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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on May 29, 2023, 12:25:52 PM

Juventus had the worst season they could have and there are not guilty of it because they lost some points during this season due to the penalty and it had a negative effect on the team. Maybe that's the team didn't have a good atmosphere at all and they lost the game against Ac MIlan with a 1-0 result when they could even beat Ac MIlan in a normal situation.
Next week they have to face Udinese and this can be an easy game for them because, in the last five games, these two teams had against each other, Udinese could never beat Juventus and last time in this season Juventus won the game with a 1-0 result.

I agree with you Juventus had a terrible season. Seventh place in Serie A, remained without the Champions League for the first time in 12 years, but the worst thing is that for two years we do not see any development, only regression. No trophies won in 2 years, which for a club with such a history and potential is also a failure.
Maybe Juventus management have only Allegri's contacts in their notebook and they just can't get through to other top coaches.

While the strategy of the club's management remains a mystery, what they will do is unclear. Apparently they do not want to change Allegri, because you can make it worse and that's the only reason they tolerate him for now.

Their many internal problems as well as the poor condition of the players has no doubt made them in this position now.
In fact, this also cannot be completely blamed on performance because indeed if there is no mistake from the higher ups in their finances and they don't do anything dirty then they are still in the top standings but bad things do happen. an actual mistake on purpose deserves a penalty and now the points deduction that sent them down to 7th place is inevitable.

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Quote from: Awaklara on May 29, 2023, 11:29:34 AM

the situation could be profitable for Juventus if Roma loses or draw in the last game. and Juventus got the win. that would make 1 Europa League ticket for Juventus. now all they can hope for is the luck of the outcome of Roma vs Spezia. although we know Roma will not waste this precious opportunity either. they can go to the UCL if they become Europa League winners. Roma will have to work hard to beat Sevilla

Roma also hasn't won in the last 5 matches, so I think in the last match, at least against Spezia, they have to win because that will risk them qualifying for the European league, even if they fail in the final then there is still hope for the next season. especially to win the European League title, of course it will be a great achievement with Mourinho.

Juventus will also be waiting for the match between Roma vs Spezia as long as they can win the match with Udinese as the away team, well this will be very interesting Roma also certainly won't let it drop points again this is very important for them.

On the other hand, Spezia and Verona both want to get out of their degradation.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on May 29, 2023, 12:25:52 PM

Juventus had the worst season they could have and there are not guilty of it because they lost some points during this season due to the penalty and it had a negative effect on the team. Maybe that's the team didn't have a good atmosphere at all and they lost the game against Ac MIlan with a 1-0 result when they could even beat Ac MIlan in a normal situation.
Next week they have to face Udinese and this can be an easy game for them because, in the last five games, these two teams had against each other, Udinese could never beat Juventus and last time in this season Juventus won the game with a 1-0 result.

I agree with you Juventus had a terrible season. Seventh place in Serie A, remained without the Champions League for the first time in 12 years, but the worst thing is that for two years we do not see any development, only regression. No trophies won in 2 years, which for a club with such a history and potential is also a failure.
Maybe Juventus management have only Allegri's contacts in their notebook and they just can't get through to other top coaches.

While the strategy of the club's management remains a mystery, what they will do is unclear. Apparently they do not want to change Allegri, because you can make it worse and that's the only reason they tolerate him for now.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on May 29, 2023, 07:05:43 AM

You had better check the league rules again mate.

Besides I didn't say that Juventus' beating Milan by at least two goals would carry them ahead of Milan right away. It looks like you didn't read my post careful enough but no problem. I said that if Juventus win against them like that they were going to have one last chance on the final week of the season. In that case let's say Juventus won and Milan got a draw or loss, then Juventus would take the fourth position from them as a result. I hope you get my point now.

If I am not wrong this applies when the points are equal and the goal difference is equal too, is it not? I think that's the third thing that is looked it, is it the second? I always thought first the points, then the goal difference and then the head to head to check the rankings. If the goal difference doesn't matter does that mean Juventus could have 8 less difference, and could still win with 1 goal difference at head to head for example?

That doesn't feel rewarding, you play so many games all season long and you are better, but because of one bad game that means you are ranked lower due to head to head, it's unfair looking. Obviously the federation knows more than I do so if they did this then they might have considered all options I suppose.

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I regret to say that Dybala has had serious issues with injuries during this season. Maybe these injury time periods haven't lasted very long but he got injured quite often between October 2022 and May 2023. In this time interval he missed 18 matches in total which is a really serious amount in my opinion. This must be really annoying for Dybala also.

