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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on July 29, 2023, 07:08:25 PM

I don't know if they will change this or not but as far as I know after getting banned from UEFA Europa Conference League they will be under more pressure because the players who worked hard for the Champions League didn't get want they wanted to get and now when they got the Europa Conference League ticket their team is still banned from this tournament.

I think that you shall try to dig it even deeper. Juventus has been accepting the club to be banned from conference league even before the ban announcement was coming on. It's caused by juventus wanna save the club from the ban once the club qualified for UCL. Think about that. Juventus potentially banned if the club will not take such sanction right now. Better not to participate in the conference league rather than UCL. The management has been thinking so hard about how to avoid the ban from UEFA once juventus qualified for UCL. The fact that if juventus is not playing in UCL. It will not be a problem if juventus missing a chance to participate in the third tier of UEFA competition.
Juventus tries to secure its chance for UCL in the future. It will be so bad if juventus gonna be banned once the club has been qualified for UCL. Many players don't wanna see it to happen for juventus.
It's better to take the sanction now rather than later. Juventus accepting the ban from conference league caused by it wanna save its players to participate in UCL after next season.

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Quote from: borovichok on July 28, 2023, 10:18:11 PM

Massimiliano Allegri and the board would look for alternative methods to overcome the fundamental difficulties; it would not be simple, but they stood to benefit if they persevered. Juventus are currently dealing with problems, and it is unlikely that they would perform in an average league next season, despite failing to qualify for the UEFA Champions League. The bianconeri have to cope with their punishment for FFP rule violations; I know it will be difficult for them, but nothing is too minuscule or tangible, and they will gradually grow used to it.

I don't know if they will change this or not but as far as I know after getting banned from UEFA Europa Conference League they will be under more pressure because the players who worked hard for the Champions League didn't get want they wanted to get and now when they got the Europa Conference League ticket their team is still banned from this tournament.

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Quote from: tiCeR on July 29, 2023, 05:05:03 PM

Quote from: Bobrox on July 29, 2023, 04:59:43 PM

Are you thinking about teams have ideas for opening with Europe Super League always become target for suspending?

I believe that you raised a vital question here. With the competition that is now coming from the Saudi Professional League and also the investment fund involved, one risk of being too strict with clubs from European leagues could be that they in return threaten to support the foundation of a new Super League, for instance if it is originating from the Saudi Professional League or the investors backing everything that is flowing into the sport these days.

First of all I think the Europe Super League format is never going to happen. Even after it was announced by some top teams UEFA seemed really frustrated about it. They already planned to impose sanction on the teams that are a part of that project. Right after hearing about that we have seen all the teams withdrawing from the project.

UEFA would surely continue to threaten the teams coming with similar ideas. As long as not enough number of teams agree upon not giving up their decision about creating a new format UEFA can easily do what they want as usual.

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Quote from: Dewi Aries on July 29, 2023, 06:00:51 PM

Quote from: tiCeR on July 29, 2023, 05:05:03 PM

The fine of € 20 million is tougher for Juventus Turin than the exclusion from the Conference League. I read that Barcelona is allowed to participate in the Champions League next season and I immediately thought that this is a different story if they had to exclude a huge club like Barcelona from the Champions League. Clubs also have some power over the UEFA.

Instead of getting additional funds from the competition Juventus actually had to spend money really bad season for Juventus
It was a fair decision from UEFA anyone who does the same thing must get the same punishment otherwise , other clubs will protest
By the way UEFA decision isn't final right? Juventus can still appeal and ask for a reduction at least 1/2 of the fine.

The UEFA is the football governing body of the entire European football and yet do issue sanctions to clubs who go against the organization's rules. Juventus isn't the first to be sanctioned and they won't be the last to receive sanction as far other European clubs will still go against UEFA rules in one way or the other.
Juventus should learn from their mistakes and be cautious of how they operate going forward. The sanction I think can still be appealed but whatever happens at the will surely tell Juventus that they really need to be careful in their future dealings

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Quote from: tiCeR on July 29, 2023, 05:05:03 PM

The fine of € 20 million is tougher for Juventus Turin than the exclusion from the Conference League. I read that Barcelona is allowed to participate in the Champions League next season and I immediately thought that this is a different story if they had to exclude a huge club like Barcelona from the Champions League. Clubs also have some power over the UEFA.

