It is impossible to proof that somebody is Satoshi. - page 2.

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Quote from: Palider on November 29, 2019, 11:19:47 AM

What else should we base on who the real Satoshi Nakamoto is?

Quote from: aardvark15 on November 29, 2019, 11:24:43 AM

There is almost no way to prove who he is unless he wants to be revealed.

As I wrote, Satoshi knew all this.

Quote from: satoshyknew on November 29, 2019, 10:16:58 AM

Quote from: hundredpercent on October 17, 2019, 09:21:08 AM

December 2015 a Bitcointalk member discovered a puzzle transaction while playing around with his bot:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13381244
At that time nobody declared such a puzzle transaction which was created January 2015 until the creator of that competition came out 2 years later:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.18765941
As of 01/10/2019 there are still more than 100 BTC to win. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/archive-bitcoin-challenge-discusion-5166284

We think that the early mined coins of Satoshi are also a prize competition and that Satoshi is waiting this coins to be moved. We also think that he will not respond after somebody moves the first coins but it will be a message to the Bitcoin community that the private keys are somehow on the blockchain. If Satoshi disagreed with that conclusion he would have moved the coins to other addresses.

Satoshi could move some of these coins and and show how the privatekeys were implemented into the blockchain. This is the only possibility to prove that he is the real Satoshi as nobody else could know it. Even if someone else finds a privatekey (or a bunch of eg 10 privatekeys) of these coins, this person can't show another one. But the real Satoshi can, as he knows for all these coins the solution. But he will not, he is waiting that someone finds it and moves the first coins, others will follow.

If it is necessary, he can show how the privatekeys were implemented into the blockchain and prove that he is the real Satoshi. But he will not, he is waiting that someone finds it and moves the first coins, others will follow.

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Quote from: BitcoinInReview on November 28, 2019, 10:18:31 AM

It is impossible to prove that somebody is Satoshi.

Quote from: kro55 on November 27, 2019, 01:52:10 PM

I firmly believe that even if real satoshi turned up one day, people will also declare him Faketoshi.

Quote from: kro55 on November 27, 2019, 01:52:10 PM

This is so true.

Even if Satoshi presents his privatekeys, signs messages, shows his passwords, e-mail account accesses... it could be someone else who has all these privatekeys, passwords, accesses now.
He would only prove the ownership of these but it is impossible for somebody to prove that he is Satoshi.

There is almost no way to prove who he is unless he wants to be revealed. Even then, people will either not believe it or by then they won’t care.

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Quote from: BitcoinInReview on November 28, 2019, 10:18:31 AM

It is impossible to prove that somebody is Satoshi.

Yes, it is difficult because no one knows the true Satoshi Nakamoto. And only his personal acquaintances, friends, and relatives can prove it.

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Even if Satoshi presents his privatekeys, signs messages, shows his passwords, e-mail account accesses... it could be someone else who has all these privatekeys, passwords, accesses now.
He would only prove the ownership of these but it is impossible for somebody to prove that he is Satoshi.

What else should we base on who the real Satoshi Nakamoto is? This is the only way because it is difficult and impossible to crack Satoshi Nakamoto's wallet.

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Satoshi said his name is Satoshi Nakamoto.

Quote from: enhu on November 29, 2019, 10:29:39 AM

Satoshi said the coins he had mined is like a donation to everyone.

Quote from: threadsupport on October 17, 2019, 11:47:14 AM

..
Gavin Andresen started a project to give away free Bitcoins https://freebitcoins.appspot.com/ (no more working) and Satoshi wrote June 2010:
Excellent choice of a first project, nice work. I had planned to do this exact thing if someone else didn't do it https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1620

He waited but thought that someone else will do it. We think that he is waiting that someone moves the early mined coins to show to the Bitcoin community that it's a prize competition and that the private keys are somehow on the blockchain.

'We think that he is waiting that someone moves the early mined coins to show to the Bitcoin community that it's a prize competition and that the private keys are somehow on the blockchain.'
It will be a game changer.

