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September 23, 2022, 02:04:40 PM
I just watched the press conference, which I know I'm a little late too, but I must say I was quite impressed by Jake. He didn't resort to his normal internet personality, and came across as a nice guy. Giving credits to Anderson, and you can kind of tell that this kid grew up watching, and admiring him. That's nice to see. I know they recreated the picture they took several years ago with Logan too.

Obviously, the fights a little bit off now, and I thought a press conference was a little early, but Anderson talks about how he's training all the time. So, that might be worth considering, since I know that generally fighters that are ageing usually don't end up committing to the same training schedule they did when they were in their prime. So, that age might not show as much on Anderson, which I do believe is the case since he's looked good just over a year ago in his last fights.

One thing that I am worried about exhibition fights, is they may have prior arrangements.
We don't know if these 2 already know the results of their fight. So hard to say the outcome.
So even if Silva is preparing also, if they already know who should win here, then, it is the loss of the boxing fans.
Also, the judges may just rule this out as draw even if there is a clear winner.
With this, better not to bet on their fight, just watch for entertainment purposes only.

Yeah trying to place a bet on these types of matches is almost impossible.  Might as well go with the underdog and take the odds because it's really up in the air who wins these.  It's subpar boxing at best as these are professional boxers.  I won't be watching this one, it's cringy watching these as a pure boxing fan.

Indeed mate, these kinds of fights are risky to bet because we cannot take away the chance that both camps might have some agreements even before the fight was announced. We all know in the first place why Silva and Jake Paul have agreed to fight and that's because of the money, alone! What else? There's no bad blood between them or known rivalry, they've just surfaced suddenly because they know that their equation will give them millions. Their fight may be interesting to watch but this is not a pure professional fight even if it's considered as a pro-fight.
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September 23, 2022, 06:17:57 AM
Lets discuss the probability, that this fight is going to be staged. Do you think this is possible? I doubt that Jake is able to knockout Silva, but I consider that this fight might end with a draw. And I dont expect Jake to be knocked out (due to clause in fight contract). Btw, Silva is going to be Jakes first southpaw opponent. For real unprofessional, this is going to cause troubles.

It's only a possibility in the same way it is in any other boxing match or sport. Matches being 'fixed' are very rare, but what isn't rare is armchair critics who think everything is fixed once something doesn't go their way or the way they expected. How exactly do you stage such a thing without it being obvious? They're not really punching each other in the face, or maybe the punches they throw are CGId in in real time? It's usually pretty obvious if someone gets KOd with a very light touch and if that happens then you might have a case for their being something dodgy going on, but I've seen none of that in Jake's fights or any other youtuber boxing match. Both parties really want to win and nobody wants to lose because it's embarrassing, and even more so when you get KOd by a youtuber. Both Woodley and Askrem have said essentially the same thing and Woodley at least is humble enough to give Jake credit for a great KO.

Also, there is no such thing as a no knock-out clause. That's just something idiots on the internet make up once someone doesn't get a KO. How the hell can you fight someone and bar a KO. The only really valid criticism you could have of Jake right now is he's cherry picking his opponents to stack the odds in his favour by only fighting ex-MMA fighters and retired ones at that, but still, people like Woodley and Silva are no pushovers even at their ages. Personally I'm not sure we will see a knock out but could see it going the distance.
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September 23, 2022, 05:09:44 AM
Lets discuss the probability, that this fight is going to be staged. Do you think this is possible? I doubt that Jake is able to knockout Silva, but I consider that this fight might end with a draw. And I dont expect Jake to be knocked out (due to clause in fight contract). Btw, Silva is going to be Jakes first southpaw opponent. For real unprofessional, this is going to cause troubles.
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September 23, 2022, 05:07:39 AM
I just watched the press conference, which I know I'm a little late too, but I must say I was quite impressed by Jake. He didn't resort to his normal internet personality, and came across as a nice guy. Giving credits to Anderson, and you can kind of tell that this kid grew up watching, and admiring him. That's nice to see. I know they recreated the picture they took several years ago with Logan too.

Obviously, the fights a little bit off now, and I thought a press conference was a little early, but Anderson talks about how he's training all the time. So, that might be worth considering, since I know that generally fighters that are ageing usually don't end up committing to the same training schedule they did when they were in their prime. So, that age might not show as much on Anderson, which I do believe is the case since he's looked good just over a year ago in his last fights.