Instead of getting additional funds from the competition Juventus actually had to spend money really bad season for Juventus
It was a fair decision from UEFA anyone who does the same thing must get the same punishment otherwise , other clubs will protest
By the way UEFA decision isn't final right? Juventus can still appeal and ask for a reduction at least 1/2 of the fine.

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Quote from: Bobrox on July 29, 2023, 04:59:43 PM

Reporting from Goal.com, Juventus were thrown out from UEFA Conference League due to violating Financial Fair Play for exaggerating the value of player transfers, in addition to being banned from appearing in the UEFA Conference League next season, Juventus were fined € 20 million. Fiorentina who finished on 8th standings position will replace Juventus for participating in UEFA Conference League next season and bad impact for Juventus without take participants in any European competition for next season.

I don't think with how rule Financial Fair Play (FFP) rule adopted by UEFA, there are many top European teams get problem with FFP like Manchester City or PSG but never get suspend from UEFA. Are you thinking about teams have ideas for opening with Europe Super League always become target for suspending?

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Are you thinking about teams have ideas for opening with Europe Super League always become target for suspending?

I believe that you raised a vital question here. With the competition that is now coming from the Saudi Professional League and also the investment fund involved, one risk of being too strict with clubs from European leagues could be that they in return threaten to support the foundation of a new Super League, for instance if it is originating from the Saudi Professional League or the investors backing everything that is flowing into the sport these days.

The fine of € 20 million is tougher for Juventus Turin than the exclusion from the Conference League. I read that Barcelona is allowed to participate in the Champions League next season and I immediately thought that this is a different story if they had to exclude a huge club like Barcelona from the Champions League. Clubs also have some power over the UEFA.

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Reporting from Goal.com, Juventus were thrown out from UEFA Conference League due to violating Financial Fair Play for exaggerating the value of player transfers, in addition to being banned from appearing in the UEFA Conference League next season, Juventus were fined € 20 million. Fiorentina who finished on 8th standings position will replace Juventus for participating in UEFA Conference League next season and bad impact for Juventus without take participants in any European competition for next season.

I don't think with how rule Financial Fair Play (FFP) rule adopted by UEFA, there are many top European teams get problem with FFP like Manchester City or PSG but never get suspend from UEFA. Are you thinking about teams have ideas for opening with Europe Super League always become target for suspending?

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Quote from: rendravolt on July 29, 2023, 10:03:43 AM

That's right, I never thought something like this would happen, indirectly for two different seasons both Milan and Fiorentina both took advantage of the bad luck experienced by Juventus. Maybe for Juventus this is like a heavy blow that they have to accept and of course they are very frustrated at this time because they have lost a place in European competition.

UEFA's punishment for Juventus was truly sadistic, not only cutting points last season but also banning them in the UEFA European League this season. This sanction will really create a deterrent effect for Juventus and also provide a warning that will definitely be obeyed by a football club. Instead of having to bear this super heavy penalty. Actually, sorry for the coach and also the players because this must have had a big impact on them. Mismanagement that is so fatal is really detrimental to all positions.

But until now, the management of Juventus also did not admit that they made this mistake. But on the other hand, they also did not appeal against this one sanction, because they also wanted to focus more on matches in the Serie A League in order to be involved in the UCL next season. And on the other hand,

Fiorentina who were appointed as a substitute for Juventus in the UEFA European League were like a sudden fall in fortune. They are very lucky… but can they really compete in this competition? This will be a challenge for Fiorentina itself, and a heavy burden because of course there are many rumors regarding their entry into the UEFA European League due to sheer luck.

