It really a seems like Apple is trying to protect your anonymity

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Quote from: SF-Man on October 06, 2014, 12:37:51 AM

Quote from: jabo38 on October 05, 2014, 11:00:34 PM

Google defends itself and says it is better than Apple.

http://edition.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/world/2014/10/03/qmb-romans-intv-rosenberg-schmidt-google-security.cnn.html

It is.. It is better than apple.. Google gives you everything internet has to offer with very simple yet helpful design.

Im all for Google.

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Quote from: jabo38 on October 05, 2014, 11:00:34 PM

Google defends itself and says it is better than Apple.

http://edition.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/world/2014/10/03/qmb-romans-intv-rosenberg-schmidt-google-security.cnn.html

It is.. It is better than apple.. Google gives you everything internet has to offer with very simple yet helpful design.

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Quote from: a447513372 on October 04, 2014, 06:36:05 PM

Quote from: Bitcoins101 on October 04, 2014, 06:34:46 AM

Privacy =/= anonymity. The features you described may protect your privacy to a certain level, but have nothing to do with anonymity.

Quote from: wasserman99 on September 21, 2014, 07:20:31 PM

Quote from: jabo38 on September 21, 2014, 04:24:21 AM

Quote from: tl121 on September 20, 2014, 03:38:11 PM

Trust Apple? You have to be kidding. John Gilmore explains this nicely:

http://boingboing.net/2014/09/20/reasons-not-to-trust-apple.html

Explain?

He doesn't use even one fact to explain anything. It is mostly just paranoid hypotheticals. I will grant him though, that Apple is not perfect and will probably slip on one or more of the points. I imagine then after it is caught, it will be corrected. To do anything otherwise would be blatant misdirection and would seriously harm Apple's reputation. Apple definitely plays games, but not that kind.

I agree. Apple is generally very good at keeping their word. If they say something I would trust they are telling the truth. If they are caught in a lie then their reputation would be severely damaged. Their reputation is one of their biggest assets

Apple's reputation wouldn't be damaged one lick if all their recent privacy advancements were 100% BS. You're forgetting that the average Apple customer is a 15 year old girl, not a bunch of geeky "crypto-anarchists" like you'll find on this forum. Until the Apple fad dies, they'll be very popular, regardless of what they do to their reputation among people in the know.

I don't think you are correct regarding the average apple customer. Apple products are very expensive and the income level of apple customer is higher then the national average. Apple is also expanding into other "sub markets" with their iPhones (for example corporate customers) so their retail customers matter less to them.

Of course, but what does that have to do with Apple customers actually caring about privacy?

It's a common fallacy to think everyone else is just like you and shares similar priorities, because you hang out with people all day who share certain knowledge and priorities. The knowledge of an average forum member here about Internet privacy is multitudes greater than what you'll see out in real life. People are clueless - they really are.

Quote from: Window2Wall on October 04, 2014, 08:54:19 PM

Quote from: Bitcoins101 on October 04, 2014, 01:26:02 PM

Quote from: jabo38 on October 04, 2014, 08:45:37 AM

Quote from: Bitcoins101 on October 04, 2014, 06:34:46 AM

You're forgetting that the average Apple customer is a 15 year old girl, not a bunch of geeky "crypto-anarchists" like you'll find on this forum. Until the Apple fad dies, they'll be very popular, regardless of what they do to their reputation among people in the know.

Maybe try to visit an Apple store, or at least google "Apple Store" and scroll down past the official pics to just regular pics of regular stores on regular days. Not a lot of 15 year old girls.

Roughly 90% of girls 13-25 in my area have Apple everything - iPhone, MacBook, etc. Maybe 20-25% of guys I know locally who are "in the know" use Macs. Your picture of some low grossing doesn't Vancouver store explain anything. For all we know, that was shot during school hours. That's also about a 10-customer sample size, so it's not relevant anyway.

99% of Apple's customer base does not give two shits about privacy, regardless of their specific demographic. You may counter by saying, "Plenty of people care about privacy!", but it doesn't matter. Even if they feign a concern, they still don't even understand what privacy is (it's anonymity! Wrong.) and don't actually care, as long as they have the sleekest looking phone/tablet/laptop.