It's the right way to go about it. No point manufacturing drama, especially if you respect your opponent and Silva isn't really one to give it back anyway. He's fairly quiet and reserved really so it would be out of character or very one sided if they were going to go the psychological warfare approach. Trash talking only really works when both are committed. I'd love to see the build up to a fight against Jake V Connor or Andrew Tate or something. The press conferences would be better than the actual fight.

I just watched the press conference, which I know I'm a little late too, but I must say I was quite impressed by Jake. He didn't resort to his normal internet personality, and came across as a nice guy. Giving credits to Anderson, and you can kind of tell that this kid grew up watching, and admiring him. That's nice to see. I know they recreated the picture they took several years ago with Logan too.

Obviously, the fights a little bit off now, and I thought a press conference was a little early, but Anderson talks about how he's training all the time. So, that might be worth considering, since I know that generally fighters that are ageing usually don't end up committing to the same training schedule they did when they were in their prime. So, that age might not show as much on Anderson, which I do believe is the case since he's looked good just over a year ago in his last fights.

One thing that I am worried about exhibition fights, is they may have prior arrangements.
We don't know if these 2 already know the results of their fight. So hard to say the outcome.
So even if Silva is preparing also, if they already know who should win here, then, it is the loss of the boxing fans.
Also, the judges may just rule this out as draw even if there is a clear winner.
With this, better not to bet on their fight, just watch for entertainment purposes only.

It's not an exhibition match. It's a professional one. Neither parties want to lose and if you think this match is fixed then you might as well be saying the same about all pro fights.
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September 22, 2022, 06:58:14 PM
I just watched the press conference, which I know I'm a little late too, but I must say I was quite impressed by Jake. He didn't resort to his normal internet personality, and came across as a nice guy. Giving credits to Anderson, and you can kind of tell that this kid grew up watching, and admiring him. That's nice to see. I know they recreated the picture they took several years ago with Logan too.

Obviously, the fights a little bit off now, and I thought a press conference was a little early, but Anderson talks about how he's training all the time. So, that might be worth considering, since I know that generally fighters that are ageing usually don't end up committing to the same training schedule they did when they were in their prime. So, that age might not show as much on Anderson, which I do believe is the case since he's looked good just over a year ago in his last fights.

One thing that I am worried about exhibition fights, is they may have prior arrangements.
We don't know if these 2 already know the results of their fight. So hard to say the outcome.
So even if Silva is preparing also, if they already know who should win here, then, it is the loss of the boxing fans.
Also, the judges may just rule this out as draw even if there is a clear winner.
With this, better not to bet on their fight, just watch for entertainment purposes only.

Yeah trying to place a bet on these types of matches is almost impossible.  Might as well go with the underdog and take the odds because it's really up in the air who wins these.  It's subpar boxing at best as these are professional boxers.  I won't be watching this one, it's cringy watching these as a pure boxing fan.
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September 22, 2022, 06:55:35 PM
I just watched the press conference, which I know I'm a little late too, but I must say I was quite impressed by Jake. He didn't resort to his normal internet personality, and came across as a nice guy. Giving credits to Anderson, and you can kind of tell that this kid grew up watching, and admiring him. That's nice to see. I know they recreated the picture they took several years ago with Logan too.

Obviously, the fights a little bit off now, and I thought a press conference was a little early, but Anderson talks about how he's training all the time. So, that might be worth considering, since I know that generally fighters that are ageing usually don't end up committing to the same training schedule they did when they were in their prime. So, that age might not show as much on Anderson, which I do believe is the case since he's looked good just over a year ago in his last fights.

One thing that I am worried about exhibition fights, is they may have prior arrangements.
We don't know if these 2 already know the results of their fight. So hard to say the outcome.
So even if Silva is preparing also, if they already know who should win here, then, it is the loss of the boxing fans.
Also, the judges may just rule this out as draw even if there is a clear winner.
With this, better not to bet on their fight, just watch for entertainment purposes only.
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September 22, 2022, 06:39:15 PM
I just watched the press conference, which I know I'm a little late too, but I must say I was quite impressed by Jake. He didn't resort to his normal internet personality, and came across as a nice guy. Giving credits to Anderson, and you can kind of tell that this kid grew up watching, and admiring him. That's nice to see. I know they recreated the picture they took several years ago with Logan too.

