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Quote from: Velvet78 on September 15, 2023, 03:36:17 AM

Lautaro Martinez is a really special player. No matter with whom he plays in the attacking line he still continues to show the same performance. He has scored nearly all of Inter's goals in the league this season so far. He has made a duo with Thuram after Lukaku and Dzeko's departures. However Thuram is also a decent player now.

Because of Martinez's high level performance Inter wouldn't like to sell him until he gets quite old that's for sure. But I'm curious about whether Martinez will have the same thing in his mind for a long time. For now he is really happy to be a part of this team. Inter had better maintain their success consistently.

This is one player that Intermilan might be depending on to secure a victory against Acmilan due to his very brilliant performance, if not that Lukaku left i would had said they'll beat their rivals due to the good chemistry between both players previously, but i love the connection between him and Thuram who's also a good player, and I can't wait to see their performance against a big side this season and i expect Lautaro Martinez to score against Acmilan.
I love how he's enjoying his time a Inter Milan and is currently their star player, he's been very impressive for the past two seasons and is a very important player for them so i don't think they'll likely let him go yet, except for a very good offer, anyways he's a fine play and has impressed the fans with good scoring ability and if he continues with this performance he could get the golden boot ahead of oshimen and Giroud this season.

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Everything is getting worse for Pogba is this season and he was injured for a long time and I think he is still injured, Pogba's test is now positive and Juventus wants to hire another palyer to take his place in the team because he is going to get suspended for four years, probably.

I heard they found high testosterone level in his blood test and they will try to identify what substance he used and for which reasons. Apparently he is trying to cheat and this will cost him a lot. His career isn't good even when he was in Manchester United and things just got worse and worse with Juventus.
By the way Juventus will face Lazio home which is one of the best matches this weekend along with Milan derby. Even Fiorentina and Atalanta match should be interesting.

If Paul Pogba really committed doping, his career could officially end. He couldn't play properly anyway due to injuries. If there is a doping scandal on top of that, it may be time for Pogba to build a different future. Players who experience such scandals usually end their sports future. I hope this is a simple mistake and Pogba did not make a mistake that will affect his future.

Paul Pogba has taken doping that is why his first dope test came back positive. He will be dope tested one more time to confirm the results of his test and if his dope test comes positive then his career will end here. A player who has already been sidelined for most of the season due to injury, then another accusation against him is really career threatening right now. If a major ban is handed down it will be a very difficult matter for him to perform after that ban and even more so it is doubtful that any club will be interested in taking him further. Since the first test is positive, the second test is very likely to be positive.

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Quote from: posi on September 14, 2023, 08:19:52 PM

The hype is really unreal for the Inter versus Milan match. Right now inter is ahead in terms of goal difference. But I don’t think they are actually thinking about that right now. The first priority is to win this match not think about the goal difference. And if Milan can actually win this match, they will not have any problems because of the goal difference because there will be a head in terms of points. So the priority for both of the teams is to win this match in my opinion. Of course, the match might actually end in a draw. That is going to make things interesting because the goal difference is going to stay the same. The deadlock is definitely going to be broken in my opinion.

This could no doubt be the toughest match this week across all European leagues, and the most important thing is both steams are fairly strong and there would be no excuses by fans why any of them lose , however i think Intermilan stand a good chance of winning based in the previous stats and this season they've had new players that are currently performing well for the team
Acmilan on the other hand are not a small team and have also blistered their squad making them very tough to compete against and you'll be shocked to see Acmilan winning because currently they've got new finishers that's understand eachother and would do everything wetin them to deliver them against Inter Milan, anyways there would be much goals so my prediction is that the game would end with 1.5 goals or more and a goal from both teams.

This is the Milan Derby which always presents a fierce match especially since it is still early in the season and both teams look quite good at the start of the season so I don't think anyone is superior in this match because both still have the same chance of winning the match.
And for betting choices, I agree that it is better and more likely to win by choosing goal over in this match, AC Milan and Inter Milan have been quite productive in the first 3 seasons they have played so there is a big possibility that this will also happen in this match.

