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Quote from: MinoRaiola on January 22, 2023, 03:49:11 PM

Juventus injected 1.5 billion in 10 years into the market and they were punished for a NOT crime of 60 million.

I don't think it's fair if it's just the one case. But I don't know the whole story. They won't win or lose anything this season. I hope they win against FC Nantes on 16 and 23 February, so that they still have a chance to play international next year. They are currently play vs Atalanta Bergamo, standing 2-1 and that is very important for the motivation after the 15 points deduction. In the future, Juventus will have a little less money, but that might be made up for in two seasons.
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This is only the 1st part another penalization will probably come in 1 month.

It is not a single case, they transfers a lot of players in Italy in this way is a common thing here,

A lot of teams does this and it is not a crime but again as always only Juventus is punished for NOT a crime like in 2006.

Did you see why Juventus wants a Superleague now?

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You are missing the point.
They did nothing wrong. The capital gain for a player is not a crime.

Juventus injected 1.5 billion in 10 years into the market and they were punished for a NOT crime of 60 million.

I don't think it's fair if it's just the one case. But I don't know the whole story. They won't win or lose anything this season. I hope they win against FC Nantes on 16 and 23 February, so that they still have a chance to play international next year. They are currently play vs Atalanta Bergamo, standing 2-1 and that is very important for the motivation after the 15 points deduction. In the future, Juventus will have a little less money, but that might be made up for in two seasons.

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Quote from: kro55 on January 22, 2023, 03:07:35 PM

Atalanta vs Juventus

The match is currently going on and only 16 minutes have been played into this match. And Juventus is already trailing in the match. They are behind by one goal Right now. The score is 1-0 in favor of Atalanta.

You are right. I believe the decision of taking away points is certainly affecting them a lot. And the playstyle of Juventus is also being affected. But Juventus is trying to attack. However, they are failing to successfully break the defense of Atlanta. I feel like the attack are not being so coordinated. It is actually being made out of desperation more than anything.

Juventus have turned things around where Di Maria and Milik were able to make Juventus 2-1 ahead in this match. The first half was over, if you look at the statistics, Juventus were able to outperform Atalanta in shooting at goal, but in dominating possession, Atalanta was able to control it quite well.

juventus is currently experiencing a reduction in the points dropped on them this week. but this doesn't seem to affect the Juventus players to perform better in this match, I hope Juventus can take advantage of this advantage to win at the end of this match.

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Quote from: judas on January 22, 2023, 01:51:55 PM

I think this incident will affect the morale of the players in a bad way for some time at least. For example I think their performance can change against Atalanta. They might be weaker in defense maybe and even lose the match. I bet on both teams to score not to take a big risk. Of course this isn't guaranteed but I believe in scoring capabilities of both sides. I started to think like this is more of a draw match. It might end up with a score like 1-1 or 2-2 maybe.
Besides I have heard that Vlahovic is more likely to leave the team from now on. Some big teams already have him on their radar for a summer transfer. If Juventus don't finish this season well then we can see him leaving as well.

Atalanta vs Juventus

The match is currently going on and only 16 minutes have been played into this match. And Juventus is already trailing in the match. They are behind by one goal Right now. The score is 1-0 in favor of Atalanta.

You are right. I believe the decision of taking away points is certainly affecting them a lot. And the playstyle of Juventus is also being affected. But Juventus is trying to attack. However, they are failing to successfully break the defense of Atlanta. I feel like the attack are not being so coordinated. It is actually being made out of desperation more than anything.

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Quote from: hahay on January 22, 2023, 02:05:33 PM

Somehow I feel that Monza has a big chance to survive in Serie A, which means, I'm sure Monza won't be relegated this season. Meanwhile, at first Monza received successive defeats but amazingly, after Monza managed to beat Juventus and then Monza seemed to gain extra abilities to be able to get good results for the matches he played.
Even Monza can also provide strong resistance when playing against strong teams who are in the top four so yes, Monza deserves to stay in Serie A because I think Monza is a mediocre team that cannot be underestimated at all.

Monza is in the 13th position on the table. I can see they are not playing that badly right now. What I am trying to say is if we just think about them staying out of the relegation zone, I think they are doing a good job.

But if we say that we want to see them in the top 10 positions of the table, then they are not playing well. But finishing among the top 10 teams is obviously not what they are targeting right now. I also think that the primary target for them is to stay out of the relegation zone. Which they are doing a good job at.

