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Two companies I'd never trust: Microsoft and Apple
They can say whatever they want, I don't believe a single word, especially if it's about privacy and security. Fuck them.

How about Google ?
Each of us know that they are collecting informations.
sr. member
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Trust Apple?  You have to be kidding. John Gilmore explains this nicely:

http://boingboing.net/2014/09/20/reasons-not-to-trust-apple.html

Explain?

He doesn't use even one fact to explain anything.  It is mostly just paranoid hypotheticals.  I will grant him though, that Apple is not perfect and will probably slip on one or more of the points.  I imagine then after it is caught, it will be corrected.  To do anything otherwise would be blatant misdirection and would seriously harm Apple's reputation.  Apple definitely plays games, but not that kind. 
I agree. Apple is generally very good at keeping their word. If they say something I would trust they are telling the truth. If they are caught in a lie then their reputation would be severely damaged. Their reputation is one of their biggest assets
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Rule number one in dealing with Apple: Never buy Version One of anything. Remember Apple Maps and how everybody was hacking the first version of the iPad, guys?

Rule one with apple: never buy anything apple until they stop being such nazi's with BTC Grin
They are allowing companies to have bitcoin wallet apps in the app store again. They never restricted any bitcoin news or bitcoin price tracking, or store that accepts bitcoin locator apps in their app store.
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mining is so 2012-2013
Trust Apple?  You have to be kidding. John Gilmore explains this nicely:

http://boingboing.net/2014/09/20/reasons-not-to-trust-apple.html

Explain?

He doesn't use even one fact to explain anything.  It is mostly just paranoid hypotheticals.  I will grant him though, that Apple is not perfect and will probably slip on one or more of the points.  I imagine then after it is caught, it will be corrected.  To do anything otherwise would be blatant misdirection and would seriously harm Apple's reputation.  Apple definitely plays games, but not that kind. 
legendary
Activity: 1232
Merit: 1001
mining is so 2012-2013
Rule number one in dealing with Apple: Never buy Version One of anything. Remember Apple Maps and how everybody was hacking the first version of the iPad, guys?

Rule one with apple: never buy anything apple until they stop being such nazi's with BTC Grin

Apple allows bitcoin apps, just the same as Android. I have a Blockchain app on my phone right now.  There might be many reasons to not like Apple, but that reason is 6 months out dated. 
legendary
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Rule number one in dealing with Apple: Never buy Version One of anything. Remember Apple Maps and how everybody was hacking the first version of the iPad, guys?

Rule one with apple: never buy anything apple until they stop being such nazi's with BTC Grin
sr. member
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Two companies I'd never trust: Microsoft and Apple
They can say whatever they want, I don't believe a single word, especially if it's about privacy and security. Fuck them.
Microsoft is fighting a request from the US government to search user records that are stored in overseas servers in court. They may or may not win but they are at least trying.

Both MSFT and AAPL have limits as to what they are able to do in terms of privacy of information stored on their own servers because the courts are able to force them to comply with search warrants

That's what I also would say if I got criticized all the time and afraid that I have to fear to lose market shares, especially in the booming cloud market.
I know they are limited but I also don't think they are actually interested. With lobbying and threat to move to another country they could put enough pressure on the government to stop that. If they want...
Microsoft is not just saying they are fighting it, they are actually fighting the search request. The search in question is also not regarding anything to do with the cloud, it is regarding the search of an email account.
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Two companies I'd never trust: Microsoft and Apple
They can say whatever they want, I don't believe a single word, especially if it's about privacy and security. Fuck them.
Microsoft is fighting a request from the US government to search user records that are stored in overseas servers in court. They may or may not win but they are at least trying.

Both MSFT and AAPL have limits as to what they are able to do in terms of privacy of information stored on their own servers because the courts are able to force them to comply with search warrants

That's what I also would say if I got criticized all the time and afraid that I have to fear to lose market shares, especially in the booming cloud market.
I know they are limited but I also don't think they are actually interested. With lobbying and threat to move to another country they could put enough pressure on the government to stop that. If they want...
sr. member
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Two companies I'd never trust: Microsoft and Apple
They can say whatever they want, I don't believe a single word, especially if it's about privacy and security. Fuck them.
Microsoft is fighting a request from the US government to search user records that are stored in overseas servers in court. They may or may not win but they are at least trying.

Both MSFT and AAPL have limits as to what they are able to do in terms of privacy of information stored on their own servers because the courts are able to force them to comply with search warrants
sr. member
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Trust Apple?  You have to be kidding. John Gilmore explains this nicely:

http://boingboing.net/2014/09/20/reasons-not-to-trust-apple.html
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From what I read....

Use Apple iOS8 and Apple can't even access your phone even if they wanted to.  (Yes, you'll pay more up front and have a less customizable phone)

Use the free Android operating system and Google has freedom to collect all your data and sell to the highest bidder.