Inter Milan VS AC Milan

a match that might attract attention at this time knowing that both have the same strong squad, both won 3 matches simultaneously and both have 9 points and both are at the top of the standings. but it seems like Inter Milan is the favorite team at the moment and many are betting on Inter Milan because they have a bigger chance of winning. Let's see in the match that will take place later whether AC Milan is able to beat Inter Milan and occupy first place in the standings.

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Lautaro Martinez is a really special player. No matter with whom he plays in the attacking line he still continues to show the same performance. He has scored nearly all of Inter's goals in the league this season so far. He has made a duo with Thuram after Lukaku and Dzeko's departures. However Thuram is also a decent player now.

Because of Martinez's high level performance Inter wouldn't like to sell him until he gets quite old that's for sure. But I'm curious about whether Martinez will have the same thing in his mind for a long time. For now he is really happy to be a part of this team. Inter had better maintain their success consistently.

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Quote from: shogun47 on September 15, 2023, 02:05:08 AM

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yes, be careful not to mix things up, Pogba wasn't present "enough", so I don't think his absence will be too noticeable
Lazio, well a team that I can never predict, I never bet on Lazio matches for this reason, I wouldn't take the result for granted

i not bet nothing in Juventus - Lazio

At least I am sure that Lazio will not repeat against Juventus Turin what they have done against Napoli Cheesy

For everyone who has watched the game or has seen the statistics of that game, I am sure you guys know what I mean. This was one of the most one-sided games I have seen that ended in favor of the weaker team. Napoli controlled the whole game and got two chances against them, both ended in a goal for Lazio. We could discuss about efficiency now and that Napoli is to blame of course, but still we all know these games when afterwards it feels almost unfair that the better team couldn't win. The game was an important result for Lazio and a setback for Napoli. If Lazio is again as passive, I doubt that they'll be able to win it again like that.

the thing is, we can't know
Lazio is an unpredictable team, you don't know how many bets I lost because of them
many, which is why I have always said (read my history) I don't bet when Lazio plays
loses against the small teams and then maybe wins against Napoli... crazy

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Juventus vs Lazio

This is a big match where sometimes the results are not always right and even though Juventus could win, something else that doesn't make sense will overturn the result. Maybe I wouldn't bet on this match considering the volatility is too high and it wouldn't be surprising if there was a much more surprising result later. If you look at the existing statistics, Juventus can always beat Lazio at home and even though there is specific data, I still doubt that Juventus will win this time.

Perhaps the most surprising thing is that Lazio will be able to beat Juventus from these statistical results and enable Lazio to update the standings this week. Well, I will enjoy this match and if there is a chance I will place a bet while the match is already underway.

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Quote from: babo on September 15, 2023, 01:28:21 AM

yes, be careful not to mix things up, Pogba wasn't present "enough", so I don't think his absence will be too noticeable
Lazio, well a team that I can never predict, I never bet on Lazio matches for this reason, I wouldn't take the result for granted

i not bet nothing in Juventus - Lazio

At least I am sure that Lazio will not repeat against Juventus Turin what they have done against Napoli Cheesy

For everyone who has watched the game or has seen the statistics of that game, I am sure you guys know what I mean. This was one of the most one-sided games I have seen that ended in favor of the weaker team. Napoli controlled the whole game and got two chances against them, both ended in a goal for Lazio. We could discuss about efficiency now and that Napoli is to blame of course, but still we all know these games when afterwards it feels almost unfair that the better team couldn't win. The game was an important result for Lazio and a setback for Napoli. If Lazio is again as passive, I doubt that they'll be able to win it again like that.

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Quote from: Sebas.tian on September 14, 2023, 11:47:41 PM

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Everything is getting worse for Pogba is this season and he was injured for a long time and I think he is still injured, Pogba's test is now positive and Juventus wants to hire another palyer to take his place in the team because he is going to get suspended for four years, probably.

I heard they found high testosterone level in his blood test and they will try to identify what substance he used and for which reasons. Apparently he is trying to cheat and this will cost him a lot. His career isn't good even when he was in Manchester United and things just got worse and worse with Juventus.
By the way Juventus will face Lazio home which is one of the best matches this weekend along with Milan derby. Even Fiorentina and Atalanta match should be interesting.

