Rule number one in dealing with Apple: Never buy Version One of anything. Remember Apple Maps and how everybody was hacking the first version of the iPad, guys?
somtimes they rush to launch new service or products having some flaws. in case it happen, we'd better wait the second version. 
Topic: It really a seems like Apple is trying to protect your anonymity - page 3. (Read 3434 times)
September 20, 2014, 12:00:36 AM
September 19, 2014, 11:48:58 PM
Forgetting about a little something called GPS? Apple require that information to feed updates.
September 19, 2014, 11:30:38 PM
If they feel like they have especially private information, they
should never even consider storing it on a phone 
September 19, 2014, 11:26:09 PM
im not to worried about apple. but i am more worried about samsung and android.. seeing as samsung sell tanks, surveillance tools to governments
http://www.samsungtechwin.com/product/product_05_01_01.asp
and google sell technology to aid government data-mining
phone surveillance: (voice-to-text)
keyword search: (optimised search engine bots)
data collection: (optimised data compression/storage)
http://www.samsungtechwin.com/product/product_05_01_01.asp
and google sell technology to aid government data-mining
phone surveillance: (voice-to-text)
keyword search: (optimised search engine bots)
data collection: (optimised data compression/storage)
September 19, 2014, 11:12:55 PM
@Franky1 I thought the same thing. Any iCloud back up is easily accessible by Apple. For many people that includes basically a copy of their whole phone. It seems like to me the best solution would be as soon as a person buys a new phone to turn off all iCloud services for anything you wouldn't want the entire world to know (as far as I know a person can pick which apps and which services iCloud can access.) If a person still wants to back up their phone, they can do it on their home computer. If they feel like they have especially private information, they can encrypt those back ups.
September 19, 2014, 10:41:17 PM
it only stops them from unlocking the physical phone itself without the passcode from the user. BUT
BUT
any backups stored on its icloud service can and will be given to police if they produce a warrent. and data on the icloud is NOT encrypted using the users passcode.
enjoy
BUT
any backups stored on its icloud service can and will be given to police if they produce a warrent. and data on the icloud is NOT encrypted using the users passcode.
enjoy
September 19, 2014, 10:40:20 PM
well, I guess we will find out soon enough. 
September 19, 2014, 10:29:44 PM
From what I read....
Use Apple iOS8 and Apple can't even access your phone even if they wanted to. (Yes, you'll pay more up front and have a less customizable phone)
Use the free Android operating system and Google has freedom to collect all your data and sell to the highest bidder.
In addition it appears Apple Pay stores credit card numbers locally that are encrypted and unencrypted each time for each purchase, and when a purchase is made a one time payment approval code is used so that the place you are shopping won't know your name, credit card info, or other information.
I know there are lots of fan boys and haters out there. What do you all think? I know for me personally these new develooments in iOS8 came as a big surprise.
http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_268789/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=MLzFmXy6
In an ultimate scenario of anonymity, I can imagine some combination of a Coinbase/Bitpay -> Apple Pay combination. Some kind of merger of bitcoin and Apple Pay is inevitable I think.
Use Apple iOS8 and Apple can't even access your phone even if they wanted to. (Yes, you'll pay more up front and have a less customizable phone)
Use the free Android operating system and Google has freedom to collect all your data and sell to the highest bidder.
In addition it appears Apple Pay stores credit card numbers locally that are encrypted and unencrypted each time for each purchase, and when a purchase is made a one time payment approval code is used so that the place you are shopping won't know your name, credit card info, or other information.
I know there are lots of fan boys and haters out there. What do you all think? I know for me personally these new develooments in iOS8 came as a big surprise.
http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_268789/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=MLzFmXy6
In an ultimate scenario of anonymity, I can imagine some combination of a Coinbase/Bitpay -> Apple Pay combination. Some kind of merger of bitcoin and Apple Pay is inevitable I think.
Well, if it is true, that's great. But can we be sure it is true?
The only way to kno for sure is if it was open source.
Hahaha. That is a very good point.
So.... now we have
Android which is open source and because it is we know we are getting summarized, packaged, and sold.
iOS8 which claims to protect us but there is no way to know because it isn't open source.
Really neither is a great option.
