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Quote from: LoyceV on October 03, 2022, 02:58:26 AM

Let me be the first to deny being a customer Tongue

Now we finally know who is behind the jerry0 account, just admit it.
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+ the 'j' kind of looks like the 'y'. The evidence is clear.

Quote from: LoyceV on October 03, 2022, 02:58:26 AM

It takes a while to realize someone isn't a genuine user.

True. We remember the case of the person who got caught with multiple accounts in the CM campaign a few years back. But to me, jerry0 looks like a frightened individual who questions every decision he makes out of fear of making a mistake.
Those posts and threads he makes could be summarized in 2 or 3 sentences, but instead we get to see: I usually do this, but now I am here, last week I was on my computer, some people say this, but other people say this, it's now been 2 months since I updated, is it still safe to do that, what about if I click on this will that cause, can I get hacked if...

Doubt, fear, uncertainty, lack of basic knowledge.

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Quote from: Pmalek on October 03, 2022, 02:45:18 AM

Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on October 02, 2022, 02:46:46 AM

What if he is running a service to create threads so people with paid signatures to be able to reach theirs post quotas quickly and easily just posting all the same bullshit answers?

In that case, everyone who replied to him throughout the years is a possible customer or an alt account.

Let me be the first to deny being a customer Tongue

I don't think he's providing some spam-service though. Let's face it: some people do things for reasons we can't possibly understand, and some of them found this forum.

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people who reply to him are members of top campaigns.

It takes a while to realize someone isn't a genuine user.

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Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on October 02, 2022, 02:46:46 AM

What if he is running a service to create threads so people with paid signatures to be able to reach theirs post quotas quickly and easily just posting all the same bullshit answers?

In that case, everyone who replied to him throughout the years is a possible customer or an alt account.
There are surely easier ways to do that than with his storytelling, sharing of fears, doubts, and lack of understanding. Most of his posts are about Ledger hardware wallets and people who reply to him are members of top campaigns.

If the ultimate goal was to cheat and write more posts to earn more from signature campaigns, wouldn't it be more profitable for the cheater to get his alt accounts in BTC paying campaigns than to increase his post count by 2 or 3 posts? Not only that, but jerry wakes up every couple of weeks/months, makes a few posts, and goes back into hiding until the next time. There isn't much post increasing activity there if you ask me. If he posted more regularly, it would look more suspicious. However, no possibility for cheating can be ruled out.

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Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on October 02, 2022, 02:46:46 AM

I hope I'm not giving them ideas...

While it has occurred to me in the past that this kind of shenanigans may be happening, I'd be expecting somebody would do this for himself (for another account of himself), not as service. But yep, never say never.
However, I'd expect such people be lazy, hence won't make such long, and complicated posts many don't even know what's being asked and how to answer. Plus, there are other, more generic topics (like the never old QC) they can pull, not such specific, mostly Ledger related topics.

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Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on October 02, 2022, 02:46:46 AM

What if he is running a service to create threads so people with paid signatures to be able to reach theirs post quotas quickly and easily just posting all the same bullshit answers?

I am sure there are many members who do this: create alt accounts, ask a question from one account then answer from another (usually the main account) either to boost his posts count or to get merit points.
But I don't think this is the case here. Firstly because most of his questions require some technical knowledge to answer and those who post in his threads are smart guys and high quality posters. They don't need to cheat to meet the post quota.
Secondly, I once posted in a thread about how to verify Electrum wallet and few weeks later, I received like 8 PMs in less than twelve hours from him asking me to verify his wallet.
I don't think someone who wants to spam or cheat his sig campaign with fake conversations would do that!

same thought as LTU_btc, was typing and didn't see his reply.

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Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on October 02, 2022, 02:46:46 AM

I have a bit crazy idea, but the cheaters are getting more and more advanced these days.

What if he is running a service to create threads so people with paid signatures to be able to reach theirs post quotas quickly and easily just posting all the same bullshit answers?

I hope I'm not giving them ideas...

Idea isn't crazy, but I don't think that's such case. It looks a bit too much complicated. I believe that services for signature campaigns exists, but for such things they usually use newbie accounts and ask generic questions which were already asked thousands times. That's easy money for sig spammers who can answer such threads themselves from their main accounts without putting much effort.
While @jerry0 questions is much more complicated. It requires some effort and knowledge to answer it, I doubt that it would be used to reach weekly quota.

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Quote from: Stalker22 on October 02, 2022, 06:57:53 AM

Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on October 02, 2022, 02:46:46 AM

I have a bit crazy idea, but the cheaters are getting more and more advanced these days.

What if he is running a service to create threads so people with paid signatures to be able to reach theirs post quotas quickly and easily just posting all the same bullshit answers?

