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Topic: It's Illegal to Feed the Homeless in Florida... WTF? (Read 3512 times)

legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
That's the excuse the wrap the law around so it doesn't look like they're making charity illegal. Don't fall for it.

Nobody is "making charity illegal."  That's a strawman you created to prop up your otherwise unsupportable argument.

Time, place, and manner restrictions don't make charity illegal any more than they do free speech.

You sound exactly like the Occutards who insisted that camping in public was protected by the 1st Amendment.

All you accomplish is turning off reasonable people and setting back your cause.

If you want to help feed the hungry, good.  Do it at a church, food bank, shelter, or soup kitchen.  Not in a public park.

Is handing out sandwiches now illegal in this jurisdiction? Oh, it is? I'd say that makes a charitable act illegal. Your passionate defense of state power is noted though. You're such an obedient citizen.

Handing out sandwiches is perfectly legal (and even encouraged by the tax code's treatment of charitable contributions) when done in the proper manner, at an appropriate venue like a soup kitchen, shelter, church, or food bank.  Obviously.

Creating a messy situation in a public park by handing out sandwiches that were not made in accordance with local food safety regulations is illegal.  Duh!

I am against any Federal regulations on sandwich distribution.  I support the right of individuals to form communities that do regulate sandwich distribution if they so please.

Your antipathy to freedom of association and demands for an individual's altruism to be subsidized by the unwilling participants who must pay for the nasty externalized costs of that altruism is noted.  You're such a cool anarchist; nice trenchcoat BTW.
member
Activity: 98
Merit: 10
That's the excuse the wrap the law around so it doesn't look like they're making charity illegal. Don't fall for it.

Nobody is "making charity illegal."  That's a strawman you created to prop up your otherwise unsupportable argument.

Time, place, and manner restrictions don't make charity illegal any more than they do free speech.

You sound exactly like the Occutards who insisted that camping in public was protected by the 1st Amendment.

All you accomplish is turning off reasonable people and setting back your cause.

If you want to help feed the hungry, good.  Do it at a church, food bank, shelter, or soup kitchen.  Not in a public park.

Is handing out sandwiches now illegal in this jurisdiction? Oh, it is? I'd say that makes a charitable act illegal. Your passionate defense of state power is noted though. You're such an obedient citizen.
legendary
Activity: 2156
Merit: 1072
Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
I think that helping others is a virtue, why should be limited, not to help others at their own expense can ease the burden on the state, so the state does not need to be hard to take care of his people who are poor, it should be improved, so that the poor will soon diminish ...  Roll Eyes

Why should there be time, place, and manner restrictions on free speech if it is a virtue?

Shouldn't I be able to camp in the park/street/sidewalk next to your house and scream about the virtues of anarchy from 2AM until 8 in the morning?

You stupid kids make minimal statism look bad with this idiocy; no wonder the Libertarian Party is stuck in single digits as a permanent joke.

The first thing anarchists and minarchists must do is figure out how to deal with the fact that the vast majority of people do not want to live in an anarchist or minarchist community and work out a way to accommodate them.  That solution is called federalism.
legendary
Activity: 2156
Merit: 1072
Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
That's the excuse the wrap the law around so it doesn't look like they're making charity illegal. Don't fall for it.

Nobody is "making charity illegal."  That's a strawman you created to prop up your otherwise unsupportable argument.

Time, place, and manner restrictions don't make charity illegal any more than they do free speech.

You sound exactly like the Occutards who insisted that camping in public was protected by the 1st Amendment.

All you accomplish is turning off reasonable people and setting back your cause.

If you want to help feed the hungry, good.  Do it at a church, food bank, shelter, or soup kitchen.  Not in a public park.
full member
Activity: 158
Merit: 100
I think that helping others is a virtue, why should be limited, not to help others at their own expense can ease the burden on the state, so the state does not need to be hard to take care of his people who are poor, it should be improved, so that the poor will soon diminish ...  Roll Eyes
member
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And now they are offering free bus tickets to any homeless person who wishes to leave the city.  But of course, it is important to understand that this is simply mere coincidence, the intention of the law isn't to get rid of homeless people it is all about food safety  Roll Eyes

Just make sure they're "voluntary" free bus tickets.  Undecided
legendary
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Maybe they will head to the Satoshi Forest and Sean's Outpost?
sr. member
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And now they are offering free bus tickets to any homeless person who wishes to leave the city.  But of course, it is important to understand that this is simply mere coincidence, the intention of the law isn't to get rid of homeless people it is all about food safety  Roll Eyes
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This is not the only ridiculous US law, there are so many of them a simple google search will get you hundreds of them... an example a dozen http://justsomething.co/the-22-most-ridiculous-us-laws-still-in-effect-today-2/

It is sad to see that feeding other humans in need can get you to jail ...
You need to understand that he was arrested for more then just feeding people. There are regulations as to sanitary requirements and food service licenses that must be obtained before you can serve food to the public. The reason for this is to protect the public from potential food borne illnesses that can potentially be fatal.

