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Quote from: giammangiato on January 23, 2023, 11:43:42 AM

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3-3 in the end was not the result Juventus needed in this situation.

The turn is far to be over, we have 2 more games coming in Monday and Tuesday.

In fact, no, this match was a battle but it didn't bring advantages for my beloved team (Juventus) not to mention that they brought home 1 point with a lot of effort (and tiredness)
It's not a win, it's definitely a total loss.

I think it was still very good considering all the psychological trouble they have gone through this week. There is an unfair solution to what happened and injustice does bring down everyone's morale a lot, this caused Juventus to be upset and I would be upset too.

I am not denying that they did what is claimed, they probably did so, and other teams probably did it too, I am just saying that 15 point was too much, maybe a 6-9 points would be more decent, maybe just a fine would be enough, but 15 points? That's just injustice and hatred towards Juventus without a doubt. This is why them not even losing is enough, they did the best they could under these circumstances.

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Quote from: Ayers on January 23, 2023, 01:02:15 PM

The defensive performance of Juventus was the only reason why they did not end up winning the match in my opinion. And the mistake which was made early on in the match by the Juventus goalkeeper was also a reason for Juventus not winning the match in my opinion. If they could defend a little better, I think the results could have been a lot different.

And if I have to predict if they are going to go to the top three again, I will say that there is a chance still. But that chance is decreasing day by day.

Tough threat for the old lady's to qualify for the champions league Ned season. They're not holding back as things stand, they need to start been on streak winnings in games. Making mistakes in game is totally understandable because mistakes are inevitable. Juventus are a bit reluctant in the game against Atalanta yesterday, although their draw tie in the Allianz stadium was not encouraging after their points were deducted due to claims proofing about their illegal act in the transfer window.

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Quote from: Pulsar77 on January 23, 2023, 10:59:41 AM

Szczesny was responsible for the first goal. He should have saved that shot easily but he couldn't stop the ball with his hands. Juventus had a really bad defensive performance in this match at the same time. They could have even lost this match if Toloi didn't waste a big chance to make the score 4-3. Szczesny made up for his mistake a little by saving that great shot there. But this result is unacceptable for the team anyway. Juventus are better than this but they need their injured players as recovered as well.

As for their chance to climb the positions to top places I don't give it much chance while there is a huge gap like this. They had better work harder in the Europa League or Coppa Italia to win at least one of them.

The defensive performance of Juventus was the only reason why they did not end up winning the match in my opinion. And the mistake which was made early on in the match by the Juventus goalkeeper was also a reason for Juventus not winning the match in my opinion. If they could defend a little better, I think the results could have been a lot different.

And if I have to predict if they are going to go to the top three again, I will say that there is a chance still. But that chance is decreasing day by day.

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What about Inter's game against Empoli? It seems to me that after the Milan derby, Inter have spent a lot of energy. And Empoli are a solid mid-table club, who by the way have been playing well of late. Many people think that Inter have no problem to beat Empoli, especially on their home field. But I think there might be some surprises. For example, a draw.

If I consider the current situation and condition of Inter who are working hard to strengthen their position in the top four, then of course Inter will still win this match against Empoli. Because on a head to head basis too, when Inter played against Empoli both home and away Inter often dominated the wins.
So having this very good morale after Inter managed to beat Milan by a big score earlier then of course, Inter will continue that good trend for this match as well and I don't think Empoli can make a surprise. Because in fact, in terms of the odds currently available, the gap is so big that Inter can be sure to win.

On paper Inter can really win on today match against Empoli, and Inter also need three points in this match, to at least stay away from Roma which currently have same poin in standings. Although Empoli has a good record in five matches, but the opponent is a team that is below Inter in the current standings, meanwhile Inter can won vs Napoli. So I'm also sure, there will be no draw in this game, possibility Inter can get scored two or three goals.

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Quote from: TopT3ns on January 23, 2023, 12:40:44 PM

Juventus really have no hope anymore because in the next match they have to face a big club that cannot be beaten easily, Juventus will evaluate it to prepare several strategies that must be changed in the following season to be ready to compete, currently Juventus are in the top nine already good enough.

As other users have said, this season the Serie A competition has been really tough for teams like Milan, Inter, Roma and Juventus.
I exclude Napoli because they have appeared very consistently so far this season. Napoli won the last 16/19 matches in which they only drew 2 times and only suffered 1 defeat.

