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Topic: I've got accused of scamming - Thanks Vod - Suggestion for the future - page 3. (Read 3219 times)

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I think that since there is a clear conflict of interest with Vod in these cases since he has a financial interest in Microsoft that he should not be giving negative trust for the sole reason that the sellers are selling MSDN keys.

Everyone who buys a copy of Windows has a financial interest in Microsoft.  You want the product you paid for to keep getting patched, don't you?

In my case, I've invested time and money to become certified.  I don't work for Microsoft - I work with their products.  If Microsoft were to go under, all the money and time I spent would become useless.
I am actually an Apple person personally.   

IMO Microsoft should take better steps to protect their IP if they don't want people selling MSDN keys like this. I also think their products are generally horribly overpriced and this high price probably factors in a certain level of activity.

Plus it isn't like people can get around needing to have keys to Microsoft products at all - for example using Google sheets to open an excel spreadsheet

Hi,

Are you really serious? Apple is more overpriced than microsoft and the second company is more used than the first. So will you give him a negative trust ?
Microsoft doesn't sell hardware (they sell phones but that is not what I am talking about). If you buy an apple computer then you will get the operating system and their equivalent to ms office suite for free (it might cost something but it is a lot less then office). You also generally can upgrade your OS when a new one is released without having to pay verses having to buy a license to upgrade to the newest version of windows/office when a new one comes out.

I don't think there is a victim here. You could say that Microsoft is the victim but they need to do a better job of protecting themselves. If/when the keys they sell are invalidated, the products will generally still work provided they are not checking for automatic updates (this should be an easy fix). Plus chances are their customers can afford to get "scammed" multiple times throughout the product life cycle before they would have spent more money on keys verses what they would have paid Microsoft.

I am not advocating that people either buy or sell these keys (I think it would probably actually be best not to trade these keys- but I am not anyone's father on here and cannot make this decision for other people) however I don't think they are scamming.
hero member
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I think that since there is a clear conflict of interest with Vod in these cases since he has a financial interest in Microsoft that he should not be giving negative trust for the sole reason that the sellers are selling MSDN keys.

Everyone who buys a copy of Windows has a financial interest in Microsoft.  You want the product you paid for to keep getting patched, don't you?

In my case, I've invested time and money to become certified.  I don't work for Microsoft - I work with their products.  If Microsoft were to go under, all the money and time I spent would become useless.
I am actually an Apple person personally.   

IMO Microsoft should take better steps to protect their IP if they don't want people selling MSDN keys like this. I also think their products are generally horribly overpriced and this high price probably factors in a certain level of activity.

Plus it isn't like people can get around needing to have keys to Microsoft products at all - for example using Google sheets to open an excel spreadsheet

Hi,

Are you really serious? Apple is more overpriced than microsoft and the second company is more used than the first. So will you give him a negative trust ?
copper member
Activity: 2996
Merit: 2374
I think that since there is a clear conflict of interest with Vod in these cases since he has a financial interest in Microsoft that he should not be giving negative trust for the sole reason that the sellers are selling MSDN keys.

Everyone who buys a copy of Windows has a financial interest in Microsoft.  You want the product you paid for to keep getting patched, don't you?

In my case, I've invested time and money to become certified.  I don't work for Microsoft - I work with their products.  If Microsoft were to go under, all the money and time I spent would become useless.
I am actually an Apple person personally.  

IMO Microsoft should take better steps to protect their IP if they don't want people selling MSDN keys like this. I also think their products are generally horribly overpriced and this high price probably factors in a certain level of activity.

Plus it isn't like people can't get around needing to have keys to Microsoft products at all - for example using Google sheets to open an excel spreadsheet
Vod
legendary
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Licking my boob since 1970
I think that since there is a clear conflict of interest with Vod in these cases since he has a financial interest in Microsoft that he should not be giving negative trust for the sole reason that the sellers are selling MSDN keys.

Everyone who buys a copy of Windows has a financial interest in Microsoft.  You want the product you paid for to keep getting patched, don't you?