I disagree. I think there are plenty of people that care about and wish for privacy. They may demand it in the same way that your typical bitcoin user will (nor will they go to the same lengths to achieve privacy/anonymity) however all else being equal they will choose privacy over not having privacy. Take for example the percentage of people who use a PIN/password on their phone, it is almost everyone, the purpose of this is to prevent random people from snooping around their phone in the event they 'find' it

Actually, it's probably more like 50% or less.

The pin is likely so someone who finds it can't look at all their nudes that they store on the notably secure iCloud.

If you use iCloud, the closed-source encryption is essentially worthless.

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Google defends itself and says it is better than Apple.

http://edition.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/world/2014/10/03/qmb-romans-intv-rosenberg-schmidt-google-security.cnn.html

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Quote from: Mellnik on October 04, 2014, 03:57:22 PM

Quote from: jabo38 on September 19, 2014, 09:42:43 PM

Use the free Android operating system and Google has freedom to collect all your data and sell to the highest bidder.

What data are you referring to? Don't see any other valuable stuff than GMAIL.

Google collects what you search for (aka your search history). They also offer products like google drive and google docs that store your documents for you. They also could use google maps to track the places that you go if you also use your android cell phone as a gps

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If Apple's goal is truly anonymity then they should definitely look into Bitcoin integration.

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Quote from: Bitcoins101 on October 04, 2014, 01:26:02 PM

Quote from: jabo38 on October 04, 2014, 08:45:37 AM

Quote from: Bitcoins101 on October 04, 2014, 06:34:46 AM

You're forgetting that the average Apple customer is a 15 year old girl, not a bunch of geeky "crypto-anarchists" like you'll find on this forum. Until the Apple fad dies, they'll be very popular, regardless of what they do to their reputation among people in the know.

Maybe try to visit an Apple store, or at least google "Apple Store" and scroll down past the official pics to just regular pics of regular stores on regular days. Not a lot of 15 year old girls.

Roughly 90% of girls 13-25 in my area have Apple everything - iPhone, MacBook, etc. Maybe 20-25% of guys I know locally who are "in the know" use Macs. Your picture of some low grossing doesn't Vancouver store explain anything. For all we know, that was shot during school hours. That's also about a 10-customer sample size, so it's not relevant anyway.

99% of Apple's customer base does not give two shits about privacy, regardless of their specific demographic. You may counter by saying, "Plenty of people care about privacy!", but it doesn't matter. Even if they feign a concern, they still don't even understand what privacy is (it's anonymity! Wrong.) and don't actually care, as long as they have the sleekest looking phone/tablet/laptop.

I disagree. I think there are plenty of people that care about and wish for privacy. They may demand it in the same way that your typical bitcoin user will (nor will they go to the same lengths to achieve privacy/anonymity) however all else being equal they will choose privacy over not having privacy. Take for example the percentage of people who use a PIN/password on their phone, it is almost everyone, the purpose of this is to prevent random people from snooping around their phone in the event they 'find' it

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Quote from: Bitcoins101 on October 04, 2014, 06:34:46 AM

Privacy =/= anonymity. The features you described may protect your privacy to a certain level, but have nothing to do with anonymity.

Quote from: wasserman99 on September 21, 2014, 07:20:31 PM

Quote from: jabo38 on September 21, 2014, 04:24:21 AM

Quote from: tl121 on September 20, 2014, 03:38:11 PM

Trust Apple? You have to be kidding. John Gilmore explains this nicely:

http://boingboing.net/2014/09/20/reasons-not-to-trust-apple.html

Explain?

He doesn't use even one fact to explain anything. It is mostly just paranoid hypotheticals. I will grant him though, that Apple is not perfect and will probably slip on one or more of the points. I imagine then after it is caught, it will be corrected. To do anything otherwise would be blatant misdirection and would seriously harm Apple's reputation. Apple definitely plays games, but not that kind.

I agree. Apple is generally very good at keeping their word. If they say something I would trust they are telling the truth. If they are caught in a lie then their reputation would be severely damaged. Their reputation is one of their biggest assets

Apple's reputation wouldn't be damaged one lick if all their recent privacy advancements were 100% BS. You're forgetting that the average Apple customer is a 15 year old girl, not a bunch of geeky "crypto-anarchists" like you'll find on this forum. Until the Apple fad dies, they'll be very popular, regardless of what they do to their reputation among people in the know.

I don't think you are correct regarding the average apple customer. Apple products are very expensive and the income level of apple customer is higher then the national average. Apple is also expanding into other "sub markets" with their iPhones (for example corporate customers) so their retail customers matter less to them.