I don't think, Paul Pogba will escape in this case because he don't look like innocent in this matter because the way he play ball in the field you will know that he is addicted to something despite he is good in handle his position very well. Many teams that released Paul Pogba to another teams did it for this drugs reason, because they don't want their team to bear a bad name like what is happening to Juventus now. I don't think this issues on ground will affect Juventus not to win Lazio in this match, because they have potential squads that can make Juventus to disgrace Lazio 2-0 in their home to maintain a good position in the Italian league table.

yes, be careful not to mix things up, Pogba wasn't present "enough", so I don't think his absence will be too noticeable
Lazio, well a team that I can never predict, I never bet on Lazio matches for this reason, I wouldn't take the result for granted

i not bet nothing in Juventus - Lazio

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Quote from: Sebas.tian on September 14, 2023, 11:47:41 PM

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Everything is getting worse for Pogba is this season and he was injured for a long time and I think he is still injured, Pogba's test is now positive and Juventus wants to hire another palyer to take his place in the team because he is going to get suspended for four years, probably.

I heard they found high testosterone level in his blood test and they will try to identify what substance he used and for which reasons. Apparently he is trying to cheat and this will cost him a lot. His career isn't good even when he was in Manchester United and things just got worse and worse with Juventus.
By the way Juventus will face Lazio home which is one of the best matches this weekend along with Milan derby. Even Fiorentina and Atalanta match should be interesting.

I don't think, Paul Pogba will escape in this case because he don't look like innocent in this matter because the way he play ball in the field you will know that he is addicted to something despite he is good in handle his position very well. Many teams that released Paul Pogba to another teams did it for this drugs reason, because they don't want their team to bear a bad name like what is happening to Juventus now. I don't think this issues on ground will affect Juventus not to win Lazio in this match, because they have potential squads that can make Juventus to disgrace Lazio 2-0 in their home to maintain a good position in the Italian league table.

The first test has been positive and pogba urges authority to re-analyze his second sample, which meant if pogba is putting all of his hopes in the result of it. It's likely the result will not be so far from the previous test.
I think that if pogba needs to perpare himself to retire from playing football if the second test will be proven him positve dopping. It's not understandable to see him used dopping to boost his stamina.
It doesn't even matter what kind of his excuses and he will be sanctioned very soon. I didn't expect anything else from the result of the second test. Pogba is likely leaving from the club through horrible ways.
He will be terminated + banned from serie a. That's so sad to see how pogba must have ended his career through the terrible ways like this.

I hope pogba learned a lot from this case.

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Quote from: Awaklara on September 14, 2023, 11:02:37 PM

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This season both teams started quite well and in terms of quality there is no significant difference between the two, this will be a match that is quite difficult to predict.
No one doubts that this match will be quite fierce, despite the injuries to several of their main players, but I am quite sure that these two teams have quite the same backing.
I have watched the performance of Inter Milan and AC Milan this season and I think both have almost the same strength and in the Milan derby this weekend maybe a draw is fair enough for both.

Both started the season well. but in my opinion, Inter has a better defense than Milan. and it will be a challenge for Milan to be able to dismantle Inter's defense to create gaps to create opportunities.
both of them have sharp front lines. It is possible that in the next match, there will be a fight in the middle of the field where both of them will make a strategy to find a gap in one of the players who might lose concentration.

A draw might be the best chance, but I'm willing to bet Inter will win by a slim goal difference.

Real rivalry always displays tension, the ambition carried by both clubs is interesting to digest. Inter defense line, which has not conceded a goal, will face a test when facing Milan, Lautaro Martinez is also no less sharp on Inter front line and has already scored 5 goals. AC Milan has the ambition to break the series of bad results when they meet Inter, with the depth of the current squad being the right moment to make it happen. Talking about opportunities, Inter has a better percentage than Milan, a draw is difficult because both want the difference in points at the top of the standings.