In my case, I've invested time and money to become certified.  I don't work for Microsoft - I work with their products.  If Microsoft were to go under, all the money and time I spent would become useless.
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Don't blame Vod. You're the one that snitched on SellMaster3000.

Him is working a lack of fairness and transparency in an effort to for the purpose of removing me when I sell the key MS here.

Or Him was the one who sold the key MS here (goal is to compete in the business)
copper member
Activity: 2996
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I think that since there is a clear conflict of interest with Vod in these cases since he has a financial interest in Microsoft that he should not be giving negative trust for the sole reason that the sellers are selling MSDN keys.

With the exception of fuckidolplus (I think he has pretty much dug his own grave) that Vod should remove the negative trust on all the sellers and then open a scam accusation against them with the reasons why he thinks they deserve negative trust and why he thinks they are scamming. Then anyone else who believes his argument (and not the argument of the people who say negative trust is not appropriate) and is in the default trust network will be free to leave them negative trust.   
Vod
legendary
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Licking my boob since 1970
Hi there,

Everyone knows this by now, Vod went on a negative trust killing spree. I agree with the fact that selling keys obtained by MSDN is a moral question and in violation with the TOS of Microsoft, but it's not a crime at all.

I openly admit that I sell these keys, everyone knows that by now, but does that make me a scammer? I don't think so. Right now, I've got 2 complaints. This is caused by Human mistakes because I accidentally mixed up some keys. What's the action that follows? Me helping the people by either assisting them or giving them replacement keys. I'm not trying to make myself look better, because I know that what I'm doing is wrong, but I'm doing it in a nice way.

I have two suggestions though. I think people with default trust should be reviewed more often. For example, Vod gave everyone who sells Microsoft keys negative trust because he works for Microsoft. Long story short, he lets his Scambusting job on here being influenced by his personal life. When this happens, you should be suspended from your duty.

The second suggestion is banning everything that is illegal on this forum (or giving everyone negative trust that sells illegal things). Selling hacked Netflix accounts for example might even be a bigger crime than what we are doing. Discrimination is what is happening right now. The Microsoft key sellers are the jews and Vod is the Nazi (Just make clear that this is an example and not meant to offend anyone in any way, unless it's Vod Cheesy).

As of right now, there is only one guy that gets it. His name is Tecshare.

Have a nice day,

Jake

Jake - read my signature.  I do remove negative feedback if you are willing to stop selling the MSDN keys.  I offer second chances.
legendary
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brb keeping up with the Kardashians
Let me tell you one thing. He's a dick Smiley

I hope this summarises everything.

Don't blame Vod. You're the one that snitched on SellMaster3000.
full member
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Merit: 100
Let me tell you one thing. He's a dick Smiley

I hope this summarises everything.
sr. member
Activity: 392
Merit: 250
Hi there,

Everyone knows this by now, Vod went on a negative trust killing spree. I agree with the fact that selling keys obtained by MSDN is a moral question and in violation with the TOS of Microsoft, but it's not a crime at all.

I openly admit that I sell these keys, everyone knows that by now, but does that make me a scammer? I don't think so. Right now, I've got 2 complaints. This is caused by Human mistakes because I accidentally mixed up some keys. What's the action that follows? Me helping the people by either assisting them or giving them replacement keys. I'm not trying to make myself look better, because I know that what I'm doing is wrong, but I'm doing it in a nice way.

I have two suggestions though. I think people with default trust should be reviewed more often. For example, Vod gave everyone who sells Microsoft keys negative trust because he works for Microsoft. Long story short, he lets his Scambusting job on here being influenced by his personal life. When this happens, you should be suspended from your duty.

The second suggestion is banning everything that is illegal on this forum (or giving everyone negative trust that sells illegal things). Selling hacked Netflix accounts for example might even be a bigger crime than what we are doing. Discrimination is what is happening right now. The Microsoft key sellers are the jews and Vod is the Nazi (Just make clear that this is an example and not meant to offend anyone in any way, unless it's Vod Cheesy).

As of right now, there is only one guy that gets it. His name is Tecshare.

Have a nice day,

Jake
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