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Quote from: jabo38 on September 19, 2014, 09:42:43 PM

Use the free Android operating system and Google has freedom to collect all your data and sell to the highest bidder.

What data are you referring to? Don't see any other valuable stuff than GMAIL.

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Quote from: jabo38 on October 04, 2014, 08:45:37 AM

Quote from: Bitcoins101 on October 04, 2014, 06:34:46 AM

You're forgetting that the average Apple customer is a 15 year old girl, not a bunch of geeky "crypto-anarchists" like you'll find on this forum. Until the Apple fad dies, they'll be very popular, regardless of what they do to their reputation among people in the know.

Maybe try to visit an Apple store, or at least google "Apple Store" and scroll down past the official pics to just regular pics of regular stores on regular days. Not a lot of 15 year old girls.

Roughly 90% of girls 13-25 in my area have Apple everything - iPhone, MacBook, etc. Maybe 20-25% of guys I know locally who are "in the know" use Macs. Your picture of some low grossing doesn't Vancouver store explain anything. For all we know, that was shot during school hours. That's also about a 10-customer sample size, so it's not relevant anyway.

99% of Apple's customer base does not give two shits about privacy, regardless of their specific demographic. You may counter by saying, "Plenty of people care about privacy!", but it doesn't matter. Even if they feign a concern, they still don't even understand what privacy is (it's anonymity! Wrong.) and don't actually care, as long as they have the sleekest looking phone/tablet/laptop.

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Quote from: Bitcoins101 on October 04, 2014, 06:34:46 AM

You're forgetting that the average Apple customer is a 15 year old girl, not a bunch of geeky "crypto-anarchists" like you'll find on this forum. Until the Apple fad dies, they'll be very popular, regardless of what they do to their reputation among people in the know.

Maybe try to visit an Apple store, or at least google "Apple Store" and scroll down past the official pics to just regular pics of regular stores on regular days. Not a lot of 15 year old girls.

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Privacy =/= anonymity. The features you described may protect your privacy to a certain level, but have nothing to do with anonymity.

Quote from: wasserman99 on September 21, 2014, 07:20:31 PM

Quote from: jabo38 on September 21, 2014, 04:24:21 AM

Quote from: tl121 on September 20, 2014, 03:38:11 PM

Trust Apple? You have to be kidding. John Gilmore explains this nicely:

http://boingboing.net/2014/09/20/reasons-not-to-trust-apple.html

Explain?

He doesn't use even one fact to explain anything. It is mostly just paranoid hypotheticals. I will grant him though, that Apple is not perfect and will probably slip on one or more of the points. I imagine then after it is caught, it will be corrected. To do anything otherwise would be blatant misdirection and would seriously harm Apple's reputation. Apple definitely plays games, but not that kind.

I agree. Apple is generally very good at keeping their word. If they say something I would trust they are telling the truth. If they are caught in a lie then their reputation would be severely damaged. Their reputation is one of their biggest assets

Apple's reputation wouldn't be damaged one lick if all their recent privacy advancements were 100% BS. You're forgetting that the average Apple customer is a 15 year old girl, not a bunch of geeky "crypto-anarchists" like you'll find on this forum. Until the Apple fad dies, they'll be very popular, regardless of what they do to their reputation among people in the know.

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Quote from: Dondie on October 03, 2014, 09:05:22 AM

LOL... Celebrities protected their anonymity more than any of us.. Look what happened, The gappening happened.

*The Fappening.

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LOL... Celebrities protected their anonymity more than any of us.. Look what happened, The gappening happened.

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Quote from: cdooer on September 23, 2014, 08:07:32 AM

Apple and privacy?

Wonder if these folks will be using Apple Pay any time soon; Ali Michael, Ariana Grande, Bar Rafaeli, Becca Tobin, Brie Larson, Hope Solo, Jennifer Lawrence, Jessica Brown Findlay, Kate Upton, Kirsten Dunst, Krysten Ritter, Lea Michele, Mary Elizabeth Winstead, Mckayla Maroney, Melissa Benoist, Olivia Munn, Selena Gomez, Teresa Palmer, Victoria Justice, Yvonne Strahovski, and so on, and so forth.

I, for one have quite enjoyed their version of privacy over the past few weeks. Probably wouldn't trust them with my money though. Cheesy

Your money is protected if you pay for something via apple pay as you are not liable for unauthorized purchases to your credit card and apple pay uses your credit card.