The tactical battle between Stefano Pioli and Filippo Inzaghi to be the best this season is really worth waiting for, this match will also be a parameter for the success of both sides as a result of movements in the transfer market. The overall results of this week's matches will change the Serie A standings again.

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Everything is getting worse for Pogba is this season and he was injured for a long time and I think he is still injured, Pogba's test is now positive and Juventus wants to hire another palyer to take his place in the team because he is going to get suspended for four years, probably.

I heard they found high testosterone level in his blood test and they will try to identify what substance he used and for which reasons. Apparently he is trying to cheat and this will cost him a lot. His career isn't good even when he was in Manchester United and things just got worse and worse with Juventus.
By the way Juventus will face Lazio home which is one of the best matches this weekend along with Milan derby. Even Fiorentina and Atalanta match should be interesting.

I don't think, Paul Pogba will escape in this case because he don't look like innocent in this matter because the way he play ball in the field you will know that he is addicted to something despite he is good in handle his position very well. Many teams that released Paul Pogba to another teams did it for this drugs reason, because they don't want their team to bear a bad name like what is happening to Juventus now. I don't think this issues on ground will affect Juventus not to win Lazio in this match, because they have potential squads that can make Juventus to disgrace Lazio 2-0 in their home to maintain a good position in the Italian league table.

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This season both teams started quite well and in terms of quality there is no significant difference between the two, this will be a match that is quite difficult to predict.
No one doubts that this match will be quite fierce, despite the injuries to several of their main players, but I am quite sure that these two teams have quite the same backing.
I have watched the performance of Inter Milan and AC Milan this season and I think both have almost the same strength and in the Milan derby this weekend maybe a draw is fair enough for both.

Both started the season well. but in my opinion, Inter has a better defense than Milan. and it will be a challenge for Milan to be able to dismantle Inter's defense to create gaps to create opportunities.
both of them have sharp front lines. It is possible that in the next match, there will be a fight in the middle of the field where both of them will make a strategy to find a gap in one of the players who might lose concentration.

A draw might be the best chance, but I'm willing to bet Inter will win by a slim goal difference.

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Quote from: Jateng on September 14, 2023, 09:51:57 PM

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This is a big match. Inter or AC Milan, both teams have the chance to win this match. It will be one of the biggest derbies of the season and one of the biggest matches in Serie A. I avoid making predictions in such big matches because there are doubts about which team will win. In my opinion, the possibility of mutual goals is higher in this balanced match.

It's interesting to note that Inter Milan is favored in the forthcoming matchup with AC Milan. I think The powerful attack of AC Milan does in fact constitute a serious danger. Inter recent domination in their head-to-head meetings, though might tip the scales in their favor. This season for both teams are on an equal footing which heightens the intrigue of this matchup. The weekend promises a thrilling clash that is impossible to foresee with precision because the opponents are so evenly matched.

Yeah talking about intermilan vs acmilan is a pretty interesting topic. These clubs are still remain unbeaten club till the 4th weeks of serie a. The upcoming match will determine which one that is still holding the name as an unbeaten club in serie a this season.
Many big clubs in serie a like juventus, lazio or even napoli have beens struggling with their performances. Im feeling so confidence with intermilan's squad caused by there was no serious injury affected the main player of this club but acmilan probably will lose giroud due to his ankle injury.
There's no further update coming from giroud's injury. Luka is obviously playing once giroud will miss that match. Intermilan is far stronger than acmilan since last season. Intermilan is slightly better than acmilan at this moment.
Luka jovic may start his debut against intermilan. It's pretty interesting to see him. to stay his journey in intermilan against strongest team in serie a now.

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Quote from: Jateng on September 14, 2023, 09:51:57 PM

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This is a big match. Inter or AC Milan, both teams have the chance to win this match. It will be one of the biggest derbies of the season and one of the biggest matches in Serie A. I avoid making predictions in such big matches because there are doubts about which team will win. In my opinion, the possibility of mutual goals is higher in this balanced match.