Juventus received a penalty of 15 points for their past transfer cases, and clearly it has cost the team. But what I salute is the attitude of his coach Massimiliano Allegri who remains proud to be part of Juventus in difficult and happy times.

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Allegri vowed to stay at Juve after the punishment and reiterated his commitment on Sunday as he suggested he made the right choice in rejecting Madrid, who he had agreed a contract with in July 2021 before an approach from the Bianconeri.

"I never regret my choices, when they are made at that moment they are right," the Juve coach told Sky Sport Italia.

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Quote from: masulum on January 23, 2023, 11:59:23 AM

Quote from: giammangiato on January 23, 2023, 11:43:42 AM

In fact, no, this match was a battle but it didn't bring advantages for my beloved team (Juventus) not to mention that they brought home 1 point with a lot of effort (and tiredness)
It's not a win, it's definitely a total loss.

You are right, this is a total loss for juventus. The draw that was obtained by Juventus made them have to fall to 9th position. they recently got a sanctions because of finance violations. They should still be able to get 3 points in this match to keep the chance of getting to race for the top 4 positions. But, this draw will make juventus more difficult. Unless their consistency is still good even though the players are definitely disappointed with the 15 point deduction obtained by Juventus.

This match was obviously full of goals. A lot of fireworks from both teams in this match. But in the end, it is obviously not the desired result for Juventus. They just lost a lot of points which honestly I think is quite unfair. I wanted Juventus to win this match. But in the end, it came down to the weak defending of Juventus. They could not get all three points from this match. But I will say that after such a setback, they actually did well enough in this match. And we also have to remember that the match did not start very well for them.

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Quote from: Sirait on January 23, 2023, 09:36:10 AM

Juventus chance to get back into the top 3 until the end of the season is almost impossible (to be able to climb back into the top 3, Juventus must expect that Milan, inter or Roma lose in the next match then that is impossible anymore), 15 points deduction is a thing which is very heavy for Juventus. Napoli is very close to the Serie A champion.

Juventus really have no hope anymore because in the next match they have to face a big club that cannot be beaten easily, Juventus will evaluate it to prepare several strategies that must be changed in the following season to be ready to compete, currently Juventus are in the top nine already good enough.

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Roma took 3 points away from Spezia with 2 goals. After Juventus's points were deleted, the race for the top 4 will be even more heated. Teams will want to avoid losing points.
In the Juventus - Atalanta game, we watched a goal duel. Although Juventus was ahead in the first half, they couldn't protect it and were condemned to a draw. Both teams played well and there was no winner, which is worse for Juventus because it was a home game.

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Quote from: fzkto on January 23, 2023, 09:54:18 AM

What about Inter's game against Empoli? It seems to me that after the Milan derby, Inter have spent a lot of energy. And Empoli are a solid mid-table club, who by the way have been playing well of late. Many people think that Inter have no problem to beat Empoli, especially on their home field. But I think there might be some surprises. For example, a draw.

If I consider the current situation and condition of Inter who are working hard to strengthen their position in the top four, then of course Inter will still win this match against Empoli. Because on a head to head basis too, when Inter played against Empoli both home and away Inter often dominated the wins.
So having this very good morale after Inter managed to beat Milan by a big score earlier then of course, Inter will continue that good trend for this match as well and I don't think Empoli can make a surprise. Because in fact, in terms of the odds currently available, the gap is so big that Inter can be sure to win.

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The previous time when Juventus were punished even more severely and went to Serie B, they came back from there and then dominated for many years without a break. So if we take on a scale of several years, Juventus have not lost anything at all - next year they will simply miss the Champions League (and most likely they will have the opportunity to play in the Europa League) which will give them an additional resource to win Serie A. In fact, if they will act correctly they can return to the first place very quickly.

You are missing the point.
They did nothing wrong. The capital gain for a player is not a crime.

Juventus injected 1.5 billion in 10 years into the market and they were punished for a NOT crime of 60 million.

wow, you opened my eyes. So it turns out that Juventus were punished unfairly and they had to use your argument to avoid punishment? Maybe you can send your tips to them and they will work?
Seriously, the law is harsh, but it is the law. The Juventus management knew what they were doing when they committed financial fraud and, as I already wrote, in fact they were punished too lightly.