Because he was actually very helpful for Roma during the times he was able to play. He made a great contribution with 16 goals and 8 assists as a second striker mostly. This injury problem has even caused Mourinho to not prefer him in the starting eleven from time to time. But I hope he doesn't get injured this often next season because I believe he is one of the crucial players for Roma.

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Quote from: execijutiere on May 29, 2023, 12:53:58 PM

Lazio's opponent was the relegated Cremonese and of course they managed to win against their opponent.Although it was not an easy match for them, they had a small advantage because they were playing at home.They closed the first half 2-0 ahead with the goals they found in the first half.In the second half, Cremonese, who started fast and looked for goals, brought the situation to a draw in 13 minutes.They could not prevent Milinkovic's goal in the last minutes and they were defeated.
In the last and important match of the day, Milan managed to defeat juventus 1-0 away.Milan, who beat juventus away with the goal scored by giroud in the first half, increased their points to 67 while juventus remained on 59 points.Juventus could have won and they could have placed 5th with this win, but they could not take advantage of it.

Did you see Juventus' defeat to AC Milan as normal? I am putting Juventus ahead of AC Milan in all aspects starting from performance. Against AC Milan I thought Juventus would pretty much secure a win but they failed. How do you see this defeat?

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Quote from: G_Besar on May 29, 2023, 12:47:15 PM

But I think Roma also don't want to take risks in the match against Spezia. So maybe this match is not a priority for Roma because they are more preparing the team for the Europa League final. Of course the position in the standings in the race for a place in the Europa League next season is tough again. Juventus will most likely finish in that position even though it depends on the results of Roma vs Spezia.

Roma will not want to take any risks now. They will want to focus entirely on one side. Several important players of Roma are already injured. And so Mourinho will not want to take any risk in the match against Spezia. I guess Roma will try to draw the match by playing completely defensively in this match. The Roma team will not want to be defeated in the home match.
The Europa League final is very important for Mourinho. He has been fighting for the Europa League title since the start of the season. Although Roma's performance in Serie A has been erratic, Roma has played very well in the Europa League. Mourinho will try his best to win the Europa League title by defeating Sevilla.

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Lazio's opponent was the relegated Cremonese and of course they managed to win against their opponent.Although it was not an easy match for them, they had a small advantage because they were playing at home.They closed the first half 2-0 ahead with the goals they found in the first half.In the second half, Cremonese, who started fast and looked for goals, brought the situation to a draw in 13 minutes.They could not prevent Milinkovic's goal in the last minutes and they were defeated.
In the last and important match of the day, Milan managed to defeat juventus 1-0 away.Milan, who beat juventus away with the goal scored by giroud in the first half, increased their points to 67 while juventus remained on 59 points.Juventus could have won and they could have placed 5th with this win, but they could not take advantage of it.

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Quote from: Awaklara on May 29, 2023, 11:29:34 AM

the situation could be profitable for Juventus if Roma loses or draw in the last game. and Juventus got the win. that would make 1 Europa League ticket for Juventus. now all they can hope for is the luck of the outcome of Roma vs Spezia. although we know Roma will not waste this precious opportunity either. they can go to the UCL if they become Europa League winners. Roma will have to work hard to beat Sevilla

Juventus are in a good situation after getting sanctioned by the FIGC, the defeat they suffered again from Milan left them even more devastated. But actually the Bianconeri don't need to dissolve into a slump and get up soon, at least they have to be able to win the next game against Udinese to pursue the opportunity to finish in the Europa League zone.

But I think Roma also don't want to take risks in the match against Spezia. So maybe this match is not a priority for Roma because they are more preparing the team for the Europa League final. Of course the position in the standings in the race for a place in the Europa League next season is tough again. Juventus will most likely finish in that position even though it depends on the results of Roma vs Spezia.

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I think if Juventus managed to win last night, then their chances of playing in the European league would be easier to achieve, but it's just that they were unlucky after losing by a narrow score to Milan. These results have made Milan ensure its place in the champions league next season without any competition from the teams below it and Juventus still have another chance to secure a European league place if they can beat Udinese in the last game.

But even if Juventus fail to win again, it looks like they will be content enough to fill a place in the conference league. I think these results are still pretty good in relation to some of the problems that Juventus have faced throughout this season and they have to at least let go of the places they could previously reach for the champions league zone.

Milan just did what was required of him, and Juventus most likely could not recover, after they have been deducted 10 points again, and this crippled the team. I still hoped that they could be stronger than this, but the last two defeats deprived them of the chances for the top 4. Do Juventus need the Conference League, how high-status it is for them, I don’t know, my opinion is that it would be better if they stayed without the Conference League and focused on Serie A.