I hope I'm not giving them ideas...

I do not think that is such a crazy idea. Who knows? He might even have a few alt accounts of his own that he uses to answer his own questions. It is not like we haven't seen even stranger things on this forum. If there was incentive in the form of profit to be gained, then I think it is not such a crazy idea to think that someone might take advantage of it. I mean, you don't even have to be a programmer to create bots and scripts that can answer questions automatically. There are programs out there that allow people with little technical knowledge to do so.

I do not think that there is any evidence to support this theory, but if it were true it would certainly explain some things.

This has been discussed on and off a few times. How someone with a few higher raking accounts could create a new user and ask a question that and start a conversation with 2 or 3 other users that are are all just them talking to themselves. If you prep it in advance, it's all just cut and past from a word document into the forum. You could probably somewhat easily get a couple of dozen posts a week just by doing that.

It's a bit more work then just the spam posting people but not a lot.

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Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on October 02, 2022, 02:46:46 AM

I have a bit crazy idea, but the cheaters are getting more and more advanced these days.

What if he is running a service to create threads so people with paid signatures to be able to reach theirs post quotas quickly and easily just posting all the same bullshit answers?

I hope I'm not giving them ideas...

I do not think that is such a crazy idea. Who knows? He might even have a few alt accounts of his own that he uses to answer his own questions. It is not like we haven't seen even stranger things on this forum. If there was incentive in the form of profit to be gained, then I think it is not such a crazy idea to think that someone might take advantage of it. I mean, you don't even have to be a programmer to create bots and scripts that can answer questions automatically. There are programs out there that allow people with little technical knowledge to do so.

I do not think that there is any evidence to support this theory, but if it were true it would certainly explain some things.

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I have a bit crazy idea, but the cheaters are getting more and more advanced these days.

What if he is running a service to create threads so people with paid signatures to be able to reach theirs post quotas quickly and easily just posting all the same bullshit answers?

I hope I'm not giving them ideas...

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I stopped to reply his posts long time ago. I'm simply become lazy to do it. Just look how his posts looks. Not that he would explain his issue in few sentences, no, he have to write wall of text. He seems to be that kind of person who makes simple things complicated.
Wouldn't call him troll and he is far from worst kind of users on Bitcointalk. But don't feed troll simply doesn't works here. In past there was some aggresive trolls and they always were getting much attention, no matter what was said about them. Though, I'm not sure that's the case, I still partially believe that he genuinely need help, but I'm not going to respond to his posts.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on September 24, 2022, 11:43:01 AM

You don't need to be rocket scientist to see what is happening with him, and by answering him all the time people are just feeding the troll.
I understand when people answer him if they don't know the whole story, but when I saw a bunch of new topics created by him I had to react somehow.

As I said, I have a feeling he's not a troll. If I would have been thinking he's a troll, he would have been on my ignore list, I would have not been answering him.
For example, one of his latest questions is not even that bad.

Quote from: LoyceV on September 24, 2022, 05:04:48 AM

That's cute, but naive Tongue

It feels like doing the same work again.

I would clearly not do that every year Wink

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on September 24, 2022, 02:45:06 AM

I know that he tends to ask same questions over and over again. Still, I see him as a person needing help, not a malicious spammer. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know.

You don't need to be rocket scientist to see what is happening with him, and by answering him all the time people are just feeding the troll.
I understand when people answer him if they don't know the whole story, but when I saw a bunch of new topics created by him I had to react somehow.

Quote from: NeuroticFish on September 24, 2022, 02:45:06 AM

LE: I've made my mind. Since I don't want unnecessary drama, this guy will go for now to my ignore list. Happy?

Sure, I never wanted any drama and I asked nicely Wink

Anyone can do whatever they want in forum but people who continue to reply jerry0 are going to be in my ignore list in future.

Quote from: LoyceV on September 24, 2022, 04:23:32 AM

I added him to my ignore list more than a year ago, after that he kept asking the same questions about claiming Forkcoins, which I eventually gave up answering. I'm not sure if he's just very insecure and needs continuous confirmation before doing something, but I can't be bothered anymore.

He is also in my ignore list also, but from time to time I notice new topics created by him all over the forum.
I am 100% sure most of his questions are fake, he claims to be American but he can't even speak normal english language so it's obvious he is a liar.

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I have tried to help the guy on numerous occasions but it's like trying to go through a brick wall. It's impossible to do. I haven't been in the hardware wallet sub in the last few days so I missed his most recent exploits. After a quick look, I can see it's about passphrases, adding accounts, using Ledger Live on a new computer and stuff covered many times in the past.