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Quote from: enhu on November 29, 2019, 10:29:39 AM

Satoshi said the coins he had mined is like a donation to everyone. I can only think he completely forget all those coins and didn't even copy paste the privatekeys of it. Think of it like the supply has been reduced and this is why its impossible for somebody to prove he is the real satoshi. But then its easy to claim. If you have something to promote to the public, you can always organize a conference and have someone to claim he is satoshi to get more audience.

Hope it's true, haven't red this yet, will check this information, as many people are afraid that Satoshi might just making the priect up before he will finally sell it, and if ever it will be his donation, hope he can give it to different charity institution around the world as this will make them benefit more and he can be able to help those poor children that needs help.

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Satoshi said the coins he had mined is like a donation to everyone. I can only think he completely forget all those coins and didn't even copy paste the privatekeys of it. Think of it like the supply has been reduced and this is why its impossible for somebody to prove he is the real satoshi. But then its easy to claim. If you have something to promote to the public, you can always organize a conference and have someone to claim he is satoshi to get more audience.

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Satoshi knew all this. He has been testing Bitcoin for two years before we could use it.

Quote from: satoshi on June 18, 2010, 11:17:14 AM

Quote from: laszlo on June 17, 2010, 01:50:31 PM

How long have you been working on this design Satoshi? It seems very well thought out, not the kind of thing you just sit down and code up without doing a lot of brainstorming and discussion on it first. Everyone has the obvious questions looking for holes in it but it is holding up well

Since 2007. At some point I became convinced there was a way to do this without any trust required at all and couldn't resist to keep thinking about it. Much more of the work was designing than coding.

Fortunately, so far all the issues raised have been things I previously considered and planned for.

He knew that a HDD can fail, and all other forms of privatekey storage can be useless for some reason. That is why he put the privatekeys of his early mined coins somehow into the blockchain. All these coins are P2PK addresses and he did not transfer them to P2PKH addresses although they are more secure. (quantum resistant)

Quote from: satoshi on July 16, 2010, 11:13:53 AM

SHA256 is not going to be broken by Moore's law computational improvements in our lifetimes.

Nobody is asking why he did not move and is not moving these early mined unmoved P2PK coins:
https://bitslog.com/2013/04/17/the-well-deserved-fortune-of-satoshi-nakamoto/
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/satoshis-fortune-lower-bound-is-100m-usddebate-going-on-do-not-tweet-175996

Quote from: threadsupport on October 01, 2019, 11:47:26 AM

Our guess is that he knew that the early mined coins will be moved one day. So he created a 'prize competition'. Otherwise he could move the coins to quantum resistant P2PKH addresses, but he did not and is not doing.

Indeed, there are people out there, who are trying to solve this and hopefully someone will be able to move the first coins.

Open letter/question to Satoshi https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5159185.0;all
Maybe Satoshi created the greatest prize competition https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/maybe-satoshi-created-the-greatest-prize-competition-5150688

Quote from: hundredpercent on October 17, 2019, 09:21:08 AM

December 2015 a Bitcointalk member discovered a puzzle transaction while playing around with his bot:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13381244
At that time nobody declared such a puzzle transaction which was created January 2015 until the creator of that competition came out 2 years later:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.18765941
As of 01/10/2019 there are still more than 100 BTC to win. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/archive-bitcoin-challenge-discusion-5166284

We think that the early mined coins of Satoshi are also a prize competition and that Satoshi is waiting this coins to be moved. We also think that he will not respond after somebody moves the first coins but it will be a message to the Bitcoin community that the private keys are somehow on the blockchain. If Satoshi disagreed with that conclusion he would have moved the coins to other addresses.

Satoshi could move some of these coins and and show how the privatekeys were implemented into the blockchain. This is the only possibility to prove that he is the real Satoshi as nobody else could know it. Even if someone else finds a privatekey (or a bunch of eg 10 privatekeys) of these coins, this person can't show another one. But the real Satoshi can, as he knows for all these coins the solution. But he will not, he is waiting that someone finds it and moves the first coins, others will follow.

