesses... it could be someone else who has all these privatekeys, passwords, accesses now.

Not true. A real investigator would be able to piece together other evidence which could prove or disprove that person's assertion that he's Satoshi. I have no doubt that there could be proof enough to satisfy most people, tho I'm sure there would be conspiracy theories in any case. It's *not* impossible.

Quote from: Gotumoot on November 30, 2019, 09:44:17 AM

But if satoshi sign message in her bitcoin wallet

I'm fairly certain that Satoshi isn't a woman. That would be quite a story if that were the case, but I'm thinking if Satoshi is really a single person, he's a male.

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No one knows who is Satoshi Nakamoto so for me that is impossible to prove if someone pretend to be the true satoshi nakamoto. But if satoshi sign message in her bitcoin wallet I think many people will believe in this because that is the only way to prove that satoshi is alive. Because wallet are hard to crack thats why I will believe if satoshi create signature on their wallet. And even here in Bitcointalk I will believe also if satoshi open her account again and post that he are alive.

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Quote from: xvids on November 30, 2019, 03:15:43 AM

Quote from: BitcoinInReview on November 28, 2019, 10:18:31 AM

It is impossible to prove that somebody is Satoshi.

Quote from: kro55 on November 27, 2019, 01:52:10 PM

I firmly believe that even if real satoshi turned up one day, people will also declare him Faketoshi.

Quote from: kro55 on November 27, 2019, 01:52:10 PM

This is so true.

Even if Satoshi presents his privatekeys, signs messages, shows his passwords, e-mail account accesses... it could be someone else who has all these privatekeys, passwords, accesses now.
He would only prove the ownership of these but it is impossible for somebody to prove that he is Satoshi.

It is possible all of the proof that he would show is legit so why would we doubt him?
If that person could open up all the old e-mails or Satoshi's account+private keys then why should we doubt him?
But this scenario seem's impossible to happen after all Satoshi vanish wothout a trace so that mean's he doesn't have a plan to reveal his true identity.

that is correct , but op seems keep doubting even with all those legitimate proof.
which means this discussion will never ending lol . too much -if- in his thoughts like :

what if the privkey has changed hands for reasons
what if all those sign messages, email account was hacked etc
what if op has been convinced finally but he got a brain ill that makes all of these discussions useless haha -no offense please- Cheesy

it should not be easy for someone to somehow steal/hack satoshi credentials while satoshi himself invented the world best financial security system called bitcoin. he must have the best way to keep his credentials privkey secured.
this is a perspectives game , for me and for most people around here the privkey and sign message of the genesis block is more than enough. end of story. if you feel still doubtful well good luck.

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The fact that he didn't reveal himself means that he wants to stay anonymous. We really don't want to invade someone's life when we know that he does not want to right? There is no point in knowing who he is. Let's just thank him for making bitcoin and making these things possible. Knowing who he is might not have any positive impact.

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Quote from: BitcoinInReview on November 28, 2019, 10:18:31 AM

It is impossible to prove that somebody is Satoshi.

Quote from: kro55 on November 27, 2019, 01:52:10 PM

I firmly believe that even if real satoshi turned up one day, people will also declare him Faketoshi.

Quote from: kro55 on November 27, 2019, 01:52:10 PM

This is so true.

Even if Satoshi presents his privatekeys, signs messages, shows his passwords, e-mail account accesses... it could be someone else who has all these privatekeys, passwords, accesses now.
He would only prove the ownership of these but it is impossible for somebody to prove that he is Satoshi.

why not possible? I think if Satoshi Nakamoto really came back, maybe he would do something different from what Satoshi is doing now, because I'm very sure if we make something, there will definitely be different methods that other people don't know to prove if it's true we what made it, maybe the real Satoshi Nakamoto would also do such a thing if he wanted to prove it.

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Quote from: BitcoinInReview on November 28, 2019, 10:18:31 AM

It is impossible to prove that somebody is Satoshi.

Quote from: kro55 on November 27, 2019, 01:52:10 PM

I firmly believe that even if real satoshi turned up one day, people will also declare him Faketoshi.

Quote from: kro55 on November 27, 2019, 01:52:10 PM

This is so true.

Even if Satoshi presents his privatekeys, signs messages, shows his passwords, e-mail account accesses... it could be someone else who has all these privatekeys, passwords, accesses now.
He would only prove the ownership of these but it is impossible for somebody to prove that he is Satoshi.

It is possible all of the proof that he would show is legit so why would we doubt him?
If that person could open up all the old e-mails or Satoshi's account+private keys then why should we doubt him?
But this scenario seem's impossible to happen after all Satoshi vanish wothout a trace so that mean's he doesn't have a plan to reveal his true identity.

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Quote from: Murat on November 30, 2019, 02:17:38 AM

of course, it is, how could you find a person who is the real satoshi, I don't think there is no way to discover the real one, it's not possible at all, My query is that if someone claims that he is the one and how could you refuse himself, I think it's not an important thing we are looking for, For me, we should learn what he created and we have to keep it up what he did for us, we have to maintain this forum free from scammers and fake project so that people will get interested in this system, except the mass adoption, this cryptocurrency platform will not sustain for a long time, so make this forum comfortable and reliable for everyone, hopefully, The real Satoshi will uncover himself in the future.

Indeed, we should just accept the fact that Satoshi don't want to reveal himself for unknown reason and we must respect it. Also, we don't have to believe those people who claim themselves as him because they will never be, how can Satoshi reveal himself after all those years without giving enough reasons? if they can't even give a single evidence then don't let yourself be a fan of them because they are just trying to take advantage of Satoshi and you. They just want the attention and popularity and because of that they are getting the benefits that they don't actually deserve, let's just respect his decision and be grateful for what he did and focus on more important things.

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of course, it is, how could you find a person who is the real satoshi, I don't think there is no way to discover the real one, it's not possible at all, My query is that if someone claims that he is the one and how could you refuse himself, I think it's not an important thing we are looking for, For me, we should learn what he created and we have to keep it up what he did for us, we have to maintain this forum free from scammers and fake project so that people will get interested in this system, except the mass adoption, this cryptocurrency platform will not sustain for a long time, so make this forum comfortable and reliable for everyone, hopefully, The real Satoshi will uncover himself in the future.

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Quote from: blogresearcher on November 29, 2019, 10:58:51 AM

Satoshi said his name is Satoshi Nakamoto.

Quote from: enhu on November 29, 2019, 10:29:39 AM

Satoshi said the coins he had mined is like a donation to everyone.

Quote from: threadsupport on October 17, 2019, 11:47:14 AM

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Gavin Andresen started a project to give away free Bitcoins https://freebitcoins.appspot.com/ (no more working) and Satoshi wrote June 2010:
Excellent choice of a first project, nice work. I had planned to do this exact thing if someone else didn't do it https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1620

He waited but thought that someone else will do it. We think that he is waiting that someone moves the early mined coins to show to the Bitcoin community that it's a prize competition and that the private keys are somehow on the blockchain.

'We think that he is waiting that someone moves the early mined coins to show to the Bitcoin community that it's a prize competition and that the private keys are somehow on the blockchain.'
It will be a game changer.

If someone that possibly had got an access to his wallet and tried to dump it, do you thin the exchange will allow the user to withdraw?

The wallet will be flagged and will be questioned and then finally he might just be considered the real satoshi and there are lots of things that can happen to this person. I don't think authorities will just let him go and live life the way he use to.

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