That's the excuse the wrap the law around so it doesn't look like they're making charity illegal. Don't fall for it.
hero member
Activity: 1022
Merit: 500
This is not the only ridiculous US law, there are so many of them a simple google search will get you hundreds of them... an example a dozen http://justsomething.co/the-22-most-ridiculous-us-laws-still-in-effect-today-2/

It is sad to see that feeding other humans in need can get you to jail ...
You need to understand that he was arrested for more then just feeding people. There are regulations as to sanitary requirements and food service licenses that must be obtained before you can serve food to the public. The reason for this is to protect the public from potential food borne illnesses that can potentially be fatal.

You have to be careful that when you want to protect you in fact control and decrease freedom :

The State poisoning people to protect them :

http://www.vox.com/2014/8/8/5975605/alcohol-prohibition-poison
legendary
Activity: 1204
Merit: 1002
Gresham's Lawyer
This is not the only ridiculous US law, there are so many of them a simple google search will get you hundreds of them... an example a dozen http://justsomething.co/the-22-most-ridiculous-us-laws-still-in-effect-today-2/

It is sad to see that feeding other humans in need can get you to jail ...
You need to understand that he was arrested for more then just feeding people. There are regulations as to sanitary requirements and food service licenses that must be obtained before you can serve food to the public. The reason for this is to protect the public from potential food borne illnesses that can potentially be fatal.

LOL.
A license can protect someone from a food borne illness if the license is used to clean up the rat poop, or to wrap the fish to keep it from going bad.
legendary
Activity: 1135
Merit: 1001
@Swordsoffreedom that's true, but jails are intentionally overcrowded. It's not an accident or incompetence. Criminalize completely harmless and victimless things, and not only do you get free slave labor, but you also get rid of those in the lowest rungs of society more easily.

@MelodyRowell that's not even funny.
sr. member
Activity: 394
Merit: 250
This is not the only ridiculous US law, there are so many of them a simple google search will get you hundreds of them... an example a dozen http://justsomething.co/the-22-most-ridiculous-us-laws-still-in-effect-today-2/

It is sad to see that feeding other humans in need can get you to jail ...
You need to understand that he was arrested for more then just feeding people. There are regulations as to sanitary requirements and food service licenses that must be obtained before you can serve food to the public. The reason for this is to protect the public from potential food borne illnesses that can potentially be fatal.
legendary
Activity: 2884
Merit: 1115
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This is not the only ridiculous US law, there are so many of them a simple google search will get you hundreds of them... an example a dozen http://justsomething.co/the-22-most-ridiculous-us-laws-still-in-effect-today-2/

It is sad to see that feeding other humans in need can get you to jail ...

Yep looking at the other thread he got arrested again
Kind of makes you facepalm when you think the reason the US jail system is overcongested may be because of stupid crimes like these
Not really a crime per say but just an action that has been written as a crime in the book.
hero member
Activity: 588
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This is not the only ridiculous US law, there are so many of them a simple google search will get you hundreds of them... an example a dozen http://justsomething.co/the-22-most-ridiculous-us-laws-still-in-effect-today-2/

It is sad to see that feeding other humans in need can get you to jail ...
hero member
Activity: 1022
Merit: 500
Non aggression principle and mutually beneficial interactions should be the foundation of a libertarian society; you can have laws but an extremely small number of them such as "don't kill"; you would not have the law enforced in the case we are discussing

Could you please clarify/expand on the underlined? I don't follow what you mean by "unforced."

Edit: Unless you mean "enforced?"

I did meant enforced sorry. In a libertarian society, laws to control and protect activity will be non-existent or extremely rare. You won't be able to pollute at will and if you pollute and other suffer a loss you would have to compensate them.
legendary
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Non aggression principle and mutually beneficial interactions should be the foundation of a libertarian society; you can have laws but an extremely small number of them such as "don't kill"; you would not have the law unforced in the case we are discussing

Could you please clarify/expand on the underlined? I don't follow what you mean by "unforced."

Edit: Unless you mean "enforced?"
hero member
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Freedom of association is the freedom to associate with certain groups of your own will, not the freedom to pass laws governing the behavior of other people. You've got a really poor understanding of what freedom is.
By seeking to impose a universal prohibition of food sharing bans, you advocate destroying the freedom you claim to value.