It is true that there is no profit for Juventus even if they manage to get a conference league place and indeed often Juventus become regulars for the Champions League or European League in a few seasons. But at least they have to accept the fact that next season Juventus will play the European number 3 competition. Moreover, Juventus' position will not change even if they lose and at least they have to win the last match if they want to go to a better place.

Maybe the failure in the last two matches had a big impact on the performance of the players because after the announcement of the problem of deducting points, Juventus were preparing to face Empoli, but they must have given up so much because they had heard the news that in the end they had to drop to 7th in the standings in two last week.

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Juventus had the worst season they could have and there are not guilty of it because they lost some points during this season due to the penalty and it had a negative effect on the team. Maybe that's the team didn't have a good atmosphere at all and they lost the game against Ac MIlan with a 1-0 result when they could even beat Ac MIlan in a normal situation.
Next week they have to face Udinese and this can be an easy game for them because, in the last five games, these two teams had against each other, Udinese could never beat Juventus and last time in this season Juventus won the game with a 1-0 result.

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Verona team had a big opportunity to escape the relegation zone and have much better chances at surviving if it weren't for the last minutes goal they conceided against empoli now they need to get points against milan and hope for spezia to lose against Roma team in the last round.

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Quote from: makishart on May 29, 2023, 11:16:31 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on May 29, 2023, 07:13:10 AM

By the way, I wonder if Roma goes to the Champions League, will Italy retain 2 tickets to the Europa League? I do not know this nuance.

I guess if it won't. It's caused by a team can't be affected by other team's success. That means if italy may be only getting 1 ticket for europa league. Roma was qualifying for europa league through serie a and juventus was below it. If roma will be winning europa league and it will be automatically qualified for UCL but juventus will remain to play in the conference league. Juventus can't get a place in europa league caused by as roma's success by winning europa league as team will be qualified for UCL. CMIIW

the situation could be profitable for Juventus if Roma loses or draw in the last game. and Juventus got the win. that would make 1 Europa League ticket for Juventus. now all they can hope for is the luck of the outcome of Roma vs Spezia. although we know Roma will not waste this precious opportunity either. they can go to the UCL if they become Europa League winners. Roma will have to work hard to beat Sevilla

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Quote from: KTChampions on May 29, 2023, 07:13:10 AM

By the way, I wonder if Roma goes to the Champions League, will Italy retain 2 tickets to the Europa League? I do not know this nuance.

I guess if it won't. It's caused by a team can't be affected by other team's success. That means if italy may be only getting 1 ticket for europa league. Roma was qualifying for europa league through serie a and juventus was below it. If roma will be winning europa league and it will be automatically qualified for UCL but juventus will remain to play in the conference league. Juventus can't get a place in europa league caused by as roma's success by winning europa league as team will be qualified for UCL. CMIIW

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After Milan's victory against Juventus, we know basically everything about the layout of the top part of the Serie A table. We already know the 4 teams that will play in the Champions League, it remains unknown which of the AS Roma, Atalanta and Juventus teams will play in the Conference League. Spezia and Verona are still fighting to stay in the league.

If Roma win the Europa League, then they will get a ticket and there will be 5 Italian teams in the Champions League. Have you forgotten about it? It will be a repeat of what happened to the German teams this year - 5 teams received direct tickets to the Champions League group stage. By the way, I wonder if Roma goes to the Champions League, will Italy retain 2 tickets to the Europa League? I do not know this nuance.

the possibility will still be the same, because tickets to the Champions League via the Europa League route already have their own slots. I think Serie A teams are starting to come back in European competition, they even now have their representative in the final, Inter Milan. We haven't seen something like this in a long time, that a Serie A team can compete so tightly with other teams from different leagues. Surely this is good news for Serie A football.

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Quote from: herurist on May 28, 2023, 02:48:13 PM

Juventus' first half against Milan ended with Milan's temporary advantage with a score of 0-1 thanks to Giroud's goal in the 40th minute.
It will be very interesting for the second half because for sure Juventus prioritize 3 points for this match especially the Europa League chances are very much there with the previous defeats of Atalanta and Roma but indeed if they lose it is still a little difficult for that.

The Juventus team will be devastated by the loss of the points, while the Ac Milan team will be thrilled to have the chance. The loss of 10 points will be the most upsetting thing for the squad; the team won't be as affected by the loss to other teams. Ac Milan qualify for the Champions League for the upcoming season despite dropping 10 points to Juventus.
It is really disappointing that Juventus did not even make it into the Europa League. My suggestion to the club is to put out even more effort the following season in order to do well and to stay away from anything that might hurt their standings.