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Dybala is such a team player really. He was one of the heroes of the day for Roma. On his first goal, I think most of the strikers would have preferred to use the opportunity by themselves. But Dybala still chose to pass the ball instead of trying his chance one-on-one with the goalkeeper. Abraham's goal was also impressive by the way. His way of getting past the defender and finishing one-on-one was lovely to watch. Roma had so many goal opportunities to take advantage of so this game could have ended by a bigger score.

Spezia weren't able to do anything. They didn't even have much of a chance to talk about. This is the Roma I want to see in the rest of the games. Mourinho did a great job there.

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Simple victory from AS Roma visiting Spezia. In 4th place now together with Inter, which has played one game less. If AC Milan wins, the difference with leader Napoli will be 9 points. A lot, maybe too much at the moment. It is nice for the teams in the top that Juventus has now dropped many places due to the penalty. That gives all teams a better perspective to reach European football. Juventus' appeal is yet to be determined. In this case, a penalty can also be even higher. By the way, Roma has only scored 25 goals and conceded 16 goals. It's pretty good that you're tied for third place.

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Somehow I feel that Monza has a big chance to survive in Serie A, which means, I'm sure Monza won't be relegated this season. Meanwhile, at first Monza received successive defeats but amazingly, after Monza managed to beat Juventus and then Monza seemed to gain extra abilities to be able to get good results for the matches he played.
Even Monza can also provide strong resistance when playing against strong teams who are in the top four so yes, Monza deserves to stay in Serie A because I think Monza is a mediocre team that cannot be underestimated at all.

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I think this incident will affect the morale of the players in a bad way for some time at least. For example I think their performance can change against Atalanta. They might be weaker in defense maybe and even lose the match. I bet on both teams to score not to take a big risk. Of course this isn't guaranteed but I believe in scoring capabilities of both sides. I started to think like this is more of a draw match. It might end up with a score like 1-1 or 2-2 maybe.

Besides I have heard that Vlahovic is more likely to leave the team from now on. Some big teams already have him on their radar for a summer transfer. If Juventus don't finish this season well then we can see him leaving as well.

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Quote from: KTChampions on January 22, 2023, 11:52:28 AM

The previous time when Juventus were punished even more severely and went to Serie B, they came back from there and then dominated for many years without a break. So if we take on a scale of several years, Juventus have not lost anything at all - next year they will simply miss the Champions League (and most likely they will have the opportunity to play in the Europa League) which will give them an additional resource to win Serie A. In fact, if they will act correctly they can return to the first place very quickly.

You are missing the point.
They did nothing wrong. The capital gain for a player is not a crime.

Juventus injected 1.5 billion in 10 years into the market and they were punished for a NOT crime of 60 million.

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Quote from: Zackgeno96 on January 22, 2023, 11:54:54 AM

Sampdoria another defeat. It goes from bad to worse and this way they will never get out of the relegation zone if they keep performing like this.

With this condition they are getting worse and worse in the relegation zone but actually they are playing a pretty good game. It's just that Kingsley Ehizibue ruined their 1 point in his late goal.
In another match, Roma are currently 2 goals ahead of Spezia and if you look at the current match, it is very likely that they will secure 3 points in this match.

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A nice result for roma team so far they managed to take the lead in a crucial time just at the end of the first half, these are important points since it will put them on the fourth position if they manage the win, their opponent is a tough one spezia are having good results recently so the second half will be a really interesting one.

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Quote from: Zackgeno96 on January 22, 2023, 11:54:54 AM

Sampdoria another defeat. It goes from bad to worse and this way they will never get out of the relegation zone if they keep performing like this.

I was sure that Sampdoria would lose points in this match. Although Udinese have not performed well in the last few matches, they are a much stronger team than Sampdoria. And Udinese is in seventh place in the points table. Sampdoria's performance is deteriorating day by day. And if they play like this, they will not be able to get out of the relegation zone.

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Sampdoria another defeat. It goes from bad to worse and this way they will never get out of the relegation zone if they keep performing like this. Tonight we get the game Juventus - Atalanta. Would a number of players not want to leave Juventus now that the team has received a penalty? They have appealed against that, but I think it is of little use. That 15 point deduction is really a lot, European football is actually a very difficult task. Opponent Atalanta can make use of this, they have amply won the previous 2 matches and a place will become available at the top because Juventus has dropped out there.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on January 22, 2023, 08:33:12 AM

This sentence was indeed a little lighter than their previous crimes and even though it was a little bigger than the original charge with a penalty of 9 points there.
As for the issue of reputation, I will not discuss this too much because indeed we can judge for ourselves when a team is proven to have violated 2 times, then indeed we know what reputation they deserve. but on the other hand, looking at the condition of the team, even though they are like that, I still think it will still be as usual and their fans will still be many.