In addition it appears Apple Pay stores credit card numbers locally that are encrypted and unencrypted each time for each purchase, and when a purchase is made a one time payment approval code is used so that the place you are shopping won't know your name, credit card info, or other information.

I know there are lots of fan boys and haters out there. What do you all think? I know for me personally these new develooments in iOS8 came as a big surprise.

http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_268789/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=MLzFmXy6

In an ultimate scenario of anonymity, I can imagine some combination of a Coinbase/Bitpay -> Apple Pay combination.  Some kind of merger of bitcoin and Apple Pay is inevitable I think.  

Well, if it is true, that's great. But can we be sure it is true?

The only way to know for sure is if it was open source.
If apple were to make it's IOS8 operating system open source then people would steal it. Open source is really only appropriate when the author is comfortable with others using their product without payment, and apple does not fall into this category.

I would personally trust apple enough to believe their statements. Also you could also delay trusting what they say for 6+ months to see if news reports start to come out saying that the police were able to access suspects' phones without a password
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Two companies I'd never trust: Microsoft and Apple
They can say whatever they want, I don't believe a single word, especially if it's about privacy and security. Fuck them.
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Ah, getting your point.  Wink

Agreed, being online, compromise more info, than we want to anyways. {Location/OS used/Language spoken and whatever you reveal, without knowing it}

So we f^&*ed the big brother is watching us, everywhere we go.  Huh

Ok.. back to my whine....

we been fucked since the 1960's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON

I think it was when first man stand on earth.

About collecting informactions, every big corporation do it.
legendary
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Ah, getting your point.  Wink

Agreed, being online, compromise more info, than we want to anyways. {Location/OS used/Language spoken and whatever you reveal, without knowing it}

So we f^&*ed the big brother is watching us, everywhere we go.  Huh

Ok.. back to my whine....

we been fucked since the 1960's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON
legendary
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Ah, getting your point.  Wink

Agreed, being online, compromise more info, than we want to anyways. {Location/OS used/Language spoken and whatever you reveal, without knowing it}

So we f^&*ed the big brother is watching us, everywhere we go.  Huh

Ok.. back to my whine....
legendary
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How are me advertizing "mining" influencing this matter?

I still have control over my bitcoins, when it's moved in increments from these operations. None of my sensitive information is stored on their servers. {Other than my public key, which is posted everywhere anyways}

I do not convert into fiat, so none of my personal information are compromised.

Apple have to store "personal" information, that can be used to "withdraw" money, if it's compromised. If my mining operation is compromised, they get a public address, which they can do nothing with.

Wost case scenario, they hack into my "mining" account, and they cannot get past the 2FA and if they do, they get a few satoshi's, not all my credit on my credit card or my money saved in my saving accounts.

So the damage is insignificant in comparison, to what can be done, if they compromise Apple.


i wasnt knit picking the personal info side.. i was knitpicking the trust of cloud services. and the fact that u advertise cloud services lol (bad joke i know)

but your income is not decentralised (not having miners in your own warehouse/home..) its online. and so is this forum. so your reliance (although not having private data) on third party remote services, remains high.
legendary
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How are me advertizing "mining" influencing this matter?

I still have control over my bitcoins, when it's moved in increments from these operations. None of my sensitive information is stored on their servers. {Other than my public key, which is posted everywhere anyways}

I do not convert into fiat, so none of my personal information are compromised.

Apple have to store "personal" information, that can be used to "withdraw" money, if it's compromised. If my mining operation is compromised, they get a public address, which they can do nothing with.

Wost case scenario, they hack into my "mining" account, and they cannot get past the 2FA and if they do, they get a few satoshi's, not all my credit on my credit card or my money saved in my saving accounts.

So the damage is insignificant in comparison, to what can be done, if they compromise Apple.



legendary
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And how glad are we {BTC users} that none of our information are saved on any other central parties server.  Grin

It feels good to have total control of your own destiny. Apple can go suck my bitcoin, they spending millions on keeping other people's money "safe" and then someone hack into the server, or hijack the users pc, and it's game over!

I want to see, how they get to my cold storage.  Grin Grin

says the guy advertising cloud mining Cheesy

.. sorry nothing personal, just had to be pointed out for laughters sake
legendary
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And how glad are we {BTC users} that none of our information are saved on any other central parties server.  Grin

It feels good to have total control of your own destiny. Apple can go suck my bitcoin, they spending millions on keeping other people's money "safe" and then someone hack into the server, or hijack the users pc, and it's game over!

I want to see, how they get to my cold storage.  Grin Grin
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It seems like to me the best solution would be as soon as a person buys a new phone to turn off all iCloud services for anything you wouldn't want the entire world to know

Anytime you use any electronic device that is connected to the internet or a cell phone tower at any time ever, operate with the assumption that anything on the device is no longer private.
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