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Quote from: jakdanyel on February 04, 2022, 09:23:21 AM

We can still consider Atalanta as safe in the standings actually. Because even though they have one match missing now, they are still one point ahead of Juventus and five points ahead of Roma. They are the number one team for the fourth position in the standings as a result. I still believe that Juventus and Roma both can put up a good fight against them. Atalanta can't win all the time in the end. And Atalanta still have league matches against them this season too. Those matches would carry a big importance for the Champions League spot.

Leading by 5 points is not that safe because there are still 15-16 matches remaining till the end of the season. Juventus might be the hardest competitor for Atalanta, the new player Vlahovic may make significant improvement in Juventus side. Atalanta need to do their best till the end of the season to stay in the CL zone, but I think Juventus will be the one that will finish in top 4.

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This week my bets are on Atalanta, Roma and Juventus to all win at home.
Roma are in a great form, Juventus will get things in order soon, I still think they have a great chance to get into Champions League spot's.
Milan derby will be a tough one, as Inter Milan host Ac Milan,this will be an interesting game, as Ibrahimovic will be hoping to score a goal here, inter Milan has a good home record and form, I doubt to see them loss.

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Quote from: Minor Miner on February 04, 2022, 09:12:04 AM

Roma do not have a strong squad to be the champions of Serie A. Even if they buy new player now, they will not be able to win the title this season. They are already far behind. However, if Roma recruits new talent next season, they may be able to compete for the title. Roma must strengthen their defense. At the same time it is important to have at least one star striker in the forward. But I don't think Roma's management is interested in spending a lot of money.

They have to get past Juventus and get rid of Atalanta. It's a pretty tough mission to get to fourth place at the end of the season. In fact I think it's a little bit impossible, at the moment their position is at best with the game shown at the moment. Mourinho needs other players to improve the effectiveness of their victories. But there don't seem to be many transfers they made in January. So it's possible to feature at UCL it doesn't seem to be next season.

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We can still consider Atalanta as safe in the standings actually. Because even though they have one match missing now, they are still one point ahead of Juventus and five points ahead of Roma. They are the number one team for the fourth position in the standings as a result. I still believe that Juventus and Roma both can put up a good fight against them. Atalanta can't win all the time in the end. And Atalanta still have league matches against them this season too. Those matches would carry a big importance for the Champions League spot.

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Tomorrow Roma will play against Genoa which I think it is quite clear that Roma will win the match, because it seems that Genoa themselves have lost hope of getting out of the relegation zone. I don't underestimate it's just that the points so far for Genoa are not strong enough to hold Roma, because even their head to head is clear where Roma dominate and play at home of course Roma will not waste this good opportunity to get full points.

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Quote from: blackened515 on February 04, 2022, 01:00:32 AM

Securing the 4th position on the standings won't be an easy task for Roma. They are currently 5 points behind Atalanta, while Atalanta have an outstanding match to play. Which means they Atalanta eventually wins, that will increase their points gap from Roma to 8. Also, we should not forget that Juventus are occupying the 5th place. And they are just 1 point from the 4th position. Any slight mistake from Atalanta might result to them losing their position to Juventus. However, the League is getting more interesting.

Right now talking about Roma on 4th position is really not good because we already have five teams in top ranked and these all are giving their best for staying on top with currently Juventus is also doing very good after worst start of this season and Atlanta is very consistent team in Italian League with they have 4 Champions League qualifications in last four seasons and other three are also having very good performance so for me, it's really hard task for them to go on this position in this season they need some miracle for this happened for them and any team lost some good number of players or have some serious trouble to lost next few matches.

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Quote from: Slow death on February 04, 2022, 07:13:33 AM

To win Serie A he would have to ask the club to invest a lot of money in buying great players and I don't believe Roma can do that now, maybe next season they will be able to make more investments and will be fighting to be champions or at least least to take place for the champions league, mourinho is doing his job well with the players he has available and with the budget the club can support. It would be too much to ask for Roma to become Serie A champion this season

Roma do not have a strong squad to be the champions of Serie A. Even if they buy new player now, they will not be able to win the title this season. They are already far behind. However, if Roma recruits new talent next season, they may be able to compete for the title. Roma must strengthen their defense. At the same time it is important to have at least one star striker in the forward. But I don't think Roma's management is interested in spending a lot of money.

