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Quote from: bastisisca on November 29, 2023, 02:24:08 PM

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Of course, this season Juventus is the most favored to get the Scudetto trophy this season, because as you said, Juventus doesn't have a big schedule so the players' fitness and concentration don't decrease. This is very different from other Scudetto competitors who have very busy schedules, of course their stamina will be drained and players will even easily suffer injuries which will make them unable to compete for the Scudetto trophy.

So in essence, if asked who has the most potential to win the Scudetto this season, the answer is of course Juventus, but with the condition that you must not underestimate any opponent, and Allegri must be able to use all his organizational abilities. strategy in each match so that you can remain consistent.

In the long run, yes, Juventus, having no cups to play, is favored from a physical fitness point of view compared to other teams who have grueling shifts that put the players bodies to the test.
But this is not enough, look at Inter, clearly we will see towards the end of the championship how it is going.

The great advantage for Juventus is about the more potential they can have in the Serie A. In fact, Juventus is not playing in the Champions League like Inter Milan and AC Milan which can give them more time to rest between each game also they will have less chance of having injured players. Maybe we are going to see Juventus winning the Serie A title after the drama they had in the last season.

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Inter's fixture is quite challenging recently. After facing Juventus in the league previously and having a really tiring game against Benfica in the Champions League their next opponent is Napoli. It is a league game I mean. Inter got 2 draws in the games I mentioned. This Napoli game is an away one as well so I'm curious about whether this streak will continue.

Inter can't win against Napoli in away games for a while at the same time. Considering all of these it is quite difficult for me to believe in Inter to win this game. Instead I think both teams to score is one of the best options for this game.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on November 26, 2023, 10:29:27 PM

Why VAR did not intervene on Juventus vs. Inter goal

Simple answer?

Var was created to penalize Juventus.

What are the odds that the team with the most decisions against is Juventus and the fewer decisions in advantage is the same?

The Lega of Serie A is against Juventus, just look at the penalty they got FOR NOTHING illegal the last year.

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Quote from: Die_empty on November 29, 2023, 02:45:00 PM

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Maybe Inter can take Serie A and the Italian Cup, but it’s hard for me to imagine what kind of draw should be in the playoffs for Inter to reach the Champions League final again. Maybe this year the line-up of contenders is a little weaker than last year (there are no Liverpool and Chelsea), but it’s hard to believe that Inter will be as lucky as last year, and with any strong opponent from the big three, Inter will be an underdog. Even now in the lightweight group they are in second place and all their victories are with a minimum score.

Inter's performance in the Italian Serie A and the Champion League could be a pointer that they still have better quality than last season. They are still tough teams in the UCL but I think Inter has what it takes to still go to the finals. Their journey to the finals last season cannot be seen as just luck but they put in some good effort. Real Sociedad, FC Red Bull Salzburg and S.L. Benfica are not weak teams. Salzburg is topping the Austrian Bundesliga, while Benfica is number one in the Liga Portugal, so Inter should be commended for surviving in Group D.
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0-3 after the first 45 minutes against Benfica (which scored exactly zero points before this game) and it looks like first place will go to Sociedad, and Inter risks getting to the top team right away in the 1/8. Despite local successes, Inter is still far from the European top clubs, and although theoretically they can win the Champions League, the likelihood of this is very small.

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Quote from: QueenVera on November 29, 2023, 02:07:34 PM

Milan lost disappointedly to Dortmund even in their home ground, the expectation from them was high due to their win against PSG. Yesterday wasn't a good day for them and it now queries their performance in their subsequent matches, it may have an effect on their confidence and mindset too. Sadly their focus is now drifted out of the Champions league a bit because in the current situation, their chance of scaling through is a bit less than half.

They had such a poor outing yesterday after losing at home to Dortmund. I never expected them to lose at home after their performance against PSG. They were relaxed and did not exert as much effort as they had in previous matches, which resulted in a humiliating defeat, reducing their chances of progressing to the knockout stage of the competition. They could still give it their all in their final group match, hoping to qualify for the Europa League while maintaining their focus on the Scudetto.

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I don't know think PSG would take it easy on them when they face each other next week, being that Milan would be playing away from home. Milan needs to build back themselves in total and starting winning with proper margins, their performance is very much retarded and it's likely going to affect their league race too, except they build confidence very fast and start doing better.