Obviously, the fights a little bit off now, and I thought a press conference was a little early, but Anderson talks about how he's training all the time. So, that might be worth considering, since I know that generally fighters that are ageing usually don't end up committing to the same training schedule they did when they were in their prime. So, that age might not show as much on Anderson, which I do believe is the case since he's looked good just over a year ago in his last fights.
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September 21, 2022, 02:49:24 PM
I definitely believe that Silva can make Jake Paul struggle but I guess we can only see that in the first few rounds where Silva have the stamina needed and expected to dominate the fight, but when it comes to middle rounds, that's where we can definitely see Jake Paul dominating because most probably, Silva has already gassed out. We know that MMA doesn't have enough stamina to go full 12-rounds compared to the boxer who is trained for it.

I agree, Jake Paul skill is still unpolished, I see his fight and only noticed openings whenever he attack.  This might be exploited by Silva and hit a couple of punches before Jake put up his defenses, I said that because it takes too long for Jake to get his defense back after punching.  Though when it comes in stamina, I don't know if Jake Paul will be conditioned enough to not get exhauseted in the middle part of the match.  If you happen to see his fight before, you'll see that Jake Paul got easily exhausted, exhaustion reflects on the third or fourth round of his previous fight against woodley he was lucky to land a KO punch though.

This fight might go either way because both fighter are lacking something that might be taken advantage of the opponent.

silva should be aggressive in the first rounds of this fight and finish it fast. otherwise, paul will possibly dominate if this will go the distance. gassing out is i think the enemy here of silva in the later rounds. but in any case, paul will have a different caliber of opponent here, and should be hard for him this time to win this exhibition fight.

I reviewed some recent fights of Jake Paul and it seems to me that he will have the same struggle that Silva will face when it comes to middle rounds, both of them has a problem when it comes to stamina because even if Jake Paul is a boxer, he is not that used to do long explosive fights as his foe those times is not a Bonafide boxer and for Silva, he is not used doing fights in the ring where the fights are much longer than UFC.
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September 20, 2022, 05:51:56 PM
Yes, betting on Jake Paul is much more profitable as he is considered as underdog by the bookies while Silva is a heavy favorite. People might be confused because they probably know more about Silva than Jake Paul who is still struggling to be a full pledge boxer in the eyes of the people, but Jake is likely going to be the winner here and might defeat the former MMA fighter by a way of knockout especially when the fight drags on while Silva is grasping for air.

I'm rooting for Silva here because he's much older and Jake Paul is cocky and as some people have said already likes to pick on washed up fighters past their prime, although Silva can't be described that way. I watched his fight against Chavez Jr. and he's still good. You might try to bet on Jake because of how much you can get if he wins, but the winner is most likely going to be Silva, unless something unpredictable happens. A fight can turn after a simple mistake. Your eye gets cut and you get a stoppage, things like that.


Gotta hand that to you, that fight was almost crystal clear that Silva is not a washed out fighter and still has reflexes because he defeated the former middleweight champion in his own sport, Chavez Jr. Although, I'm not a fan of Jake Paul, it's still hard for me to believe that Silva can win this time and the latter will be the one to teach him lessons. Well, this is interesting to see next month, ain't going to let this slide.

Cesar Chavez and Anderson Silva is both classified as a washed out fighter in their respective sport especially Chavez who keeps on losing after his fight against Canelo, it's true that Silva is still formidable and quite agile at his age and probably the reason why he outboxed Chavez in his own playground.

But this time is different, Silva is fighting a much younger boxer who may or may not defeat him by a KO but I'm almost positive that he will wash Silva this time inside the boxing ring. I may be wrong in this speculation but I really do think that Jake Paul will be the one who will be victorious at the end of the day.
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September 20, 2022, 02:45:01 PM
Yes, betting on Jake Paul is much more profitable as he is considered as underdog by the bookies while Silva is a heavy favorite. People might be confused because they probably know more about Silva than Jake Paul who is still struggling to be a full pledge boxer in the eyes of the people, but Jake is likely going to be the winner here and might defeat the former MMA fighter by a way of knockout especially when the fight drags on while Silva is grasping for air.