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Quote from: marcous on July 29, 2023, 01:52:52 PM

Quote from: hahay on July 29, 2023, 01:09:44 PM

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The sanctions received by Juventus today were purely the result of their management's negligence, not Juve players. If you don't change the direction of Juve transfer policy, you will always be in this situation. Degradation, deducting points, fines are a series of sanctions that are continuously shown to their fans, really very disappointing.

Even though the Europa Conference is not an elite competition like the Champions League, if they can win it it certainly means a lot, because apart from making the fans happy the club will also receive a good income. The only target that makes sense now is to win the Scudetto next season from Napoli hands, if it doesn't work it will put them in an even worse position.

It's something difficult to explain, but Juventus must accept the consequences, especially because of management mistakes. Players only get the task of playing well without interfering with management matters, but several fatal management mistakes have harmed players, especially when they deserve to play in the highest competition such as the Champions League.

After all, Juventus have a chance to win the Serie A title next season if they are able to perform optimally with their best form, but Serie A has been better because these teams have become stronger with generations of great players. Napoli, Milan, Inter, Atalanta, Roma and others continue to increase their concentration for the title, so Juventus are sure to face a tough challenge even if they focus on Serie A next season.

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Quote from: xzone on July 29, 2023, 03:00:22 PM

Quote from: dezoel on July 29, 2023, 02:40:51 PM

I do not know what Juventus did that was so big, but between the league issue, and the conference league issue and then the punishment for that much money, all combined makes the team so bad. I am sure Nedved must be having flashbacks and a little PTSD because he would remember what happened last time everyone attacked them.

I do not know if what they did would worth this, after all this would mean at least a few seasons of bad results, first already happened because of punishments, but they must follow the rules without a doubt. Is there like some person there who is still in charge that makes the team do this? Like the last time and going down relegation, and now this time again, why it's always them? Why not others?

I don't think they will get a penalty like relegation, they already got a penalty related to a decision taken last year. According to the statement they made today, Juve will not abjudicating. They wanted to spend this year in peace and stay away from court and litigation processes.
I find them very right, they have been struggling with endless problems for years

No, this would be too much if we see relegation however in the first days after we heard the news about Juventus and possible punishments I was even expecting to see relegation for this team but after the 10 points they lost and the money they are going to pay and losing the ticket to Europa Conference League, I think we won't see relegation.

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Quote from: ginsan on July 29, 2023, 02:42:52 PM

Quote from: marcous on July 29, 2023, 01:52:52 PM

The sanctions received by Juventus today were purely the result of their management's negligence, not Juve players. If you don't change the direction of Juve transfer policy, you will always be in this situation. Degradation, deducting points, fines are a series of sanctions that are continuously shown to their fans, really very disappointing.

Even though the Europa Conference is not an elite competition like the Champions League, if they can win it it certainly means a lot, because apart from making the fans happy the club will also receive a good income. The only target that makes sense now is to win the Scudetto next season from Napoli hands, if it doesn't work it will put them in an even worse position.

But it looks like after juventus received the two penalties that were handed out to them last season and also this week I think they are free from punishment next season. Even the ban on Juventus participating in the Europa Conference competition is not a surprise because they had previously sent a letter not to take part in the competition before the official decision was issued by UEFA.

Indeed, from that point of view, Juventus must take a lesson not to repeat fraudulent acts in the coming seasons. Apart from that if we see that Juventus will not participate in any competition in the next season and for them to focus all their energy only on Serie A.

I actually have a point of view on this matter. Truly, I do not believe that Juventus is the sole club engaging in illicit activities. Naturally, I lack the evidence to substantiate the presence of other clubs participating in illegal practices. Although, I am nearly guaranteed that if a thorough examination were conducted on all the teams within the Italian league, a significant number of them would be discovered to be guilty in some capacity. In this world, no one can claim absolute purity. But it seems like if you don’t get caught, you are not held accountable.

I am not saying that all the clubs are corrupt. I was just sharing my point of view.