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Quote from: Slow death on February 04, 2022, 07:13:33 AM

Quote from: hahay on February 03, 2022, 04:46:50 AM

Mourinho started the season with the preparation that was made or built himself and at least, Mourinho can give good results in the first few games of the season. But unfortunately, Mourinho couldn't maintain that dominance until I started to doubt him again. Well, to make Roma in the top 8 at least I'm sure Mourinho can still do that, but to win the title I think Mourinho is still not as good as in the past because now the competition is so tight and Mourinho is still lagging behind.

To win Serie A he would have to ask the club to invest a lot of money in buying great players and I don't believe Roma can do that now, maybe next season they will be able to make more investments and will be fighting to be champions or at least least to take place for the champions league, mourinho is doing his job well with the players he has available and with the budget the club can support. It would be too much to ask for Roma to become Serie A champion this season

100% Mourinho is a great coach but he can't produce results without a good selection of players. If there were coaches who could secure the championship without having to buy the stars and the strongest players, then everyone would hunt them, not the players. But we all see that in reality both sides of the equation are important and the best coach can do nothing if the composition of the team does not meet the desired goals.

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Not really bad with first season Jose Mourinho on AS Roma depending team success on 6 position standing and only left five points from Atlanta as least of champion league standing position. Just have problem with Jose Mourinho always failed and never success get three points from Inter Milan, AC Milan and Juventus. Looks not consistent when AS Roma against with bigger club but left 15 match still have chance for Jose Mourinho give good achievement for AS Roma get four top position standing and back to champion league again after missing several years. Next match AS Roma vs Cagliari and I think not really heavy for Mourinho get three points before big match with Inter Milan on quarter final of Copa Italia.

It is true that AS Roma failed against the main rivals, let's say Inter Milan, AC Milan and Juventus. But taking into account that this is his first season, in a team that was quite bad, and without having made any major investments, he is doing an excellent job.

I believe that next season AS Roma's performance will be much better. Even thinking that it will not be that year that they won the title, they were close.

Mourinho started the season with the preparation that was made or built himself and at least, Mourinho can give good results in the first few games of the season. But unfortunately, Mourinho couldn't maintain that dominance until I started to doubt him again. Well, to make Roma in the top 8 at least I'm sure Mourinho can still do that, but to win the title I think Mourinho is still not as good as in the past because now the competition is so tight and Mourinho is still lagging behind.

To win Serie A he would have to ask the club to invest a lot of money in buying great players and I don't believe Roma can do that now, maybe next season they will be able to make more investments and will be fighting to be champions or at least least to take place for the champions league, mourinho is doing his job well with the players he has available and with the budget the club can support. It would be too much to ask for Roma to become Serie A champion this season

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Quote from: hahay on February 03, 2022, 04:46:50 AM

Mourinho started the season with the preparation that was made or built himself and at least, Mourinho can give good results in the first few games of the season. But unfortunately, Mourinho couldn't maintain that dominance until I started to doubt him again. Well, to make Roma in the top 8 at least I'm sure Mourinho can still do that, but to win the title I think Mourinho is still not as good as in the past because now the competition is so tight and Mourinho is still lagging behind.

That's true, but we also couldn't expect him in the first season he arrived at Roma. Even because the club was not in a very favorable situation before. I think he's fighting for 4th or 5th place, he looks pretty good.

I think he's doing a good job, and it's clear that the club made a medium-term bet, and that it's a project that in the next season or the next will bear good fruit. Sometimes we want immediate results, but for a club to get back to the top as before, it needs to go through a good restructuring process. And it seems that is what is happening at Roma.