It's interesting to note that Inter Milan is favored in the forthcoming matchup with AC Milan. I think The powerful attack of AC Milan does in fact constitute a serious danger. Inter recent domination in their head-to-head meetings, though might tip the scales in their favor. This season for both teams are on an equal footing which heightens the intrigue of this matchup. The weekend promises a thrilling clash that is impossible to foresee with precision because the opponents are so evenly matched.

@Jateng while both team’s started well but post the international break that momentum often goes away but Inter Milan latest record of winning against Milan could provide them a psychological boost. Also it seems that Inter has no injuries scare which will further help boost their confidence as they head into this crucial match which could determine who takes a step closer to winning the Scudetto.

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Quote from: RaltcoinsB on September 14, 2023, 07:41:24 PM

This is a big match. Inter or AC Milan, both teams have the chance to win this match. It will be one of the biggest derbies of the season and one of the biggest matches in Serie A. I avoid making predictions in such big matches because there are doubts about which team will win. In my opinion, the possibility of mutual goals is higher in this balanced match.

It's interesting to note that Inter Milan is favored in the forthcoming matchup with AC Milan. I think The powerful attack of AC Milan does in fact constitute a serious danger. Inter recent domination in their head-to-head meetings, though might tip the scales in their favor. This season for both teams are on an equal footing which heightens the intrigue of this matchup. The weekend promises a thrilling clash that is impossible to foresee with precision because the opponents are so evenly matched.

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Quote from: Litzki1990 on September 14, 2023, 04:51:12 AM

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this is one more problem that Juventus has to face, while several problems that Juventus has been through since last season have been resolved and now there is a new problem regarding doping used by Pogba. Most will not be convinced of this doping use because this is just a rumor that has been exaggerated to complicate Juventus situation and I think that the teams top officials do not need to do anything for this player, I mean Juventus not need to sell this player because if there really is a chance of recovery this is will provide good news because Pogba is a reliable player who can make a good contribution to Juventus in the future.

Pogba is a reliable midfielder so he is much needed at Juventus but his career now depends on the outcome of the second drop test. In case the result is positive in the first drop test, the star will be drop tested again to be confirmed. If the result comes positive in the second test too, then this player will definitely face ban. If he is banned for three months or six months, Juventus may not think about his ban, but if he is banned for more than one year, two years or three years, then the club will not want to keep him. If a player cannot play for two to three years, then Juventus will not keep him in the club with a salary. Hopefully, his second drop test will come back negative and he will be back on the pitch wearing a Juventus jersey.

as we have said here that many people do not believe that Pogba is using doping and I also say that this is just like news without any truth and everyone hopes that the second test will have a negative result.

I can not imagine what Pogba future will be like if he is confirmed to have used doping and definitely has the desire to retire when he gets a very long ban, even though on the one hand, this player performance is very good and a player who can help Juventus to recover this season, but unfortunately fate changed everything.

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Quote from: arimamib on September 14, 2023, 06:52:38 PM

Yes, it's a pretty hot derby that can provide a game that is difficult to predict. I think Inter Milan will try to maintain their winning streak against their rivals in this match. The Inter Milan squad is really ready to beat AC Milan in this match and I believe Martinez can repeat his best moment to break through Maignan's goal again.

On both sides, it is believed that both teams will go down with the perfect squad in this match. But AC Milan seems to have had bad luck because of the latest news that their striker Giroud is rumored to be missing this match due to an injury he suffered in an international match which made him absent. So AC Milan will be without Giroud in this match and I hope they don't lose again in this match.

I also heard news about this. Namely regarding Olivier Giroud, who reportedly may be absent due to the injury he suffered in the Euro 2024 qualifying match between France vs Ireland. Even though I didn't watch the match. However, when he heard the news that Olivier Giroud had suffered an ankle injury in that match. I understand that AC Milan must feel pessimistic when they hear this. Especially the coach Stefano Pioli. Because after all Giroud is really needed at Ac Milan. But fortunately it turns out that Olivier Giroud's injury is not too serious. Well this is good news.