I'm rooting for Silva here because he's much older and Jake Paul is cocky and as some people have said already likes to pick on washed up fighters past their prime, although Silva can't be described that way. I watched his fight against Chavez Jr. and he's still good. You might try to bet on Jake because of how much you can get if he wins, but the winner is most likely going to be Silva, unless something unpredictable happens. A fight can turn after a simple mistake. Your eye gets cut and you get a stoppage, things like that.


Gotta hand that to you, that fight was almost crystal clear that Silva is not a washed out fighter and still has reflexes because he defeated the former middleweight champion in his own sport, Chavez Jr. Although, I'm not a fan of Jake Paul, it's still hard for me to believe that Silva can win this time and the latter will be the one to teach him lessons. Well, this is interesting to see next month, ain't going to let this slide.
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September 20, 2022, 08:52:23 AM
I agree, Jake Paul skill is still unpolished, I see his fight and only noticed openings whenever he attack.  This might be exploited by Silva and hit a couple of punches before Jake put up his defenses, I said that because it takes too long for Jake to get his defense back after punching.  Though when it comes in stamina, I don't know if Jake Paul will be conditioned enough to not get exhauseted in the middle part of the match.  If you happen to see his fight before, you'll see that Jake Paul got easily exhausted, exhaustion reflects on the third or fourth round of his previous fight against woodley he was lucky to land a KO punch though.

This fight might go either way because both fighter are lacking something that might be taken advantage of the opponent.
What fighter isn't unpolished at his experience level? In fact, Silva is also rather unpolished when it comes to boxing. His style has been high risk, high reward. He's built a career with that mentality, and that comes with a lot of discipline, but also when you transition to boxing from a career of MMA, you aren't going to be as polished as a boxer that has been focusing on boxing for a number of years.

Plus, I actually think Jake looks incredibly composed, and polished for someone his age, and also the amount of time he's actually been in boxing. It's only been a few years, and he looks pretty sound technically, and very good offensively. What I'm most curious about with this fight is how he's defensively, and I'm really hoping that Silva puts enough output out there to ask these sort of questions.
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September 19, 2022, 12:12:33 PM
I definitely believe that Silva can make Jake Paul struggle but I guess we can only see that in the first few rounds where Silva have the stamina needed and expected to dominate the fight, but when it comes to middle rounds, that's where we can definitely see Jake Paul dominating because most probably, Silva has already gassed out. We know that MMA doesn't have enough stamina to go full 12-rounds compared to the boxer who is trained for it.

I agree, Jake Paul skill is still unpolished, I see his fight and only noticed openings whenever he attack.  This might be exploited by Silva and hit a couple of punches before Jake put up his defenses, I said that because it takes too long for Jake to get his defense back after punching.  Though when it comes in stamina, I don't know if Jake Paul will be conditioned enough to not get exhauseted in the middle part of the match.  If you happen to see his fight before, you'll see that Jake Paul got easily exhausted, exhaustion reflects on the third or fourth round of his previous fight against woodley he was lucky to land a KO punch though.

This fight might go either way because both fighter are lacking something that might be taken advantage of the opponent.

silva should be aggressive in the first rounds of this fight and finish it fast. otherwise, paul will possibly dominate if this will go the distance. gassing out is i think the enemy here of silva in the later rounds. but in any case, paul will have a different caliber of opponent here, and should be hard for him this time to win this exhibition fight.

Of course, if Silva succeeds in the first rounds, then he will have a chance, But we already expected this on the example of other fights involving age-old fighters, for example, a fresh Canelo vs GGG fight, but objectively, an aged fighter cannot have enough speed to dominate a fight with a younger opponent, there may be exceptions, but I think this does not apply to Silva.
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September 19, 2022, 07:18:48 AM
I have much respect for an experienced master that Silva is but in this case I'd put my money on Jake Paul because the odds are too good.

Everybody is betting on Silva and with very little money you can make a lot if you go against the crowd which is what I usually like to do.
Also the age advantage makes it more even than it looks like if you only compare their career.
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September 18, 2022, 04:27:43 PM
I definitely believe that Silva can make Jake Paul struggle but I guess we can only see that in the first few rounds where Silva have the stamina needed and expected to dominate the fight, but when it comes to middle rounds, that's where we can definitely see Jake Paul dominating because most probably, Silva has already gassed out. We know that MMA doesn't have enough stamina to go full 12-rounds compared to the boxer who is trained for it.