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Fiorentina - Lazio is another game between really close teams in the standings currently. Their current statistics are very similar and they have the same points too. Until this time, Fiorentina played their games having Dusan Vlahovic. And he scored nearly the half of their goals in the Serie A. Now he is a Juventus player and I wonder how much well Fiorentina are going to perform from now on. They have lost a big deal of strength after this transfer. If Lazio benefit from their weaknesses, maybe they can win.

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Quote from: coderben on February 03, 2022, 03:23:15 PM

As we are talking about Roma's chances for this season, I believe that they are not a very trustworthy team first of all. They lost nearly the half of their matches played in the Serie A until this point. If we take this into account, it is not easy to believe in them for a Champions League spot. They don't seem to be better than Juventus and Atalanta for now. Consequently, Roma must do extra things to impress and make people believe in them to make it. Mourinho is not doing bad but this is not the best they can do at the same time.

The chances for roma to the champions league next season are quite heavy, atlanta and juventus are rome's strongest competitors to get the last slot of the champions league, in the first round of the italian league this season, roma has lost a lot of points and mourinho continues to complain about the quality of the players, but In fact, in the transfer market they only brought in 2 players on loan and it might be a bit difficult for mourinho to be able to improve Roma performance with only the addition of these players, in my opinion, it seems that this season Juventus wiil be ended the season in fourth place, apart from their performance that started improving and consistent, the arrival of Vlanhovic is also a lucky factor for Juventus because they have a fairly sharp striker.

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Mourinho started the season with the preparation that was made or built himself and at least, Mourinho can give good results in the first few games of the season. But unfortunately, Mourinho couldn't maintain that dominance until I started to doubt him again. Well, to make Roma in the top 8 at least I'm sure Mourinho can still do that, but to win the title I think Mourinho is still not as good as in the past because now the competition is so tight and Mourinho is still lagging behind.

Personally as a team I don't think Roma are too strong. However, since Mourinho became the coach, everyone had high expectations from the Roma team. Because Mourinho is a very experienced coach. However, for a good performance, you need an experienced coach as well as good players. Roma's striker is good enough, I have no complaints against them. But, Roma's defense is weak. Due to weak defense they concede goals against strong teams and cannot win. Mourinho should now be added to the experienced defender squad.

I absolutely agree with you
a coach is not enough to make a team, you also need the players, you also need good management and you also need an excellent organization (see Atalanta)
of course this is my opinion

You set the Atlanta team as an example. And I agree with you. Atlanta is a great team. We don't see too many star players in this team. Yet their performance is excellent. Each player is playing well in his position. And their performance at the end of the day is excellent. Roma's coach is experienced. Now they need experienced players. And of course management has to spend money and have the mentality to buy the necessary players.

If that's the reason you can't compare the two, Roma was built with more money than Atalanta. But unfortunately, the achievements of Roma and Atalanta in the last few seasons and also this season Atalanta are superior even though they were not built with a lot of money. How can you compare the two clearly they are very different in forming a team, experienced coaches and experienced players are not enough to make a team achieve success. Look at Atalanta, it's a mediocre team that can consistently compete at the top, that's different from Roma with a higher financial status and have experienced coaches and players but it's still difficult to be consistent.

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Quote from: diderdrogba on February 03, 2022, 06:57:34 AM

I agree that Roma are in a decent condition in the league right now. And they have still many games to go in this season. They still can qualify for even the Champions League by ending as the fourth team but it would be really difficult at the same time. The current fourth team in the standings are Atalanta now. And they are having another solid season also. Roma should be able to defeat Atalanta first of all and they are going to play home against Atalanta in one month. If they make it, then I would believe in Roma more to make it.

Securing the 4th position on the standings won't be an easy task for Roma. They are currently 5 points behind Atalanta, while Atalanta have an outstanding match to play. Which means they Atalanta eventually wins, that will increase their points gap from Roma to 8. Also, we should not forget that Juventus are occupying the 5th place. And they are just 1 point from the 4th position. Any slight mistake from Atalanta might result to them losing their position to Juventus. However, the League is getting more interesting.