Then in an article it was said that Giroud had been seen taking part in a training session with the AC Milan squad. And this certainly indicates that Giroud will not miss the Derby della Madonnina against Inter Milan. I am also happy after knowing this and Stefano Pioli can definitely breathe a sigh of relief now. The reason is, he can field an AC Milan squad with maximum strength.
Even though he is no longer young, I think Giroud is still really needed and is one of the key players at AC Milan.
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Quote from: QueenVera on September 14, 2023, 08:33:43 PM

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The hype is really unreal for the Inter versus Milan match. Right now inter is ahead in terms of goal difference. But I don’t think they are actually thinking about that right now. The first priority is to win this match not think about the goal difference. And if Milan can actually win this match, they will not have any problems because of the goal difference because there will be a head in terms of points. So the priority for both of the teams is to win this match in my opinion. Of course, the match might actually end in a draw. That is going to make things interesting because the goal difference is going to stay the same. The deadlock is definitely going to be broken in my opinion.

This could no doubt be the toughest match this week across all European leagues, and the most important thing is both steams are fairly strong and there would be no excuses by fans why any of them lose , however i think Intermilan stand a good chance of winning based in the previous stats and this season they've had new players that are currently performing well for the team
Acmilan on the other hand are not a small team and have also blistered their squad making them very tough to compete against and you'll be shocked to see Acmilan winning because currently they've got new finishers that's understand eachother and would do everything wetin them to deliver them against Inter Milan, anyways there would be much goals so my prediction is that the game would end with 1.5 goals or more and a goal from both teams.

This is the Milan Derby which always presents a fierce match especially since it is still early in the season and both teams look quite good at the start of the season so I don't think anyone is superior in this match because both still have the same chance of winning the match.
And for betting choices, I agree that it is better and more likely to win by choosing goal over in this match, AC Milan and Inter Milan have been quite productive in the first 3 seasons they have played so there is a big possibility that this will also happen in this match.

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Quote from: snipie on September 14, 2023, 05:22:42 PM

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Everything is getting worse for Pogba is this season and he was injured for a long time and I think he is still injured, Pogba's test is now positive and Juventus wants to hire another palyer to take his place in the team because he is going to get suspended for four years, probably.

I heard they found high testosterone level in his blood test and they will try to identify what substance he used and for which reasons. Apparently he is trying to cheat and this will cost him a lot. His career isn't good even when he was in Manchester United and things just got worse and worse with Juventus.
By the way Juventus will face Lazio home which is one of the best matches this weekend along with Milan derby. Even Fiorentina and Atalanta match should be interesting.

If Paul Pogba really committed doping, his career could officially end. He couldn't play properly anyway due to injuries. If there is a doping scandal on top of that, it may be time for Pogba to build a different future. Players who experience such scandals usually end their sports future. I hope this is a simple mistake and Pogba did not make a mistake that will affect his future.

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Quote from: Silence Scream on September 14, 2023, 08:43:48 PM

Paul Pogba's luck was not good after injuries. He became chronically disabled, in a constant state of disability. I am sure he is no longer in Juventus' future plans, and I can no longer think of a team that will transfer him. He cannot go to one of the big teams because his injuries are too many and last for a long time. He will probably way to Saudi Arabia next year.

It looks to be a serious problem for Pogba but if he is strong, he can keep fighting. Some players had to end their career by injuries and failed to recover but there are players who came back very strongly like Ramsey (Arsenal player). Pogba is strong in mentality and he can look at successful recovered players like Ramsey to keep up his hope to rebuild his career.

The last two years are nightmare for Pogba but it is not the end of his career or the world. He is still young and can have enough time to come back.

Quote from: Leviathan.007 on September 14, 2023, 06:17:23 PM

Now there is another problem for Pogba in Juventus, after they confirmed his positive doping test, Pogba is under more pressure and he made another problem for Juventus.
But that's possible for Juventus to cup his salary because of the positive doping test. According to the rules in Italy, they can cut his salary.
This way Juventus can save around 30 million, they were paying him 8 million yearly.

Juventus and Pogba have to wait for confirmation of the second sample testing result and conclusion that Pogba is actually positive doping tested or it is only a false positive testing result with his first blood sample. Even if Pogba can exit this doping case without a ban, his career is still in danger by injuries but most important information now will be result of the second sample test.

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