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Quote from: OcTradism on January 23, 2023, 11:07:07 AM

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Roma are up to 4th position on the Italian seria A table now, they have 37 points, just 1 point behind Ac milan that is second, so they may even finish in second position this season, i am very happy for Mourinho, i know his ambition with Roma this season is to bring them back into the champions league, and i believe he would do that.

Roma have improved their performance with a return of Paulo Dybala who is very important for them. More fortunately, they got benefit of Juventus punishment and take over the fourth position. Roma can climb up to a third or even a second position in next few weeks if things go smoothly for them. Same total points as of Inter Milan and only 1 point less than AC Milan, Roma suddenly see their chance to be a runner-up in this season.

Roma played well against Spezia. Due to the performance of Tammy Abraham and Paulo Dybala, the Roma team is able to play consistently well. At the same time, coach Mourinho's excellent match strategy has made Roma's performance more stable. Although they are now fourth in the table, Roma is just 1 point behind second-placed Milan. If Roma continues their consistent performances, they could soon take over second place in the table.

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Quote from: giammangiato on January 23, 2023, 11:43:42 AM

In fact, no, this match was a battle but it didn't bring advantages for my beloved team (Juventus) not to mention that they brought home 1 point with a lot of effort (and tiredness)
It's not a win, it's definitely a total loss.

You are right, this is a total loss for juventus. The draw that was obtained by Juventus made them have to fall to 9th position. they recently got a sanctions because of finance violations. They should still be able to get 3 points in this match to keep the chance of getting to race for the top 4 positions. But, this draw will make juventus more difficult. Unless their consistency is still good even though the players are definitely disappointed with the 15 point deduction obtained by Juventus.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on January 22, 2023, 04:44:52 PM

3-3 in the end was not the result Juventus needed in this situation.

The turn is far to be over, we have 2 more games coming in Monday and Tuesday.

In fact, no, this match was a battle but it didn't bring advantages for my beloved team (Juventus) not to mention that they brought home 1 point with a lot of effort (and tiredness)
It's not a win, it's definitely a total loss.

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Quote from: Z-tight on January 23, 2023, 10:23:49 AM

You can't complain about that to the players, they did not start the season in a good way but they later on they began to win many matches and climbed to 3rd position, i believe they would have continued playing that way and would have finished second or third

Juventus players played well to move closely to AC Milan but the accident caused them a painful punishment with 15 minus points that sink them down on the table. With it they will not be able to move closely to top four in near future and might be end this season with a position not in top four.

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Roma are up to 4th position on the Italian seria A table now, they have 37 points, just 1 point behind Ac milan that is second, so they may even finish in second position this season, i am very happy for Mourinho, i know his ambition with Roma this season is to bring them back into the champions league, and i believe he would do that.

Roma have improved their performance with a return of Paulo Dybala who is very important for them. More fortunately, they got benefit of Juventus punishment and take over the fourth position. Roma can climb up to a third or even a second position in next few weeks if things go smoothly for them. Same total points as of Inter Milan and only 1 point less than AC Milan, Roma suddenly see their chance to be a runner-up in this season.

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Quote from: fzkto on January 23, 2023, 09:54:18 AM

What about Inter's game against Empoli? It seems to me that after the Milan derby, Inter have spent a lot of energy. And Empoli are a solid mid-table club, who by the way have been playing well of late. Many people think that Inter have no problem to beat Empoli, especially on their home field. But I think there might be some surprises. For example, a draw.

I think inters has more chances of winning Empoli, this is a game Inter needs to win to add to their point to be at the second position of the stabdings. Inters is more consistent than Empoli, I believe Inter will lead the game.

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Szczesny was responsible for the first goal. He should have saved that shot easily but he couldn't stop the ball with his hands. Juventus had a really bad defensive performance in this match at the same time. They could have even lost this match if Toloi didn't waste a big chance to make the score 4-3. Szczesny made up for his mistake a little by saving that great shot there. But this result is unacceptable for the team anyway. Juventus are better than this but they need their injured players as recovered as well.

As for their chance to climb the positions to top places I don't give it much chance while there is a huge gap like this. They had better work harder in the Europa League or Coppa Italia to win at least one of them.