I'm vouching for Juventus to be in the top four at the end of March, they weren't looking too good in front, but with the introduction of Vlahovic they have an edge now to score as much as many goals.
Can Roma get into the top four ? A whole lot of uncertainty their for them what are the possibility of them, they have to put up a strong performance by winning it drawing in other to achieve that.
Atalanta might be the once to drop out of this , they be looking weak I don't see them innit.

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Quote from: blackened515 on February 04, 2022, 01:00:32 AM

Securing the 4th position on the standings won't be an easy task for Roma. They are currently 5 points behind Atalanta, while Atalanta have an outstanding match to play. Which means they Atalanta eventually wins, that will increase their points gap from Roma to 8. Also, we should not forget that Juventus are occupying the 5th place. And they are just 1 point from the 4th position. Any slight mistake from Atalanta might result to them losing their position to Juventus. However, the League is getting more interesting.

I want to see AS Roma back to glory and participant on champion league next season but is not easy still left 5 points behind Atlanta and still consistent performance by Juventus looks most competitive who will finish on fourth position standing. I don't see any potential for AS Roma if not consistent playing well on every match, always have bad result when faced with bigger team and failed get three points. Still have Juventus, Inter Milan and AC Milan waiting for AS Roma left Serie A match, lets see can Jose Mourinho bring back AS Roma to champion league as the first manager in this season.

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Quote from: diderdrogba on February 03, 2022, 06:57:34 AM

I agree that Roma are in a decent condition in the league right now. And they have still many games to go in this season. They still can qualify for even the Champions League by ending as the fourth team but it would be really difficult at the same time. The current fourth team in the standings are Atalanta now. And they are having another solid season also. Roma should be able to defeat Atalanta first of all and they are going to play home against Atalanta in one month. If they make it, then I would believe in Roma more to make it.

Securing the 4th position on the standings won't be an easy task for Roma. They are currently 5 points behind Atalanta, while Atalanta have an outstanding match to play. Which means they Atalanta eventually wins, that will increase their points gap from Roma to 8. Also, we should not forget that Juventus are occupying the 5th place. And they are just 1 point from the 4th position. Any slight mistake from Atalanta might result to them losing their position to Juventus. However, the League is getting more interesting.

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Additionally, why do we only discuss about Roma and Atalanta regarding to top 4? Do you forget about Juventus? They are in this competition as well and Roma will have to beat both Atalanta and Juventus to join top 4.

Atlanta, Juventus and Roma will fight hard for fourth place in the TBL. Not only these three teams, Fiorentina and Lazio are also just 2 points behind Roma. Roma may be able to play consistently well, but will Atlanta and Juventus lose points? If Roma want fourth place in the table, they will not lose points against Inter Milan, AC Milan, Juventus and Atlanta. They can only get to the top of the table if they can score points against strong teams.

Atalanta also has a good chance to stay in 4th position. Some of the results from the last matches were not satisfactory for Atalanta. but if they can win and be consistent in a few games I'm sure they can handle the pressure from Juventus and Roma.
Unfortunately, in the next few games, Atalanta will meet a difficult team. it will be a big obstacle for Atalanta. games against Roma and Juve will probably be key.

Atalanta is a fairly consistent team in Serie A, in the last 3 seasons it has always been in the top 4. So Atalanta's chances are quite big this season
as well as maintaining their position in the top 4. But seeing the performance of Juventus which has shown a pretty good improvement in the last
few matches, and now Juventus have managed to sign Vlahovic, a striker who was very prolific with Fiorentina. This can indeed be a serious threat
to Atalanta, especially the difference in points between Atalanta and Juventus is not that far. So Atalanta must try not to lose a lot of points in
the next few games if they don't want to be replaced by Juventus. For Roma, I have a little doubt that they can compete for 4th place, because
Roma's performance is not so consistent.