I agree, Jake Paul skill is still unpolished, I see his fight and only noticed openings whenever he attack.  This might be exploited by Silva and hit a couple of punches before Jake put up his defenses, I said that because it takes too long for Jake to get his defense back after punching.  Though when it comes in stamina, I don't know if Jake Paul will be conditioned enough to not get exhauseted in the middle part of the match.  If you happen to see his fight before, you'll see that Jake Paul got easily exhausted, exhaustion reflects on the third or fourth round of his previous fight against woodley he was lucky to land a KO punch though.

This fight might go either way because both fighter are lacking something that might be taken advantage of the opponent.

silva should be aggressive in the first rounds of this fight and finish it fast. otherwise, paul will possibly dominate if this will go the distance. gassing out is i think the enemy here of silva in the later rounds. but in any case, paul will have a different caliber of opponent here, and should be hard for him this time to win this exhibition fight.
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September 18, 2022, 03:56:32 PM
I definitely believe that Silva can make Jake Paul struggle but I guess we can only see that in the first few rounds where Silva have the stamina needed and expected to dominate the fight, but when it comes to middle rounds, that's where we can definitely see Jake Paul dominating because most probably, Silva has already gassed out. We know that MMA doesn't have enough stamina to go full 12-rounds compared to the boxer who is trained for it.


I agree, Jake Paul skill is still unpolished, I see his fight and only noticed openings whenever he attack.  This might be exploited by Silva and hit a couple of punches before Jake put up his defenses, I said that because it takes too long for Jake to get his defense back after punching.  Though when it comes in stamina, I don't know if Jake Paul will be conditioned enough to not get exhauseted in the middle part of the match.  If you happen to see his fight before, you'll see that Jake Paul got easily exhausted, exhaustion reflects on the third or fourth round of his previous fight against woodley he was lucky to land a KO punch though.

This fight might go either way because both fighter are lacking something that might be taken advantage of the opponent.
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September 18, 2022, 03:43:33 PM
Yes, betting on Jake Paul is much more profitable as he is considered as underdog by the bookies while Silva is a heavy favorite. People might be confused because they probably know more about Silva than Jake Paul who is still struggling to be a full pledge boxer in the eyes of the people, but Jake is likely going to be the winner here and might defeat the former MMA fighter by a way of knockout especially when the fight drags on while Silva is grasping for air.

I'm rooting for Silva here because he's much older and Jake Paul is cocky and as some people have said already likes to pick on washed up fighters past their prime, although Silva can't be described that way. I watched his fight against Chavez Jr. and he's still good. You might try to bet on Jake because of how much you can get if he wins, but the winner is most likely going to be Silva, unless something unpredictable happens. A fight can turn after a simple mistake. Your eye gets cut and you get a stoppage, things like that.


I definitely believe that Silva can make Jake Paul struggle but I guess we can only see that in the first few rounds where Silva have the stamina needed and expected to dominate the fight, but when it comes to middle rounds, that's where we can definitely see Jake Paul dominating because most probably, Silva has already gassed out. We know that MMA doesn't have enough stamina to go full 12-rounds compared to the boxer who is trained for it.

And betting on Silva is not really bad idea as for sure his odds are great and tempting but we cannot hide the fact that his chances to win are not that high considering his age now. And that's also one of the few reasons why Jake Paul agreed to this fight.
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September 16, 2022, 04:37:53 PM
I'm rooting for Silva here because he's much older and Jake Paul is cocky and as some people have said already likes to pick on washed up fighters past their prime, although Silva can't be described that way. I watched his fight against Chavez Jr. and he's still good. You might try to bet on Jake because of how much you can get if he wins, but the winner is most likely going to be Silva, unless something unpredictable happens. A fight can turn after a simple mistake. Your eye gets cut and you get a stoppage, things like that.

I think the Jake is the favourite, for the issues mentioned above about ageing. Silva looked very good against Chavez, a decision win in his own back yard, that takes some doing in boxing. Usually, there's a bias I find with the judges depending on where its hosted, and what nationality the boxers are. Although, that might not be entirely accurate.

