Topic: I've got accused of scamming - Thanks Vod - Suggestion for the future (Read 3208 times)

Vod I don't know what your motivation is for your foolishness but you are wrong on so many things about PICISI its a shame.

You desire to start trouble where there is none, and fan flames where there are little is additionally shameful.





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All of the information was there, all of it was essentially spoon feed, but because the person didn't want to see the facts for what they actually s/he could not see them.  

Armis made 47 posts about me yesterday, stating only 2 or 3 BS points, but copying and pasting everywhere he could find a reference to me.  He has yet to come online today - I wonder is he was shit ass drunk and now has a hangover...

He made 10 posts (and an unknown number of PMs to the "media") saying no client had every asked for a refund and I was committing "libelous misrepresentation" by stating that one had.  I pointed out where Armis stated one client had asked for a refund.

Now that he has been proven a liar, since he DID state a client wanted a refund, who believes he will do the ethical thing and go back and right wrongs in all those messages and PMs?

Anyone?  Anyone?  Anyone....?

He's a pathetic lying scammer who knows he is accountable to nobody.  Doesn't damage his imaginary reputation to try and damage mine.   

You have 4 more days to stop playing "pretend business man" Armis.

Armis is an idiot and a scammer, but he is also funny!  

He made around a dozen identical posts as well as sending to who knows how many media outlets, the following:


The fact is - he did claim a sponsor wanted a refund.  His claim is still up, in his original unedited post (until he edits it, that is).     He just forgot about it and it just got lost in this campaign of OVERWHELM and CONFUSE.  His inability to keep his lies straight somehow got twisted into my being untrustworthy.  

Can't wait until the "media" spread this, as Armis' credibility has probably gotten as low as it can here.  Think about this the next time Armis makes a claim about anything,

Here's the simple, condensed proof that only needs a few words....

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11407582

I think Vod admitted that he created those accounts , in this post :




https://archive.is/4kPbD

What you gave me is an account(s) allegedly created by Vod. Unless you can prove that Vod actually did create the account(s) this is quite pointless.
You'd need IP logs which probably wouldn't even be accurate because someone could be using a VPS/Proxy.
Yes. If you do find it either make a case against him or contact the staff. However I doubt that you will find anything because so many people trust Vod. He has no reason to ruin this.

So you are saying that what I already gave you is insufficient proof to proved that Vod  created scammy/fraudulent account?  
And you feel perhaps someone else did it.

Oh, and you said "making false accusations is deserving of negative trust right"?

Ok, so let's say I search the site, and I find an iron clad proof that Vod has a trolling/misleading/fraudulent/scammy account and that he is using it to troll?  
Then what?  What do you believe is the reasonable solution for him or anyone doing such a thing?

Do you think they are trustworthy?  

Let me rephrase this again: Please provide real evidence.
http://www.rotlaw.com/legal-library/what-is-real-evidence-is-it-the-same-thing-as-physical-evidence/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_evidence

Exactly how are you going to prove to me that that account was created by Vod. How do you know that it was not someone else; maybe it was me? Hopefully you get what I'm aiming at.
Without hard proof these is no story here. You call upon some 'sufficient proof' that is in my face. Try using this "proof" in a real trial and see what happens.

Unless you can really prove that Vod did create this account (which you can't), you're making false accusations. This is also something that usually gets 'rewarded' with negative trust.

Vod is using a scammy account to give the false impression that he speaks for PICISI, but worse than that he is also actually lying when he claims that any sponsor requested a refund, not sponsor requested any refund.  In fact 1 has indicated that his next new business will also be a PICISI sponsor.

This is outrageous, not only because Vod is purporting to be associated with PICISI, but he's claiming that I said things that I didn't say in that post.  Note that the thread is locked and apparently only unlocked when Vod want to make a new entry.   That is not free speech that's libelous misrepresentation:


https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/defense-against-armis-overwhelm-and-confuse-ongoing-attack-1060460



So LaudaM  is what you see there necessary drama?

Is the foolishness that Vod is doing necessary drama?

Is it necessary for him to create accounts in order to mislead people into thinking that he is representing PICISI when he doesn't?

Why would you even demand proof of anything when you had sufficient proof of gross malfeasance right in front of your face. 
It goes directly to Vod's credibility, I didn't make it up, those are his words, that's his admission of malfeasance. 

You pointing out Vods right to give neg feedback is "unnecessary" because that wasn't the subject, what was addressed was
vod's false witness, was his scammy behavior, was his fraudulent and misleading use of accounts to damage the character of
my username and the name of PICISI.  Do you believe he has a right to do that?

Hello your highness!

Now you know why he's anonymous - no consequences.  

(awww looks like the little guy puttered himself out and went to bed)

If you have the proof provide it, otherwise stop causing unnecessary drama. With the absence of evidence, there is nothing that you can do. I can claim to be the rightful king of England. 
Vod has every right to give you negative trust as soon as he 'thinks' that you might be a scammer. Every member can give you negative trust for that very same reason.