September 19, 2014, 10:27:07 PM
Rule number one in dealing with Apple: Never buy Version One of anything. Remember Apple Maps and how everybody was hacking the first version of the iPad, guys?
That is a good point. The first generation is often is hyped high and delivers so-so. This very well could be the case for Apple Pay too.
With the iPad they were creating a whole new category of electronics. It's understandable it would go wrong. The maps was a huge blunder that could have been easily avoided if handled properly.
Many people were afraid of the finger print scanner, but as far as I know, it went over pretty well because finger print hardware and software had been around for a long time.
I am not sure where Apple Pay might fall into this, nor Apple's new found vested interest in protecting the consumer's privacy. (We know that part of this came about because of the recent iCloud hacking)
September 19, 2014, 10:26:03 PM
From what I read....
Use Apple iOS8 and Apple can't even access your phone even if they wanted to. (Yes, you'll pay more up front and have a less customizable phone)
Use the free Android operating system and Google has freedom to collect all your data and sell to the highest bidder.
In addition it appears Apple Pay stores credit card numbers locally that are encrypted and unencrypted each time for each purchase, and when a purchase is made a one time payment approval code is used so that the place you are shopping won't know your name, credit card info, or other information.
I know there are lots of fan boys and haters out there. What do you all think? I know for me personally these new develooments in iOS8 came as a big surprise.
http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_268789/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=MLzFmXy6
In an ultimate scenario of anonymity, I can imagine some combination of a Coinbase/Bitpay -> Apple Pay combination. Some kind of merger of bitcoin and Apple Pay is inevitable I think.
Use Apple iOS8 and Apple can't even access your phone even if they wanted to. (Yes, you'll pay more up front and have a less customizable phone)
Use the free Android operating system and Google has freedom to collect all your data and sell to the highest bidder.
In addition it appears Apple Pay stores credit card numbers locally that are encrypted and unencrypted each time for each purchase, and when a purchase is made a one time payment approval code is used so that the place you are shopping won't know your name, credit card info, or other information.
I know there are lots of fan boys and haters out there. What do you all think? I know for me personally these new develooments in iOS8 came as a big surprise.
http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_268789/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=MLzFmXy6
In an ultimate scenario of anonymity, I can imagine some combination of a Coinbase/Bitpay -> Apple Pay combination. Some kind of merger of bitcoin and Apple Pay is inevitable I think.
Well, if it is true, that's great. But can we be sure it is true?
The only way to know for sure is if it was open source.
September 19, 2014, 10:21:25 PM
Rule number one in dealing with Apple: Never buy Version One of anything. Remember Apple Maps and how everybody was hacking the first version of the iPad, guys?
September 19, 2014, 09:42:43 PM
From what I read....
Use Apple iOS8 and Apple can't even access your phone even if they wanted to. (Yes, you'll pay more up front and have a less customizable phone)
Use the free Android operating system and Google has freedom to collect all your data and sell to the highest bidder.
In addition it appears Apple Pay stores credit card numbers locally that are encrypted and unencrypted each time for each purchase, and when a purchase is made a one time payment approval code is used so that the place you are shopping won't know your name, credit card info, or other information.
I know there are lots of fan boys and haters out there. What do you all think? I know for me personally these new develooments in iOS8 came as a big surprise.
http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_268789/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=MLzFmXy6
In an ultimate scenario of anonymity, I can imagine some combination of a Coinbase/Bitpay -> Apple Pay combination. Some kind of merger of bitcoin and Apple Pay is inevitable I think.
Use Apple iOS8 and Apple can't even access your phone even if they wanted to. (Yes, you'll pay more up front and have a less customizable phone)
Use the free Android operating system and Google has freedom to collect all your data and sell to the highest bidder.
In addition it appears Apple Pay stores credit card numbers locally that are encrypted and unencrypted each time for each purchase, and when a purchase is made a one time payment approval code is used so that the place you are shopping won't know your name, credit card info, or other information.
I know there are lots of fan boys and haters out there. What do you all think? I know for me personally these new develooments in iOS8 came as a big surprise.
http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_268789/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=MLzFmXy6
In an ultimate scenario of anonymity, I can imagine some combination of a Coinbase/Bitpay -> Apple Pay combination. Some kind of merger of bitcoin and Apple Pay is inevitable I think.
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