I won't be able to watch the fight unfortunately, but I might put Jake on an accumulator just for the fun of it. To me there's too much value in it, to pass it up. Obviously, I don't want to see Silva lose, but I do think Jake has enough volume to get the rounds, and Silva won't fade massively, but keeping up with a youngster isn't something he has had to do for a long while.
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September 16, 2022, 04:32:49 PM
Yes, betting on Jake Paul is much more profitable as he is considered as underdog by the bookies while Silva is a heavy favorite. People might be confused because they probably know more about Silva than Jake Paul who is still struggling to be a full pledge boxer in the eyes of the people, but Jake is likely going to be the winner here and might defeat the former MMA fighter by a way of knockout especially when the fight drags on while Silva is grasping for air.

I'm rooting for Silva here because he's much older and Jake Paul is cocky and as some people have said already likes to pick on washed up fighters past their prime, although Silva can't be described that way. I watched his fight against Chavez Jr. and he's still good. You might try to bet on Jake because of how much you can get if he wins, but the winner is most likely going to be Silva, unless something unpredictable happens. A fight can turn after a simple mistake. Your eye gets cut and you get a stoppage, things like that.
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September 16, 2022, 04:18:31 PM
Anyway, Silva in any case has an advantage over Paul, this is his experience, but the almost two-fold age difference minimizes this advantage, by the way, Paul says that he really wants to knock out Silva, but as he said with respect, or maybe not, I still wish Silva a victory.



Age is not really a big factor in fights that can be viewed as an advantage, I mean, what can that age do if you're not equipped with the right tools to defeat an experienced veteran fighter who has a strong IQ? As for Jake Paul, he is not a so called professional boxer because he is just fighting MMA fighters who are way past their prime, and now this fight will add to that record he is boasting.


Thinking skills of a person become less sharper through age same with the body agility. Silva IQ and thinking skills is not that sharp anymore that’s why his moves becomes slower and less agile base on his previous matches on pro. Brain thinks first before body reacts and if the human physical body became slower means his brain is getting slower to process data too.

Jake undergo special training dedicated on this sports so I’m sure he is prepared on this kind of match. He knew how smart Silva is inside the octagon so he might be developing a strategy to counter it.

We cannot say that for sure because we haven't saw Silva lately and we are just giving pure speculations based on what the most old fighter experienced but the muscle memory can be a big help when it comes to a fight because your brain doesn't have to predict alone as the muscles are already trained for it, that said, the process will be much shorter and that makes Silva react quite early.

Though I cannot deny that his chances are still low because he lacks defense and the fight will be held in the ring not in the octagon, so that means conserving his energy and stamina is a challenge for him because he is not used to it and a full 12-round fight can be a very long time for an MMA fighter.
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September 16, 2022, 03:48:11 PM
People said the same about Woodley and Jake got one of the best KOs of the year against him. If you tuned into a random boxing match and Jake was fighting on the undercard you wouldn't even question whether he was a boxer. He's certainly got the skills and a lot of respected boxing commentators and pundits say the same thing. The only thing counting against him is he's choosing fighters at the end of their careers but he's just getting started really and I'm sure he's building up to better, more age-appropriate fighters. It's only a matter of time really but baby steps are the best way to go about it right now given he obviously doesn't have the years of fighting amateur fighters have before they go pro. He tried to fight current pros in Rahman Jr and Tommy Fury but they both messed him about.
I fell for the same trap early on, I didn't really like him from the get go, due to his Youtube career, and the various stunts him, and his brother has pulled over the years. However, honestly over the more recent years I've come to respect both of them for different reasons. Logan Paul has really sorted his attitude out it seems due to that incident in Japan, and Jake Paul has shown some real grit, and sweat to make this boxing career.

Plus, you're absolutely right. If Jake Paul didn't have the career he had before coming into boxing, and therefore that child like reputation, people would probably be hyping him up a lot more than they have been. I know he says he wants to become world champion, and I definitely don't doubt he thinks that, I'm not quite sure he's going to ever be good enough for that, but honestly the early signs against okay opposition he's looked pretty damn decent I'd say.

I keep going back to the example, but Joshua or Fury didn't fight big names that were in their prime at the start of their careers either. This is simply just the normal thing to do. However, Jake has fought some decent opponents, just aged, and not exactly boxers. However, he has tried with the Tommy Fury fight.
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