The reason the celebs had their pictures stolen was because there was a security "flaw" in iCloud, it technically did not have anything to do with their iPhones.

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Quote from: cdooer on September 23, 2014, 08:07:32 AM

Apple and privacy?

Wonder if these folks will be using Apple Pay any time soon; Ali Michael, Ariana Grande, Bar Rafaeli, Becca Tobin, Brie Larson, Hope Solo, Jennifer Lawrence, Jessica Brown Findlay, Kate Upton, Kirsten Dunst, Krysten Ritter, Lea Michele, Mary Elizabeth Winstead, Mckayla Maroney, Melissa Benoist, Olivia Munn, Selena Gomez, Teresa Palmer, Victoria Justice, Yvonne Strahovski, and so on, and so forth.

I, for one have quite enjoyed their version of privacy over the past few weeks. Probably wouldn't trust them with my money though. Cheesy

Don't forget Emma Watson, it's comming soon.
Also, im pretty sure iWatch will see a quick improved version fixing "bugs" just like every other first version apple product ever.

I agree. The iWatch might be a risky endeavor. I am sure most people will be okay, but not everyone all the time.

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Quote from: cdooer on September 23, 2014, 08:07:32 AM

Apple and privacy?

Wonder if these folks will be using Apple Pay any time soon; Ali Michael, Ariana Grande, Bar Rafaeli, Becca Tobin, Brie Larson, Hope Solo, Jennifer Lawrence, Jessica Brown Findlay, Kate Upton, Kirsten Dunst, Krysten Ritter, Lea Michele, Mary Elizabeth Winstead, Mckayla Maroney, Melissa Benoist, Olivia Munn, Selena Gomez, Teresa Palmer, Victoria Justice, Yvonne Strahovski, and so on, and so forth.

I, for one have quite enjoyed their version of privacy over the past few weeks. Probably wouldn't trust them with my money though. Cheesy

Don't forget Emma Watson, it's comming soon.
Also, im pretty sure iWatch will see a quick improved version fixing "bugs" just like every other first version apple product ever.

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Apple and privacy?

Wonder if these folks will be using Apple Pay any time soon; Ali Michael, Ariana Grande, Bar Rafaeli, Becca Tobin, Brie Larson, Hope Solo, Jennifer Lawrence, Jessica Brown Findlay, Kate Upton, Kirsten Dunst, Krysten Ritter, Lea Michele, Mary Elizabeth Winstead, Mckayla Maroney, Melissa Benoist, Olivia Munn, Selena Gomez, Teresa Palmer, Victoria Justice, Yvonne Strahovski, and so on, and so forth.

I, for one have quite enjoyed their version of privacy over the past few weeks. Probably wouldn't trust them with my money though. Cheesy

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Quote from: zorke on September 22, 2014, 07:57:16 PM

I don't think anonymity is the correct adjective to use, I think it would be more appropriate to say they are trying to protect users privacy. If they were trying to protect their user's anonymity then they would be implementing features that would prevent others from knowing what number they are calling from, what number they are calling or their physical location (to mask all of these things, even to the phone company)

That is very good point. I think "privacy" much better fits what is going on here. I think the OP got it wrong. Hahaha

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Quote from: jabo38 on September 19, 2014, 09:42:43 PM

From what I read....

Use Apple iOS8 and Apple can't even access your phone even if they wanted to. (Yes, you'll pay more up front and have a less customizable phone)

Use the free Android operating system and Google has freedom to collect all your data and sell to the highest bidder.

In addition it appears Apple Pay stores credit card numbers locally that are encrypted and unencrypted each time for each purchase, and when a purchase is made a one time payment approval code is used so that the place you are shopping won't know your name, credit card info, or other information.

I know there are lots of fan boys and haters out there. What do you all think? I know for me personally these new develooments in iOS8 came as a big surprise.

http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_268789/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=MLzFmXy6

In an ultimate scenario of anonymity, I can imagine some combination of a Coinbase/Bitpay -> Apple Pay combination. Some kind of merger of bitcoin and Apple Pay is inevitable I think.

I don't think anonymity is the correct adjective to use, I think it would be more appropriate to say they are trying to protect users privacy. If they were trying to protect their user's anonymity then they would be implementing features that would prevent others from knowing what number they are calling from, what number they are calling or their physical location (to mask all of these things, even to the phone company)

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