At this point, I doubt Milan will make much of an effort to qualify from the group stage. It has now become clear to them that they will not advance to the competition's last 16. So they must now concentrate on the league race rather than the Champions League competition. They might be able to qualify for the Europa League rather than being eliminated from the European competition entirely.

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Quote from: KTChampions on November 29, 2023, 01:05:04 PM

Maybe Inter can take Serie A and the Italian Cup, but it’s hard for me to imagine what kind of draw should be in the playoffs for Inter to reach the Champions League final again. Maybe this year the line-up of contenders is a little weaker than last year (there are no Liverpool and Chelsea), but it’s hard to believe that Inter will be as lucky as last year, and with any strong opponent from the big three, Inter will be an underdog. Even now in the lightweight group they are in second place and all their victories are with a minimum score.

Inter's performance in the Italian Serie A and the Champion League could be a pointer that they still have better quality than last season. They are still tough teams in the UCL but I think Inter has what it takes to still go to the finals. Their journey to the finals last season cannot be seen as just luck but they put in some good effort. Real Sociedad, FC Red Bull Salzburg and S.L. Benfica are not weak teams. Salzburg is topping the Austrian Bundesliga, while Benfica is number one in the Liga Portugal, so Inter should be commended for surviving in Group D.

Quote from: bastisisca on November 29, 2023, 02:24:08 PM

In the long run, yes, Juventus, having no cups to play, is favored from a physical fitness point of view compared to other teams who have grueling shifts that put the players bodies to the test.
But this is not enough, look at Inter, clearly we will see towards the end of the championship how it is going.

Not playing in any European competition means lesser work schedule for the player which will reduce injuries and fatigue. The Massimiliano Allegri side has greater chances of at least qualifying for the Champions League next season. But sadly Allegri might leave the Turin club at the end of the season because he was not happy seeing Antonio Conte having a possible transfer discussion with Juventus CEO Francesco Calvo. Maybe he has started making plans for the next club he would move to at the end of the season. But I see this development as a betrayal by Juventus after Allegri stood with the club during their trying times meanwhile, he had an option of signing lucrative contracts in other clubs.

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Quote from: Mame89 on November 29, 2023, 04:57:31 AM

Of course, this season Juventus is the most favored to get the Scudetto trophy this season, because as you said, Juventus doesn't have a big schedule so the players' fitness and concentration don't decrease. This is very different from other Scudetto competitors who have very busy schedules, of course their stamina will be drained and players will even easily suffer injuries which will make them unable to compete for the Scudetto trophy.

So in essence, if asked who has the most potential to win the Scudetto this season, the answer is of course Juventus, but with the condition that you must not underestimate any opponent, and Allegri must be able to use all his organizational abilities. strategy in each match so that you can remain consistent.

In the long run, yes, Juventus, having no cups to play, is favored from a physical fitness point of view compared to other teams who have grueling shifts that put the players bodies to the test.
But this is not enough, look at Inter, clearly we will see towards the end of the championship how it is going.

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Quote from: Arenga pinnata on November 29, 2023, 05:45:11 AM

Not as usual, Milan lost when competing in front of their own supporters. Even though in the previous match at UCL, Milan was able to beat PSG at the San Siro. So yesterday I thought that Milan would also succeed in beating Dortmund at the San Siro. But the position as host also does not guarantee that Milan will win again. And I think Dortmund have really improved their performance at the moment so that they are surprisingly leaders in UCL Group F.

But I hope Milan will be able to play against Frosinone. Because if we look at the Head To Head between Milan and Frosinone, we can see that Frosinone has never won even in the last 5 meetings with Milan. So in this match I think betting on Milan will be much better. But Frosinone's strength this season is different from when Milan last met in the 2019 season. Because in that year Frosinone was in their worst condition. I think Milan should not underestimate this match. Because Milan also has to get full points in this match to be able to maintain its position in 3rd place in the standings.

Milan lost disappointedly to Dortmund even in their home ground, the expectation from them was high due to their win against PSG. Yesterday wasn't a good day for them and it now queries their performance in their subsequent matches, it may have an effect on their confidence and mindset too. Sadly their focus is now drifted out of the Champions league a bit because in the current situation, their chance of scaling through is a bit less than half.