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Quote from: AndySt on February 03, 2022, 07:50:52 PM

Well, I would not so directly call Roma the main disappointment of the season. In principle, no one expected Roma to fight for the Scudetto this season, just a wonderful start gave rise to some hopes for a high result. And then, during the season, a cold shower and a decrease in the team's results followed. Also, certain hopes were pinned on Mourinho, as a top-level specialist who knows how to squeeze the most out of the existing squad, but so far the feelings on this issue are ambivalent. We do not know what arrangements were made when Mourinho was invited to the club, but some dissatisfaction with Jose's players slips through at times publicly, which does not contribute to building strong intra-team relationships.

They fail to end in top 4 for some seasons so that even in that humble competition, little people think they can fight and achieve it if their coach is not Mourinho. To be fair for Mourinho, he brings some good motivation for Roma players in this season and I expect him to do better things for the club in the rest of this season, especially for the next season.

Now, he understands more about strength as well as weakness of players and the team so that he will have more solid plans to improve the club by some necessary transfers in summer. I don't see conflict between Mourinho and Roma players and so far it looks like they are happy with Mourinho which will be one of solid foundations for their success in near future. Another good point is Roma director board does not have plan to sell their key players and it means they will mostly improve their squad by better quality players.

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As we are talking about Roma's chances for this season, I believe that they are not a very trustworthy team first of all. They lost nearly the half of their matches played in the Serie A until this point. If we take this into account, it is not easy to believe in them for a Champions League spot. They don't seem to be better than Juventus and Atalanta for now. Consequently, Roma must do extra things to impress and make people believe in them to make it. Mourinho is not doing bad but this is not the best they can do at the same time.

Roma is surely the biggest disappointment of this season even Mou completely fail to bring some positive things for having good spot now most chances they will fight against Lazio and Florentina for the place of UEFA Europa cup because they have no chance for going on top four for any chance of Champions League spot right now we have already five teams these are giving their best for these places and these are much better in quality and performance for staying their specially after Juventus good form bring them to fifth, and now they are doing their best for some better result all above teams are on good level for these spot and Roma is very unpredictable for this all many times they give points against very weak teams which is now giving them some good pain for higher spot.

Well, I would not so directly call Roma the main disappointment of the season. In principle, no one expected Roma to fight for the Scudetto this season, just a wonderful start gave rise to some hopes for a high result. And then, during the season, a cold shower and a decrease in the team's results followed. Also, certain hopes were pinned on Mourinho, as a top-level specialist who knows how to squeeze the most out of the existing squad, but so far the feelings on this issue are ambivalent. We do not know what arrangements were made when Mourinho was invited to the club, but some dissatisfaction with Jose's players slips through at times publicly, which does not contribute to building strong intra-team relationships.

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Quote from: rozak on February 03, 2022, 12:35:05 PM

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Additionally, why do we only discuss about Roma and Atalanta regarding to top 4? Do you forget about Juventus? They are in this competition as well and Roma will have to beat both Atalanta and Juventus to join top 4.

Atlanta, Juventus and Roma will fight hard for fourth place in the TBL. Not only these three teams, Fiorentina and Lazio are also just 2 points behind Roma. Roma may be able to play consistently well, but will Atlanta and Juventus lose points? If Roma want fourth place in the table, they will not lose points against Inter Milan, AC Milan, Juventus and Atlanta. They can only get to the top of the table if they can score points against strong teams.

Atalanta also has a good chance to stay in 4th position. Some of the results from the last matches were not satisfactory for Atalanta. but if they can win and be consistent in a few games I'm sure they can handle the pressure from Juventus and Roma.
Unfortunately, in the next few games, Atalanta will meet a difficult team. it will be a big obstacle for Atalanta. games against Roma and Juve will probably be key.

I think juventus have what it takes to displace Atlanta in the table,I don't think Atlanta have enough depth in there team to finish the season stronger than juventus but I give it to them(Atlanta) they have been qualifying for the champions in previous years but this year the older team are stronger than them( Inter, Milan and Napoli ) the only other chance is for them to beat juventus to the top four.

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