Double negative logic? How embarrassing for you! By restricting laws that restrict the freedom of people, you're infringing my right to belong to a group of people that passes laws that dictate what other people can do. Cry  

Haha, yeah, you're a real champion of freedom.  Roll Eyes

I'm not embarrassed to agree with libertarianism; it's the most rational position available. 

And yes, I am a real champion of freedom, unlike you sophomoric black flag waving jokers who run around yelling "Help! Help! - I'm being repressed!"

I suspect your malfunction is that you believe in anarchy, not intentional communities supported by the foundation of a minimal federal government.

How dare you insist that like-minded individuals have no right to establish communal structures which they believe maximize their utility?

If you don't want to live in a community that disallows bums begging/stealing/crapping/pissing all over the place, you are free to move to one that does.

If you hate the state so much, pack up and go to Somalia.  I'm sure the warlords will find your first-world whining about how oppressed you were by high standards of public sanitation and food safety very amusing!   Cheesy

I'm a minarchist, which is why I reject you attempting to use laws to dictate the actions of other people. If you want to have a community where no one is allowed to share food, that's fine. But you can't use the police to force other people not to do it. That's not libertarian, that's use of force, the opposite of libertarian. I suspect your malfunction is you don't know that you're a closeted republican. How dare you sully the flag of freedom with your police-state ideas about what people are allowed to do. If you hate freedom so much, why don't you move to Russia? They love to use the police to tell you what you can't do!  Cheesy

Non aggression principle and mutually beneficial interactions should be the foundation of a libertarian society; you can have laws but an extremely small number of them such as "don't kill"; you would not have the law unforced in the case we are discussing
legendary
Activity: 2044
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Freedom of association is the freedom to associate with certain groups of your own will, not the freedom to pass laws governing the behavior of other people. You've got a really poor understanding of what freedom is.
By seeking to impose a universal prohibition of food sharing bans, you advocate destroying the freedom you claim to value.

Double negative logic? How embarrassing for you! By restricting laws that restrict the freedom of people, you're infringing my right to belong to a group of people that passes laws that dictate what other people can do. Cry  

Haha, yeah, you're a real champion of freedom.  Roll Eyes

I'm not embarrassed to agree with libertarianism; it's the most rational position available. 

And yes, I am a real champion of freedom, unlike you sophomoric black flag waving jokers who run around yelling "Help! Help! - I'm being repressed!"

I suspect your malfunction is that you believe in anarchy, not intentional communities supported by the foundation of a minimal federal government.

How dare you insist that like-minded individuals have no right to establish communal structures which they believe maximize their utility?

If you don't want to live in a community that disallows bums begging/stealing/crapping/pissing all over the place, you are free to move to one that does.

If you hate the state so much, pack up and go to Somalia.  I'm sure the warlords will find your first-world whining about how oppressed you were by high standards of public sanitation and food safety very amusing!   Cheesy

I'm a minarchist, which is why I reject you attempting to use laws to dictate the actions of other people. If you want to have a community where no one is allowed to share food, that's fine. But you can't use the police to force other people not to do it. That's not libertarian, that's use of force, the opposite of libertarian. I suspect your malfunction is you don't know that you're a closeted republican. How dare you sully the flag of freedom with your police-state ideas about what people are allowed to do. If you hate freedom so much, why don't you move to Russia? They love to use the police to tell you what you can't do!  Cheesy
legendary
Activity: 2156
Merit: 1072
Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
Freedom of association is the freedom to associate with certain groups of your own will, not the freedom to pass laws governing the behavior of other people. You've got a really poor understanding of what freedom is.
By seeking to impose a universal prohibition of food sharing bans, you advocate destroying the freedom you claim to value.

Double negative logic? How embarrassing for you! By restricting laws that restrict the freedom of people, you're infringing my right to belong to a group of people that passes laws that dictate what other people can do. Cry  

Haha, yeah, you're a real champion of freedom.  Roll Eyes

I'm not embarrassed to agree with libertarianism; it's the most rational position available. 

And yes, I am a real champion of freedom, unlike you sophomoric black flag waving jokers who run around yelling "Help! Help! - I'm being repressed!"

I suspect your malfunction is that you believe in anarchy, not intentional communities supported by the foundation of a minimal federal government.

How dare you insist that like-minded individuals have no right to establish communal structures which they believe maximize their utility?

If you don't want to live in a community that disallows bums begging/stealing/crapping/pissing all over the place, you are free to move to one that does.

If you hate the state so much, pack up and go to Somalia.  I'm sure the warlords will find your first-world whining about how oppressed you were by high standards of public sanitation and food safety very amusing!   Cheesy
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