I don't know think PSG would take it easy on them when they face each other next week, being that Milan would be playing away from home. Milan needs to build back themselves in total and starting winning with proper margins, their performance is very much retarded and it's likely going to affect their league race too, except they build confidence very fast and start doing better.

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Quote from: Doell on November 29, 2023, 11:26:29 AM

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Juventus hopes of overtaking Inter are quite big in the future, especially if Inter advances further in the UCL which requires them to focus more there. I see that Juventus is better than Milan and Napoli in pressing Inter at the top of the standings for the time being, with the lack of match schedules and competition, Aleggri squad should fight optimally to get the Scudetto at the end of the season. However, I think they have to look for a new midfielder to cover the position left by Pogba, the transfer window is the best option and they have to move actively there.

Indeed, Juventus have a higher chance of overtaking Inter Milan, considering that Juventus this season is only focused on Serie A. This is different from Inter Milan, which requires them to focus more on the UCL, so Inter Milan performance in Serie A in doubt.
Of course, after losing Pogba, Juventus will looking for new players in the transfer window. But they are must to found the right player, there have been rumors some time ago that Juventus will recruit Pierre-Emile Højbjerg in the January transfer window and that man will be their main priority.

Basically, it's time for Juventus to get back to the scudetto and yes, I don't care whether Inter will advance further or be knocked out early in the Champions League. Because after all, this is about Juventus and not about Inter so yes, I hope Juventus will be able to take advantage of the good moments this season to get the scudetto again. But yes, indeed, it's certainly not easy because it seems like Juventus always has obstacles to getting better . However, because Juventus already received all the punishments in last season and yes, it has become a necessity for Allegri to be able to provide good results for Juventus in Serie A this season.

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Quote from: Docnaster on November 29, 2023, 04:45:08 AM

Juventus without doubt stands a better chance among other top Italian teams that are trying to overtake Inter Milan in the league standings because of the fact that they're currently not playing in any European competition but that doesn't automatically mean that Inter can't hold on as the league leaders till the end of the season if they truly want to achieve that feat despite their involvement in the UEFA Champions League competition.

In 2010, a Jose Mourinho's Inter Milan won the UEFA Champions League title, the Italian Serie title as well as the Italian Cup and the current Simone Inzaghi's squad can still replicate the same result this season if they work very hard for it.

Maybe Inter can take Serie A and the Italian Cup, but it’s hard for me to imagine what kind of draw should be in the playoffs for Inter to reach the Champions League final again. Maybe this year the line-up of contenders is a little weaker than last year (there are no Liverpool and Chelsea), but it’s hard to believe that Inter will be as lucky as last year, and with any strong opponent from the big three, Inter will be an underdog. Even now in the lightweight group they are in second place and all their victories are with a minimum score.

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Quote from: masulum on November 29, 2023, 06:05:40 AM

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in Italy for example, they always take foreigners, the result is that the Italian talents don't grow in experience, in fact the quality of the national football team sucks

Yep, The coach's trust in young Italian players is very minimal in Serie A. AC Milan and other serie-A clubs, actually has many quality young Italian players from its academy, but they don't get much trust.

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Rumors are currently growing regarding Pioli future with Milan. after the 1-3 defeat to Dortmund will open the eyes of Milan officials to fire Pioli. Rumor, Milan is interested in replacing Pioli with Bologna coach Thiago Motta. We know, with players who are not very proportional, but Motta managed to draw with the top teams, Inter and Juventus and currently in 6^th position. Is it possible for Motta to be successful with Milan, if Milan fires Pioli? Or will this be another blunder for Milan?

The last golden generation of the Italian national team was formed in 2006, when they won the World Cup. After they all retired, their next generation no longer reached the same level, and we didn't even see a single star who had skills approaching the quality of Pirlo, Totti, or Del Piero, or other legends Cannavaro and Maldini. That's just part of it, even though the quota for local players is still maintained in Serie A, only their quality cannot reach the standards of a star player, so they will always be the first choice when playing at club level.