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Can this be the real reason why the real Satoshi Nakamoto decided not to anymore surface because anyway nobody will believe him even if he can be presenting the private keys to his hoard of Bitcoin and be able to move the assets to another wallet? Well, as for me, anyone who can do the requirement we rationally demand can be a candidate to be real guy but what if he turned out to be a woman? You see, this is the problem with a certain person's whereabouts have already been turned into a circus and with some even elevated to the cult status. However, I do not really understand why we guys continue on talking about the guy when in fact we are sure that his desire is for people to just move on without him and for his contributions to be recognized but his presence not anymore yearned for.

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Quote from: DreamStage on November 28, 2019, 06:15:12 PM

It's possible to prove as if the owner decides to change how the blockchain implementions is held or changes the base code foundation for bitcoin.
By that there will be such big changes that it will be noticeable everywhere.

You will then know (if someone reports those changes) that he is the real owner of such acts.

But he will probabily not so any of those things neither proof himself.

Why we need to prove something to people who he is, Satoshi doesn't want to remember the real him, he just wanted his works to be known and adopted world wide as he thinks that this is the right time to change our payment system, and for us to have cash less society. Let's just remembered him that way no need to prove and to seek the real him, he will for sure reveal once he's ready.

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It's possible to prove as if the owner decides to change how the blockchain implementions is held or changes the base code foundation for bitcoin.
By that there will be such big changes that it will be noticeable everywhere.

You will then know (if someone reports those changes) that he is the real owner of such acts.

But he will probabily not so any of those things neither proof himself.

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Actually, it's not impossible to prove.

Sure, the original Satoshi could simply provide the private keys of his address to someone else, but it's unlikely that person would then claim to be Satoshi.

However, should somebody come along and provide draft versions of the whitepaper, including proprietary information, or demonstrate that he indeed drafted the Bitcoin code, then this would be enough evidence to convince most people.

It always comes down to plausibility, otherwise, technically it's impossible to prove anything.

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Quote from: achach on November 28, 2019, 10:36:21 AM

It is quite possible to prove, but it is unlikely that anyone will be able to do it. Grin

On what basis you'll term someone to be Satoshi. Anyone with the name Satoshi can't be real Satoshi, even if real Satoshi comes it is hard to confirm him to be the right person. Maybe with his official conversation and the forum account getting active we can conclude. Here too there needs to be someone who is close to him or had some face to face business with which the identity can be confirmed. In simple looking for Satoshi and thinking whether his identity gets revealed is unnecessary.

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He would have to share his private key since his wallet and transactions will be the first in the world. I don't think it is important to know who Satoshi is or the group if it is a group and they will never reveal themselves. It would be too much drama to deal with and satoshi already has all the money they need so they won't need more. They certainly don't need the publicity.

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Quote from: BitcoinInReview on November 28, 2019, 12:53:44 PM

Let's say ...

an authority has collected all privatekeys, e-mail account accesses, passwords ...
and gave it to a person who is now claiming that he is Satoshi.

What authority?
Government? Private individual? Can they crack bitcoin private keys? If this is possible bitcoin will never have value.

Satoshi itself? I doubt he will share his private keys, passwords to anyone.

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Quote from: BitcoinInReview on November 28, 2019, 10:18:31 AM

It is impossible to prove that somebody is Satoshi.

Quote from: kro55 on November 27, 2019, 01:52:10 PM

I firmly believe that even if real satoshi turned up one day, people will also declare him Faketoshi.

Quote from: kro55 on November 27, 2019, 01:52:10 PM

This is so true.

Even if Satoshi presents his privatekeys, signs messages, shows his passwords, e-mail account accesses... it could be someone else who has all these privatekeys, passwords, accesses now.
He would only prove the ownership of these but it is impossible for somebody to prove that he is Satoshi.

If we are going to find out who is Satoshi Nakomoto today or this time I time it is kinda impossible to find proof that he is the one who created bitcoin,
Anyone could claim that he is the marker of bitcoin but any documentation is impossible but in my opinion if he could have a big amount of percentage if bitcoin and he have the biggest percentage of bitcoin in here hand that could possibly be Satoshi Nakamoto since we have a theory that Satoshi Nakamoto owned a very big percentage of bitcoin and it makes sense since he is the maker or creator of bitcoin he should at least have a big amount of it since he could crack the bitcoin system.

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Quote from: BitcoinInReview on November 28, 2019, 10:18:31 AM

It is impossible to prove that somebody is Satoshi.