The previous time when Juventus were punished even more severely and went to Serie B, they came back from there and then dominated for many years without a break. So if we take on a scale of several years, Juventus have not lost anything at all - next year they will simply miss the Champions League (and most likely they will have the opportunity to play in the Europa League) which will give them an additional resource to win Serie A. In fact, if they will act correctly they can return to the first place very quickly.

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Quote from: swogerino on January 22, 2023, 11:34:28 AM

So Juventus again in another scandal and they were removed 15 points from these phone call interceptions or something similar,they are now in the middle of the table and will be facing Atalanta in tonight game.It will be interesting to see the behavior of the Juventus team,if they were psychologically impacted or not,if they were then most likely Atalanta is going to win this game.

In the top of the standings I think there is no doubt now that 99.99% Napoli is going to be Champion of the Serie A,the only consistent team like Juventus is down 15 points now and the other teams following Napoli now will not make like 5 wins consecutively like Juventus did before losing to Napoli.

Napoli have been playing really well this season. Their style of play looks like they will achieve great things this season. Because all the players of the team are playing with great confidence.

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Juventus are not in a very good place this season. Although they have secured some impressive match victories, their team has had some major shortcomings. They have to suffer when they play against big teams.

In fact, Juventus had struggled a bit in the direct matches but came from 7 consecutive victories and had also placed well in the standings before losing against Napoli, now even the corporate problems could affect the performance in the league

The impact that would be given by the sanction would be so big. Juventus has been losing 10 points. that was making the players may feel frustrated after they were hardworking to get into the top 3 and it must be going down to the top 10 which is very disappointed for the players.
I hope that juventus will be learned from what happened in the past to be even better in the future. The performance in the league will be indirectly affected by it but I guess that whole of players got emotional pressure.

Juventus players are currently suffering from a lack of confidence. The team's coach is currently looking for different strategies to bring back good performances.

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So Juventus again in another scandal and they were removed 15 points from these phone call interceptions or something similar,they are now in the middle of the table and will be facing Atalanta in tonight game.It will be interesting to see the behavior of the Juventus team,if they were psychologically impacted or not,if they were then most likely Atalanta is going to win this game.

In the top of the standings I think there is no doubt now that 99.99% Napoli is going to be Champion of the Serie A,the only consistent team like Juventus is down 15 points now and the other teams following Napoli now will not make like 5 wins consecutively like Juventus did before losing to Napoli.

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Quote from: OcTradism on January 22, 2023, 10:30:37 AM

Getting position within top four to be eligible for Champions League is one of biggest aims of Mourinho and Roma in 2022 - 2023 season. I believe Europa League is another big aim of Mourinho and Roma. After winning Conference League last season, they actually want to win a bigger title in Europe, Europa League. Mourinho always has good ability to help his clubs winning titles in Champions League and Europa League.

In the past, he helped Porto to win Europa League and Champions League in two continuous seasons so it is not strange if he wins Conference League and Europa League with Roma.

The aim in Serie A becomes a little bit more easily after Juventus got a minus of 15 points in Serie A. At least Roma will have one less competitor for top four race in Serie A.

I believe with AS Roma chance can finish on top fourth standing position in this season due 14 deduction from Juventus and they have opportunity can break to Champion League. Current standing although AS Roma still on 6th but having the same points give opportunity for AS Roma if have consistency performance get back to Champion League competition for next season.

Jose Mourinho success winning UEFA Conference League last season and I think he has chance with UEFA Europe League for this season, he has a lot experience before with European competition from winning Champion League tittle with FC Porto, Inter Milan and success won Europe League trophy with Manchester United.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on January 22, 2023, 10:35:32 AM

Napoli got yet another win, I mean it was against a smaller club so it's understandable, but it's a win nevertheless. They are looking like the inevitable champions one way or another and I think it's going to end up with something much bigger with the scudderia or whatever it's called there, basically double.

They just have such a great chance to win. Juventus and that whole 15 point deal was a bad one, I am very sad to learn that, I honesty believe that it shouldn't have been a punishment like this, maybe like no new transfers until the fake number is closed by selling their players, if they lied 10-20 million dollars, just get them to sell that much amount players before they can transfer again, 15 points is too much, this will cause them to miss UCL for sure and that is a ton of money.

It was very much expected for Napoli to get yet another easy and stress free win from a team that is struggling not to be pushed to the relegation zone. They keep proving hard to defeat and making themselves more qualified for the title as they keep winning their games and adding more points to their position.

The did have been done to Juve all the need do is try to find their way back to the top four teams before the end of the season but as for winning the title this season they have lost out of the race following the 15 point deduction. It is really sad but they have to pay for their crime.

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