I think Pioli is not too bad at managing Milan, but to bring Milan to the Scudetto he is not the right person at the moment. His outdated tactics and strategies could not work optimally to catch up with the points left behind by Inter and Juventus. Most recently, he just made Milan defeated by Dortmund, previously Inter, Juventus and Udinese had beaten them at San Siro. In short, it would be better if Pioli were replaced, or it would make the situation even worse, Milan might be thrown out of the top four of the Serie A standings, especially in the UCL I thought there was no longer any hope.

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Quote from: giammangiato on November 29, 2023, 11:33:06 AM

Player	Goal
Lautaro Martínez	13
Domenico Berardi	7
Olivier Giroud	7
Andrea Colpani	6
Nicolás González	6
Romelu Lukaku	6
Victor Osimhen	6
Matías Soulé	6
Giacomo Bonaventura	5
Albert Gudmundsson	5
Andrea Pinamonti	5
Matteo Politano	5
Gianluca Scamacca	5
Dusan Vlahovic	5
Hakan Çalhanoglu	5
Federico Chiesa	4
Boulaye Dia	4
Ciro Immobile	4
Nikola Krstovic	4
Khvicha Kvaratskhelia	4
Ademola Lookman	4
Riccardo Orsolini	4

Lautaro Martínez continue to be a leader on goals ladder.
Domenico Berardi going in second position with 7 goals, good for him! and good for our national team italia

Ohh shit! Six goals for Victor Oshime? So much has really changed from last season. The mentality, the entire squad work rate and Victor Oshime's total goals scored are no way near what he did last season for a player that scored more that fifteen league goals for Napoli. I double doubt he'll get back is previous form from last season.

Lautaro Martinez trailed Victor Oshime last season for the race to the highest goals scored. Ademola Lookman likewise, I don't even know if he is anywhere near four goals this season. Eyes on Romelu Lukaku, he's got a good experience with this league, he's not just having enough creativity from his mates.

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Yep, The coach's trust in young Italian players is very minimal in Serie A. AC Milan and other serie-A clubs, actually has many quality young Italian players from its academy, but they don't get much trust.

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Rumors are currently growing regarding Pioli future with Milan. after the 1-3 defeat to Dortmund will open the eyes of Milan officials to fire Pioli. Rumor, Milan is interested in replacing Pioli with Bologna coach Thiago Motta. We know, with players who are not very proportional, but Motta managed to draw with the top teams, Inter and Juventus and currently in 6^th position. Is it possible for Motta to be successful with Milan, if Milan fires Pioli? Or will this be another blunder for Milan?

In Seria A, they're out of the competition to win the Scudetto and its bad news for them. AC Milan are weak against top flight teams, and this is so embarrassing for the board and the supporters. AC Milan suffered embarrassing defeats against Borrusia Dortmund. Stefano Pioli should be fired by the AC Milan board because he has nothing to offer the team. They continue to perform poorly, which has a negative impact on their performance in important events. Stefano Pioli must leave in order for a new coach to take over and provide new development to the team.

what I know at the moment is that Milan problem is just a lack of consistency and you can see that previously they were able to perform well but surprisingly their performance dropped drastically whereas what I predicted in yesterday match was that Milan should be able to hold a draw but in fact the defense was really very bad and that is the real problem point in Milan defenders are always inconsistent while the attackers have shown very good performances.

Its unlikely that firing Pioli will solve the problem, but what Milan needs is a defender who has better quality than this.

I also do not think that it is going to make a big difference if they actually fire Pioli. And they are also facing a lot of problems with injuries. I don't think that is the fault of a coach, to be honest. If anything he did a good job trying to bring in good players. Maybe he could have done a better job. But it is what it is. Now bringing in a new coach is not going to fix much. Especially not the problem of injuries. Maybe if they bring in a new and far better coach, probably the performance is going to improve. But it is definitely not going to be a difference of day and night.

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Quote from: Doell on November 29, 2023, 11:26:29 AM

Quote from: marcous on November 29, 2023, 09:53:21 AM

Juventus hopes of overtaking Inter are quite big in the future, especially if Inter advances further in the UCL which requires them to focus more there. I see that Juventus is better than Milan and Napoli in pressing Inter at the top of the standings for the time being, with the lack of match schedules and competition, Aleggri squad should fight optimally to get the Scudetto at the end of the season. However, I think they have to look for a new midfielder to cover the position left by Pogba, the transfer window is the best option and they have to move actively there.