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Quote from: Z-tight on January 23, 2023, 10:23:49 AM

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Juventus is just having 23 point and their position in the league is far from qualifying for champions league, Juventus just need to improve to try to be consistent in their performance to get to a better position. This current position where they are right now is not impressive for team like Juventus.

You can't complain about that to the players, they did not start the season in a good way but they later on they began to win many matches and climbed to 3rd position, i believe they would have continued playing that way and would have finished second or third, but the owners of the club did things that are corrupt, and now they have been deducted of 15 points and are down to 9th position, it is not the fault of the players.

Roma are up to 4th position on the Italian seria A table now, they have 37 points, just 1 point behind Ac milan that is second, so they may even finish in second position this season, i am very happy for Mourinho, i know his ambition with Roma this season is to bring them back into the champions league, and i believe he would do that.

I agree with what you said. It's not the players fault. I wouldn't want to be in their place. I think it's a shame for the actors. But such a punishment has been given and they must suffer the consequences. I believe they will rise above where they are. It is a great tragedy that such a situation should happen to Juventus. It had happened before. Again, innocent players became victims. I can not accept this.

I'm happy for Mourinho too. I would love to see your team in the champions league.

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Quote from: Gosgosking on January 23, 2023, 09:43:50 AM

Juventus is just having 23 point and their position in the league is far from qualifying for champions league, Juventus just need to improve to try to be consistent in their performance to get to a better position. This current position where they are right now is not impressive for team like Juventus.

You can't complain about that to the players, they did not start the season in a good way but they later on they began to win many matches and climbed to 3rd position, i believe they would have continued playing that way and would have finished second or third, but the owners of the club did things that are corrupt, and now they have been deducted of 15 points and are down to 9th position, it is not the fault of the players.

Roma are up to 4th position on the Italian seria A table now, they have 37 points, just 1 point behind Ac milan that is second, so they may even finish in second position this season, i am very happy for Mourinho, i know his ambition with Roma this season is to bring them back into the champions league, and i believe he would do that.

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It's true that Napoli holds a sizable lead in the league standings, with a 12-point advantage. However, as a sports fan, I would want to see more competition and difficulties for them as the season goes. A little suspense and drama may add to the excitement of the contests.

On the other hand, it's difficult not to consider Juventus' failure this season. They have a long history of accomplishment, but they haven't been able to live up to their typical standards. Key player injuries, a lack of team cohesiveness, and bad management choices have all contributed to their troubles. At this point, it's difficult to envision them making a comeback, but you never know in football. Anything is possible. But things aren't looking bright for them right now.

Juventus chance to get back into the top 3 until the end of the season is almost impossible (to be able to climb back into the top 3, Juventus must expect that Milan, inter or Roma lose in the next match then that is impossible anymore), 15 points deduction is a thing which is very heavy for Juventus. Napoli is very close to the Serie A champion.

actually it is still possible for Juventus to finish in the top 4 to be able to get a ticket to the Champion League because the rest of the matches this season are still very long and all possibilities are still possible but in the last 2 matches and even this weekend Juventus have not shown good performance again after held to a 3-3 draw at Atalanta.
the journey is still very long for Juventus this season, it's just a matter of how they can rise.

and for Napoli to be able to win the Scudetto this season it was very wide open after some of its competitors were inconsistent, so the opportunity was taken very well by the Napoli team.
now Napoli is 12 points ahead of AC Milan who is ranked 2nd, that is quite a distance away from the points.

The odds are slim to be in 4th place for Juventus, and if possible Juventus will need a bit of craziness and aggressiveness for their next outing.
and although Juventus were able to move up a strip thanks to the 3-3 draw with Atalanta, he has to go five steps above those currently occupied by Torino, Udinese, Lazio, Atalanta and AS Roma which I don't think is easy.

Napoli are in a very safe position at the top of the standings, and as long as they are consistent until the end of the season, they can win the Scudetto this season.

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What about Inter's game against Empoli? It seems to me that after the Milan derby, Inter have spent a lot of energy. And Empoli are a solid mid-table club, who by the way have been playing well of late. Many people think that Inter have no problem to beat Empoli, especially on their home field. But I think there might be some surprises. For example, a draw.

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