In reality, Juventus engaged in various questionable activities, ultimately leading to their exposure. Consequently, they must exercise caution to avoid repeating such actions in the future. Despite enduring substantial financial penalties, I think the biggest punishment for them was to take away points and not let them participate in any UEFA competitions.

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 29, 2023, 12:54:46 PM

Quote from: Ondekinecakabilirim on July 29, 2023, 08:55:47 AM

Juventus will not be in the UEFA Europa Conference League this season. They were banned from this trophy due to Financial Fair Play rules. In addition, UEFA fined Juventus 20 million Euros. Due to this decision, Fiorentina will join the UEFA Conference League instead of Juventus. I think it must have been a shocking decision for Juventus. They already had a points deduction in the league last season. And that's why they finished the league in 7th place. Now they have been banned from the UEFA Europa Conference League. They are really going through an unfortunate process far from their former glory days. I hope they get over this bad process quickly and start the season well.

Juventus will miss the Conference League - what a nightmare! Do you seriously think they were interested in it? I doubt that someone who even writes in the Conference League thread is able to name all the participants in the semi-finals of the 21-22 season. This tournament is not needed by any of the top clubs and Juventus has not lost anything by making a deal with UEFA.

There was trouble again at the Juven club and this made the situation worse for his players.
Even though many say that Juventus have nothing to lose with this problem or even say that Juventus will have a bad time this season, for me , if problem always happen to Juventus, I think their players will not feel comfortable living at a club with endless problem.
I can guarantee that from some of these problem and there will be more problem in the next season I am very sure that Juventus will lose it glory days for several seasons because it will lose several players who will leave there.
I also read some of the replies here, some say that it time for Juventus to change ownership of the club to become a better club and return to it former glory

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Quote from: dezoel on July 29, 2023, 02:40:51 PM

I do not know what Juventus did that was so big, but between the league issue, and the conference league issue and then the punishment for that much money, all combined makes the team so bad. I am sure Nedved must be having flashbacks and a little PTSD because he would remember what happened last time everyone attacked them.

I do not know if what they did would worth this, after all this would mean at least a few seasons of bad results, first already happened because of punishments, but they must follow the rules without a doubt. Is there like some person there who is still in charge that makes the team do this? Like the last time and going down relegation, and now this time again, why it's always them? Why not others?

I don't think they will get a penalty like relegation, they already got a penalty related to a decision taken last year. According to the statement they made today, Juve will not abjudicating. They wanted to spend this year in peace and stay away from court and litigation processes.
I find them very right, they have been struggling with endless problems for years

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Quote from: marcous on July 29, 2023, 01:52:52 PM

The sanctions received by Juventus today were purely the result of their management's negligence, not Juve players. If you don't change the direction of Juve transfer policy, you will always be in this situation. Degradation, deducting points, fines are a series of sanctions that are continuously shown to their fans, really very disappointing.

Even though the Europa Conference is not an elite competition like the Champions League, if they can win it it certainly means a lot, because apart from making the fans happy the club will also receive a good income. The only target that makes sense now is to win the Scudetto next season from Napoli hands, if it doesn't work it will put them in an even worse position.

But it looks like after juventus received the two penalties that were handed out to them last season and also this week I think they are free from punishment next season. Even the ban on Juventus participating in the Europa Conference competition is not a surprise because they had previously sent a letter not to take part in the competition before the official decision was issued by UEFA.

Indeed, from that point of view, Juventus must take a lesson not to repeat fraudulent acts in the coming seasons. Apart from that if we see that Juventus will not participate in any competition in the next season and for them to focus all their energy only on Serie A.

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I do not know what Juventus did that was so big, but between the league issue, and the conference league issue and then the punishment for that much money, all combined makes the team so bad. I am sure Nedved must be having flashbacks and a little PTSD because he would remember what happened last time everyone attacked them.