Indeed, Juventus have a higher chance of overtaking Inter Milan, considering that Juventus this season is only focused on Serie A. This is different from Inter Milan, which requires them to focus more on the UCL, so Inter Milan performance in Serie A in doubt.
Of course, after losing Pogba, Juventus will looking for new players in the transfer window. But they are must to found the right player, there have been rumors some time ago that Juventus will recruit Pierre-Emile Højbjerg in the January transfer window and that man will be their main priority.

Well this is actually the two sides that are interrelated about Juventus this season, on the one hand it must be disappointing because they do not appear in the Champions League or other competitions in Europe, but on the other hand of course this is an advantage for them, because Juventus do not have a busy schedule as felt by Inter Milan. they can take advantage of this because if you look at the fitness of the players, of course Juventus are more advantaged in this case.
I've actually said this in the past, before the league started, yes they have two sides, one disappointing and one favorable.

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Quote from: masulum on November 29, 2023, 06:05:40 AM

Quote from: babo on November 29, 2023, 04:09:23 AM

in Italy for example, they always take foreigners, the result is that the Italian talents don't grow in experience, in fact the quality of the national football team sucks

Yep, The coach's trust in young Italian players is very minimal in Serie A. AC Milan and other serie-A clubs, actually has many quality young Italian players from its academy, but they don't get much trust.

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Rumors are currently growing regarding Pioli future with Milan. after the 1-3 defeat to Dortmund will open the eyes of Milan officials to fire Pioli. Rumor, Milan is interested in replacing Pioli with Bologna coach Thiago Motta. We know, with players who are not very proportional, but Motta managed to draw with the top teams, Inter and Juventus and currently in 6^th position. Is it possible for Motta to be successful with Milan, if Milan fires Pioli? Or will this be another blunder for Milan?

that Pioli wasn't adequate had already been in the air for a long time, he managed to move forward thanks to the strength of the team, really powerful on paper
but in my opinion he wasn't capable of managing a team like Milan, a little like Rudi Garcia with Napoli

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Player	Goal
Lautaro Martínez	13
Domenico Berardi	7
Olivier Giroud	7
Andrea Colpani	6
Nicolás González	6
Romelu Lukaku	6
Victor Osimhen	6
Matías Soulé	6
Giacomo Bonaventura	5
Albert Gudmundsson	5
Andrea Pinamonti	5
Matteo Politano	5
Gianluca Scamacca	5
Dusan Vlahovic	5
Hakan Çalhanoglu	5
Federico Chiesa	4
Boulaye Dia	4
Ciro Immobile	4
Nikola Krstovic	4
Khvicha Kvaratskhelia	4
Ademola Lookman	4
Riccardo Orsolini	4

Lautaro Martínez continue to be a leader on goals ladder.
Domenico Berardi going in second position with 7 goals, good for him! and good for our national team italia

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Quote from: marcous on November 29, 2023, 09:53:21 AM

Juventus hopes of overtaking Inter are quite big in the future, especially if Inter advances further in the UCL which requires them to focus more there. I see that Juventus is better than Milan and Napoli in pressing Inter at the top of the standings for the time being, with the lack of match schedules and competition, Aleggri squad should fight optimally to get the Scudetto at the end of the season. However, I think they have to look for a new midfielder to cover the position left by Pogba, the transfer window is the best option and they have to move actively there.

Indeed, Juventus have a higher chance of overtaking Inter Milan, considering that Juventus this season is only focused on Serie A. This is different from Inter Milan, which requires them to focus more on the UCL, so Inter Milan performance in Serie A in doubt.
Of course, after losing Pogba, Juventus will looking for new players in the transfer window. But they are must to found the right player, there have been rumors some time ago that Juventus will recruit Pierre-Emile Højbjerg in the January transfer window and that man will be their main priority.