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Quote from: rendravolt on May 29, 2023, 08:39:27 AM

I think if Juventus managed to win last night, then their chances of playing in the European league would be easier to achieve, but it's just that they were unlucky after losing by a narrow score to Milan. These results have made Milan ensure its place in the champions league next season without any competition from the teams below it and Juventus still have another chance to secure a European league place if they can beat Udinese in the last game.

But even if Juventus fail to win again, it looks like they will be content enough to fill a place in the conference league. I think these results are still pretty good in relation to some of the problems that Juventus have faced throughout this season and they have to at least let go of the places they could previously reach for the champions league zone.

Milan just did what was required of him, and Juventus most likely could not recover, after they have been deducted 10 points again, and this crippled the team. I still hoped that they could be stronger than this, but the last two defeats deprived them of the chances for the top 4. Do Juventus need the Conference League, how high-status it is for them, I don’t know, my opinion is that it would be better if they stayed without the Conference League and focused on Serie A.

Juventus have played very well for some time and they occupy a very good position in the points table. but suddenly they fell behind. today against AC Milan they conceded a goal in the 40" but couldn't recover that goal in the remaining 50+ minutes including extra time. Juventus did not expect such a sudden relegation. We know Juventus as a good team. But will they be able to bounce back and do well in the Italian league in this year?

But, what an intense match it was! Milan put up a great fight and win by 1-0, also they've officially qualified for the champions league next season. It's tough time for Juventus, it must be challenging to stay motivated and focused when you're no longer in contention for a top-four finish. I feel sad for them, especially given their points deduction at such a crucial stage of the season. Now they find themselves back in 7th place. Hopefully, this experience will give them as a valuable lesson, and they can use it as motivation to bounce back stronger than ever in the coming days.

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The deduction of point of Juventus cab be the main reason why they lost the match to AC Milan, if not for the deduction of Juventus point I don't think AC Milan will make it to be in the top four position. This season has really be a terrible one for Juventus, I know Juventus will do better next season.

Next season is still a question mark for all teams, but Juventus' defeat in yesterday's match with AC Milan actually had nothing to do with the number of points cut for Juventus, because the result of that match showed who was the best between the two. Because if Juventus don't get a point deduction, I think the story will be different even though the results of yesterday's match will also be the same, namely the defeat for the Juventus team against AC Milan.

But it cannot be accepted that a team like Juventus will lose to AC Milan. If you look at the previous seasons, AC Milan would not have been able to beat Juventus. Considering all these aspects, the performance of Juventus team is not very good, I want to say.

Juventus have not been in their best form this season, so it is very possible for team like ac milan to defeat Juventus.
I'm very sure ac milan this season is better than Juventus in performance, I'm not surprised if ac milan managed to defeat Juventus.

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Quote from: dwminer1 on May 29, 2023, 06:38:46 AM

After Milan's victory against Juventus, we know basically everything about the layout of the top part of the Serie A table. We already know the 4 teams that will play in the Champions League, it remains unknown which of the AS Roma, Atalanta and Juventus teams will play in the Conference League. Spezia and Verona are still fighting to stay in the league.

Four teams have been confirmed to go to the Champions League, while Atalanta, Roma and Juventus are still competing for two tickets to the Europa League. In this position Roma will benefit more if they win the Europa League, Roma will get a spot in the Champions League to accompany the four teams that managed to finish in the top four in the table.
Mourinho had anticipated the worst that could happen to Roma in the Europa League, they had to play with full concentration in the last match to secure a place in the Europa League.

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Quote from: zuzie on May 28, 2023, 10:05:43 AM

Yes Milan must have qualified for the Champions League because they only need one point, meaning they only need one draw in the next 2 matches
Let's just say that Juventus beat them but in the match against Verona, of course they don't want to lose because it's important and play at home
Anyway, Milan is already in a safe zone and one point is not difficult right I even believe they can still collect 3 more points.

An additional three points when they traveled to Juventus headquarters made AC Milan safely headed to the Champions League because it was impossible for Atalanta to catch up with their current points. AC Milan did not want to miss an opportunity in that match and did not let Juventus play openly, so that no goals were scored by the Juventus players. Olivier Giroud received a mature pass from Calabria and succeeded in bringing AC Milan ahead until the match was over.

The last match against Verona made AC Milan not have to work hard anymore because their position in fourth place was secure. Stefano Pioli can rotate players in the last game and give young players a chance, because any result will not affect them in the standings or the Champions League.

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