I do not know if what they did would worth this, after all this would mean at least a few seasons of bad results, first already happened because of punishments, but they must follow the rules without a doubt. Is there like some person there who is still in charge that makes the team do this? Like the last time and going down relegation, and now this time again, why it's always them? Why not others?

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Quote from: marcous on July 29, 2023, 01:52:52 PM

Quote from: hahay on July 29, 2023, 01:09:44 PM

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Quote from: flipme on July 29, 2023, 12:23:08 PM

Quote from: rendravolt on July 29, 2023, 10:03:43 AM

Now what they tried last season or next season feels in vain and priceless. However, I hope that, as one of the big teams, Juventus will show their mental strength during this period of time and I also hope that they can return to normal without the polemic that has always plagued them.

I don't think Juventus will take the UEFA Europa Conference League seriously. I don't think they were upset about being banned from this tournament either. They have already announced that they will not appeal against this decision. I think their place should always be the Champions League. However, they had previously received a relegation penalty in the Italian Serie A. Despite being a deeply rooted club with a large fan base, they are the subject of scandalous news. If Juventus club managers are not more transparent, Juventus will continue to suffer from a loss of reputation in the international arena.

I think juventus team needs to have a great performance this season, because this team has not performed very well in many seasons and the image of the team has been ruined. I want this team to shoot for a title in any league this season.

If Juventus are not serious in the Europa Conference League and do not try to go further, then I think such an attitude will make Juventus image worse. Therefore, to rebuild a good image, Juventus should be able to focus also in the Europa Conference League to prove that playing in the lower caste can certainly be done well. So yes, I hope that next season Juventus will be able to have good dominance in all the competitions they play, especially in Serie A too.

The sanctions received by Juventus today were purely the result of their management's negligence, not Juve players. If you don't change the direction of Juve transfer policy, you will always be in this situation. Degradation, deducting points, fines are a series of sanctions that are continuously shown to their fans, really very disappointing.

Even though the Europa Conference is not an elite competition like the Champions League, if they can win it it certainly means a lot, because apart from making the fans happy the club will also receive a good income. The only target that makes sense now is to win the Scudetto next season from Napoli hands, if it doesn't work it will put them in an even worse position.

Well Juventus dosent care about the confrence league and they this because they wanted too. They want to focus just on the serie a to try and attack the title and champions league for the upcoming season. They want to just save theirselfs and be ready for every game in the league.

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Quote from: hahay on July 29, 2023, 01:09:44 PM

Quote from: fachant on July 29, 2023, 12:27:20 PM

Quote from: flipme on July 29, 2023, 12:23:08 PM

Quote from: rendravolt on July 29, 2023, 10:03:43 AM

Now what they tried last season or next season feels in vain and priceless. However, I hope that, as one of the big teams, Juventus will show their mental strength during this period of time and I also hope that they can return to normal without the polemic that has always plagued them.

I don't think Juventus will take the UEFA Europa Conference League seriously. I don't think they were upset about being banned from this tournament either. They have already announced that they will not appeal against this decision. I think their place should always be the Champions League. However, they had previously received a relegation penalty in the Italian Serie A. Despite being a deeply rooted club with a large fan base, they are the subject of scandalous news. If Juventus club managers are not more transparent, Juventus will continue to suffer from a loss of reputation in the international arena.

I think juventus team needs to have a great performance this season, because this team has not performed very well in many seasons and the image of the team has been ruined. I want this team to shoot for a title in any league this season.

If Juventus are not serious in the Europa Conference League and do not try to go further, then I think such an attitude will make Juventus image worse. Therefore, to rebuild a good image, Juventus should be able to focus also in the Europa Conference League to prove that playing in the lower caste can certainly be done well. So yes, I hope that next season Juventus will be able to have good dominance in all the competitions they play, especially in Serie A too.

The sanctions received by Juventus today were purely the result of their management's negligence, not Juve players. If you don't change the direction of Juve transfer policy, you will always be in this situation. Degradation, deducting points, fines are a series of sanctions that are continuously shown to their fans, really very disappointing.