I don't understand the motives because he is not in a signature campaign. He never struck me as being a spammer in that sense. I always felt like he was someone completely unsecure about anything he does with possible some mental condition. Not trying to hurt the guy with my words. But if you have to ask the same things over and over again for years, it doesn't look like you are going to learn anything.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on September 23, 2022, 09:20:15 AM

I obviously can't and won't stop anyone to play this circus game with him for the sake of writing few more posts in signature campaigns, but this is getting really silly.

There was a time I usually make over 50 to 75 posts weekly until few months ago that I have decreased it to 30 to 35. My signature campaign only request for 25 posts weekly.

I do not yet have anyone on my ignore list, but I think dkbit98 is right about this. Jerry0 do not just only like asking many question, he also like voluminous questions and creating question topics often. He created 3 topics recently within 1 hour, I only saw one which I think I provided answer to, but then saw two more different topics from him again which I decided not not to read because I saw it as spamming, except my reply here which I used to against his way of creating voluminous question topics within short time and how he is posting consecutively as it is against one of the rules of this forum. I agree with dkbit98 about this, best to ignore jerry0. Easy for me to even ignore him without putting him on my ignore list.

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on September 24, 2022, 04:32:27 AM

I had an idea of cleaning my ignore list at Christmas and give a second chance (and probably filling the ignore list back during the year). I may or may not do that, depending on my mood at Christmas time.

That's cute, but naive Tongue

It feels like doing the same work again.

In the rare occasion that I see a good post from someone on my Ignore list quoted, I'll consider unignoring them.

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Quote from: LoyceV on September 24, 2022, 04:23:32 AM

I added him to my ignore list more than a year ago, after that he kept asking the same questions about claiming Forkcoins, which I eventually gave up answering. I'm not sure if he's just very insecure and needs continuous confirmation before doing something, but I can't be bothered anymore.

He was in and out of my ignore list, he seems to spam less lately, or maybe I've just missed/skipped more of his topics.
As I said, he's now in my ignore list. But I had an idea of cleaning my ignore list at Christmas and give a second chance (and probably filling the ignore list back during the year). I may or may not do that, depending on my mood at Christmas time.

Quote from: LoyceV on September 24, 2022, 04:23:32 AM

If you ask the same question over and over again, the kind of help you need can't be found on a Bitcoin forum.

With no intention to offend anyone, this looks like a very valid point.

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on September 24, 2022, 02:45:06 AM

I know that he tends to ask same questions over and over again. Still, I see him as a person needing help, not a malicious spammer.

If you ask the same question over and over again, the kind of help you need can't be found on a Bitcoin forum.

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this guy will go for now to my ignore list.

I added him to my ignore list more than a year ago, after that he kept asking the same questions about claiming Forkcoins, which I eventually gave up answering. I'm not sure if he's just very insecure and needs continuous confirmation before doing something, but I can't be bothered anymore.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on September 23, 2022, 09:20:15 AM

Member jerry0 is back again with another round of his famous rinse & repeat topic questions.
I am asking all members @NeuroticFish @Charles-Tim @jackg and all others to please stop answering to his questions and feeding this spammer.
Look at his post history with feedback he received and you will understand why I am saying this.
I obviously can't and won't stop anyone to play this circus game with him for the sake of writing few more posts in signature campaigns, but this is getting really silly.

I know that he tends to ask same questions over and over again. Still, I see him as a person needing help, not a malicious spammer. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know.
And considering this, while I am advocating people ask first, no matter what, instead of making mistakes, not answering him would mean double standards.
Still, I will be considering your request (and instead of full explanation I could for example just link another similar topic, or put him on ignore).

And about "for the sake of writing few more posts in signature campaigns", I find this unfair since if you look at my post history I mostly post more than the max paid by the campaign and 1-2 posts every now and then to jerry0 will not change anything.

LE: I've made my mind. Since I don't want unnecessary drama, this guy will go for now to my ignore list. Happy?

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Quote from: dkbit98 on September 23, 2022, 09:20:15 AM

Member jerry0 is back again with another round of his famous rinse & repeat topic questions.

I can't tell from his behavior if he is just a spammer, a troll, or a mentally ill individual, but something is clearly wrong with him. I will review his posts and report anything that needs to be reported to the moderators, but unfortunately, our forum doesn't have effective measures against such members, so it's probably best to ignore them.

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Member jerry0 is back again with another round of his famous rinse & repeat topic questions.
I am asking all members @NeuroticFish @Charles-Tim @jackg and all others to please stop answering to his questions and feeding this spammer.
Look at his post history with feedback he received and you will understand why I am saying this.
I obviously can't and won't stop anyone to play this circus game with him for the sake of writing few more posts in signature campaigns, but this is getting really silly.

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