Someone needs to lock this already.

I created PICISI, Vod accused me of scamming, then proceeded to create multiple accounts to appear to be PICISI to misrepresent both me and PICISI:



You created fake accounts then later 'determine' that it was unethical then closed them.   But some how you could not see how unethical it was while you were thinking about it?

It was unethical when you thought about, that was the time to remove it, but you failed to,
it was unethical when you started the process, that was the 2nd time your conscious told you to reconsider, but you dismissed it,
it was unethical when you agreed to the terms of the site that essentially said operate by the golden rule, but you refused,
it was unethical when you used it to access the site, with that username but by this time there was no more good in you to stand for righteousness,
it was unethical when you used it to create an entry, and by this time your heart had to be beating faster because you knew or should have known that your wrong would be found out.
it was unethical when you allowed it to remain as long as you did. this is when other probably told you: "what are you doing?"  "Stop that", "take it down", "you're going to regret that", "I don't think you should do that", "that's going to be a problem for you",  "be careful with that I'm not sure if anyone is going to have your back on that" ... and only then was it "determined" that it was unethical.

and it wasn't for only one fake account, or two phony accounts, it was for at least THREE FRAUDULENT REPRESENTATIONS that you identified as unethical.  But it doesn't end there, you still created other accounts for the sole purpose of misrepresenting yourself as someone authorized to represent PICISI.  And have the audacity to claim that because the start-up hasn't started that you have the right to freely abuse and mistreat it. What are you some corporate abortionist?  

Then, after all of that you actually call yourself "honest and ethical" even after admitting to mass unethical behavior-- how pathological is that?


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He still maintains accounts and is still using them to misrepresent me.   How is that not unethical, how is that not scammy, how is that not wrong on so many levels especially for a purported scam buster.

I am in agreement with this. All of us have opinions. We each have day to day lives. I wish everyone the best. GL with each of our endeavours and Happy Bitcoining

I gained nothing personal with what I did....

Sorry guys, I've already explained how this is a scam many times, but I guess we don't see eye to eye.

I'm going to do what tspacepilot is doing, and just move on.

I guess I agree with you here more or less.  It seems like I'm not going to be convincing Vod that MSCORP motivations are irrelevant to trading bitcoins so I've added "~Vod" to my trust settings and I guess I'm just going to go on with my life.  I agree that it does seem like a shame that he can't seem to differentiate between goals MSCORP and the goals of the bitcoin community.

This is where he abused the trust system in place. If he had not been in default trust, then nothing he did would have been wrong. He could have -trust anybody he felt like and probably never received any remarks other than the ones he left them on. But since he decided to add -trust while on the default trust list for personal gain is unacceptable. If you are held in higher regard in matters, then you have to hold yourself to these standards whether you like them or not.

Great, that's a helpful analogy.  We could sit around arguing about whether MSCORP is evil and whether or not attacking them is in the name of Justice.  Or, what I suggest, and the reason I brought up the above, is that this argument is tangential to whether or not someone is trustworthy to make a bitcoin deal with.  And that if Vod can see that, then, perhaps he will work on something more productive (and less devisive and distracting) than enforcing MSCORP trade policy on default trust.

Looks like we need to suggest theymos to add a sub-forum labeled Vod. These threads keep pilling up. People are starting to become nuisances. You aren't doing anything wrong. You're even offering second chances (which is something that is rare these days).
They can believe that Unicorns live on the Alps. That won't make it true.

I understand that you consider protection of MSCORP intellectual property to be a top priority in righting the wrongs of the world.  However, believe it or not, there are those who believe that installing MSCORP software on your computer is a scam.  That MSCORP is stealing your personal information and freedom.  If I were to apply this criterion in deciding who to trade bitcoins with, I'd have to mark you as a scammer.  However, hopefully we can both see that just because you decide to support MSCORP in stealing from others doesn't mean that you won't pay back a loan or come through on a trade.

I think it's pretty darn clear that this guy's opinions about MSCORP are pretty irrelevant to trust on bitcointalk.org.  Again, it's not clear why you aren't willing to set aside your personal love for a particular multi-billion dollar corporation in this context.  I'm surprised you can't see how unhelpful it is to concentrate on one controversial side-issue rather than on actual tangible scams in which someone is misrepresenting themself or the services they provide.

You mean if the thief is honestly providing the service he says, right?  Theft is a scam.

Yes. This forum is not meant for people representing companies picking out select deals that are against their own company. Also this forum is extremely small and some guy selling a couple keys is not going to hurt the multi billion dollar company that is microsoft.
The key seller is not actually scamming everyone, why don't you not waste time with this kind of thing and look more at the ACTUAL scammers.