Even though the Europa Conference is not an elite competition like the Champions League, if they can win it it certainly means a lot, because apart from making the fans happy the club will also receive a good income. The only target that makes sense now is to win the Scudetto next season from Napoli hands, if it doesn't work it will put them in an even worse position.

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Quote from: fachant on July 29, 2023, 12:27:20 PM

Quote from: flipme on July 29, 2023, 12:23:08 PM

Quote from: rendravolt on July 29, 2023, 10:03:43 AM

Now what they tried last season or next season feels in vain and priceless. However, I hope that, as one of the big teams, Juventus will show their mental strength during this period of time and I also hope that they can return to normal without the polemic that has always plagued them.

I don't think Juventus will take the UEFA Europa Conference League seriously. I don't think they were upset about being banned from this tournament either. They have already announced that they will not appeal against this decision. I think their place should always be the Champions League. However, they had previously received a relegation penalty in the Italian Serie A. Despite being a deeply rooted club with a large fan base, they are the subject of scandalous news. If Juventus club managers are not more transparent, Juventus will continue to suffer from a loss of reputation in the international arena.

I think juventus team needs to have a great performance this season, because this team has not performed very well in many seasons and the image of the team has been ruined. I want this team to shoot for a title in any league this season.

If Juventus are not serious in the Europa Conference League and do not try to go further, then I think such an attitude will make Juventus image worse. Therefore, to rebuild a good image, Juventus should be able to focus also in the Europa Conference League to prove that playing in the lower caste can certainly be done well. So yes, I hope that next season Juventus will be able to have good dominance in all the competitions they play, especially in Serie A too.

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Quote from: flipme on July 29, 2023, 12:23:08 PM

Quote from: rendravolt on July 29, 2023, 10:03:43 AM

Now what they tried last season or next season feels in vain and priceless. However, I hope that, as one of the big teams, Juventus will show their mental strength during this period of time and I also hope that they can return to normal without the polemic that has always plagued them.

I don't think Juventus will take the UEFA Europa Conference League seriously. I don't think they were upset about being banned from this tournament either. They have already announced that they will not appeal against this decision. I think their place should always be the Champions League. However, they had previously received a relegation penalty in the Italian Serie A. Despite being a deeply rooted club with a large fan base, they are the subject of scandalous news. If Juventus club managers are not more transparent, Juventus will continue to suffer from a loss of reputation in the international arena.

Last season indeed is not the best season for Juventus because they were suffering unfavourable situation which make they have to finish at 7th position and UEFA Europa Conference is not Juventus target and if they didn't get deducted points maybe Juventus will finish at top 4 and playing at champion league so i think you were right that although Juventus will playing at that competition but maybe they will not give their priority to UEFA Europa Conference and Juventus has been showing their respond about this decision and indeed they felt dissapoint but Juventus confirmed they will accept it and will not appeal
I think this punishment give the advantages for Juventus because they will not playing at European competitions so Juventus can be more focus to Serie A because just like i said before Allegri was targetting Scudetto for next season

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Quote from: Ondekinecakabilirim on July 29, 2023, 08:55:47 AM

Juventus will not be in the UEFA Europa Conference League this season. They were banned from this trophy due to Financial Fair Play rules. In addition, UEFA fined Juventus 20 million Euros. Due to this decision, Fiorentina will join the UEFA Conference League instead of Juventus. I think it must have been a shocking decision for Juventus. They already had a points deduction in the league last season. And that's why they finished the league in 7th place. Now they have been banned from the UEFA Europa Conference League. They are really going through an unfortunate process far from their former glory days. I hope they get over this bad process quickly and start the season well.

Juventus will miss the Conference League - what a nightmare! Do you seriously think they were interested in it? I doubt that someone who even writes in the Conference League thread is able to name all the participants in the semi-finals of the 21-22 season. This tournament is not needed by any of the top clubs and Juventus has not lost anything by making a deal with UEFA.

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