Quote from: kro55 on November 27, 2019, 01:52:10 PM

I firmly believe that even if real satoshi turned up one day, people will also declare him Faketoshi.

Quote from: kro55 on November 27, 2019, 01:52:10 PM

This is so true.

Even if Satoshi presents his privatekeys, signs messages, shows his passwords, e-mail account accesses... it could be someone else who has all these privatekeys, passwords, accesses now.
He would only prove the ownership of these but it is impossible for somebody to prove that he is Satoshi.

I think that makes sense. However, not fully. It is impossible to ultimately prove that Satoshi is Satoshi, I agree with that. But there can be a certain distinction about various candidates, and a person making a signed message would at least be someone worth taking seriously, and someone who will generally be considered Satoshi. And I think that then this person can get confirmed by some others that might know the real Satoshi from the early times, this person might be able to clarify some things about Bitcoin in a way that will differ from the thoughts of others... And so there'll be a pretty good chance that this person is Satoshi. I, however, think that it won't happen.

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Quote from: BitcoinInReview on November 28, 2019, 10:18:31 AM

It is impossible to prove that somebody is Satoshi.

Quote from: kro55 on November 27, 2019, 01:52:10 PM

I firmly believe that even if real satoshi turned up one day, people will also declare him Faketoshi.

Quote from: kro55 on November 27, 2019, 01:52:10 PM

This is so true.

Even if Satoshi presents his privatekeys, signs messages, shows his passwords, e-mail account accesses... it could be someone else who has all these privatekeys, passwords, accesses now.
He would only prove the ownership of these but it is impossible for somebody to prove that he is Satoshi.

At first can we finally say whether satoshi is a person or group?
Well, let's say satoshi is a person and imagine this person came with video where it's all shown how he works on coding, how he posts on bitcointalk and etc + then comes with private keys, all kind of access and etc. I think with combination of all of this, he can prove that he is satoshi.
But why will satoshi try to prove himself? And especially why he will put all efforts in it? He doesn't need it and this task is something that will never happen, so why to discuss on things that will never happen?

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I think that Satoshi can only know the answer if the real Satoshi would sure open up I think it will be I am not Satoshi Nakamoto the possibility that satoshi will humble himself and not take the action to give up his security will likely to what Satoshi might do, in my opinion,

And aside from giving programs and codes that will prove that he really is Satoshi there is much proof that all fake Satoshi would do and that is giving up their security and taking the mantle that they are the real thing, the possibility is there, let's just move on and let the man rest and savor his freedom, I think now the burden to be Satoshi is lifted up so in my opinion there is no way that he would scrutinize his security because of popularity because I think he does like that such things.

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Let's say ...

an authority has collected all privatekeys, e-mail account accesses, passwords ...
and gave it to a person who is now claiming that he is Satoshi.

This 'Satoshi' can ...

Quote from: avikz on November 28, 2019, 11:13:25 AM

Satoshi has mined the first bitcoin block which we also call as genesis block. If real Satoshi wants to identify himself, he can simply use his key to sign a message!

sign a message, make transactions from Satoshi's accounts, send Satoshi e-mails, claim that he is Satoshi.

But he is not the real Satoshi.

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Quote from: ene1980 on November 28, 2019, 12:30:20 PM

Quote from: tungaqhd on November 28, 2019, 12:09:00 PM

I think that there are some bitcointalk mods know "real Satoshi Nakamoto". If someone want to prove that he is Satoshi, it can be verified by these mods.

If a second person knew about the real identity of Satoshi then it would have been public by now as you cannot hold a secret like this for a long period of time [...]

This is why I think Satoshi is not a group of individuals but a single talented person.

Quote from: BitcoinInReview on November 28, 2019, 10:18:31 AM

Even if Satoshi presents his privatekeys, signs messages, shows his passwords, e-mail account accesses... it could be someone else who has all these privatekeys, passwords, accesses now.

If someone can easily get the private keys of Satoshi, bitcoin will be worthless by now. They could just dump all his bitcoins. And if someone comes forward with a signed message from Satoshi's bitcoin address, I will believe he is the real Satoshi.

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