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Quote from: klidex on November 29, 2023, 08:33:54 AM

Actually, Juventus has a very good chance this season because Juventus does not play in other competitions except in the domestic league. However Juventus strong rival Intermilan is an obstacle for Juventus to get the scudetto because Inter Milan is also trying to balance the stability of the team to play in two competitions, the Champions League and the domestic league, even to shift Inter's position is also quite difficult because Inter has played impressively so far.
So Juventus have to fight even harder while waiting for Inter Milan to slip from its position and Juventus can take over that position, but on condition that Juventus continues to appear consistent and stays close to Inter Milan.

I don't think that's a big advantage for Juventus because there is never a reason for big teams to put aside their focus on fighting for the domestic league title and prioritize the European title, of course these things will be pursued simultaneously.
Juventus does have quite good strength this season but the other Serie A teams also do so so it is very likely that there will be quite fierce competition this season for the Scudetto.

After all, the obstacle about Juventus is not because of Inter have impressive performance, but the obstacle for Juventus is because Juventus itself still does not have a more impressive performance than Inter. Anyway, if for example this moment Juventus can be more impressive than Inter then of course, Juventus will get the top position in the Serie A standings for this season. But unfortunately, although Juventus only play in the domestic league this season but ya, the reality is that Juventus still do not have a better performance than rival teams in the title race, especially about Inter. With these factors, it is no wonder if Juventus still not easy to get the Scudetto this season.

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Quote from: Docnaster on November 29, 2023, 04:45:08 AM

Juventus without doubt stands a better chance among other top Italian teams that are trying to overtake Inter Milan in the league standings because of the fact that they're currently not playing in any European competition but that doesn't automatically mean that Inter can't hold on as the league leaders till the end of the season if they truly want to achieve that feat despite their involvement in the UEFA Champions League competition.

In 2010, a Jose Mourinho's Inter Milan won the UEFA Champions League title, the Italian Serie title as well as the Italian Cup and the current Simone Inzaghi's squad can still replicate the same result this season if they work very hard for it.

It's obvious that they are playing a better game this season, and it was always obvious that they had the better squad as well. I mean Italy for some reason is losing money left and right, they are not paying as well as some of the other leagues now and because of that they are not building teams that great.

The shock to the world when they had 3 finalists last year was a big one, everyone assumed that they would do worse and yet somehow they have done better and that's a big deal, I do applaud them for their success, but that is not expected, in fact, I do not expect a single finalist this season, there are other nations who have better teams in all competitions that should be able to beat them. Juventus is outlier here, they do have some money, and they can build a decent squad.

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Quote from: Davian144 on November 29, 2023, 07:04:10 AM

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Of course, this season Juventus is the most favored to get the Scudetto trophy this season, because as you said, Juventus doesn't have a big schedule so the players' fitness and concentration don't decrease. This is very different from other Scudetto competitors who have very busy schedules, of course their stamina will be drained and players will even easily suffer injuries which will make them unable to compete for the Scudetto trophy.

As long as Inter Milan is still strong enough and its main players do not suffer more injuries, it looks like the competition between Inter Milan and Juventus will continue to be fierce until the end of this season. Because even though Inter Milan has a busy playing schedule and Juventus is not like that, Inter Milan will still have the potential to get the Scudetto trophy this season as long as Inter Milan never makes any mistakes in the match or can continue to get points while competing in Serie A this season

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So in essence, if asked who has the most potential to win the Scudetto this season, the answer is of course Juventus, but with the condition that you must not underestimate any opponent, and Allegri must be able to use all his organizational abilities. strategy in each match so that you can remain consistent.

At the moment it cannot be said like that because Inter Milan is still the leader of the Serie A standings even though Juventus is also very close to Inter Milan in the runner-up position in the standings. Because Juventus fans still have to hope that Juventus can overtake Inter Milan in the next match or hope that Inter Milan can lose or draw in the next match so that Juventus can take first place from Inter Milan even though they have to win the match.

Juventus has been performing well. The actual surprising thing in my opinion is that they have been facing a lot of problems recently. But they have not now they are in the second position of the table. It is definitely not going to be a terrible idea to think that they might actually win the league title. But I think they should be worried about the team that is right ahead of them at this moment. Inter is also looking really dangerous. If anyone asked me to be honest, I think I would say there is going to be a very big competition between Juventus and Inter for the title. And the winner is probably going to be one of those two.

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