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Topic: Jr BM asking for 300 positive comment in his service thread via bounty campaign. (Read 677 times)

legendary
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That is the repetitive cycle when it comes to people using the forum for their own nefarious purposes, they can return using a new identity whenever they want and push forward any agenda. Thankfully, on many occasions they get caught out and others are warned about their conduct.

It's safe to assume we won't see Jr BM in a while, or forever. They've abandoned their telegram channel and deleted their TG account, it's a ghost town waiting for their citizen to realize they're writing to no one, and Jr BM probably also left the tagged account for good as well. Their long run action will be to re-emerge with another username and another TG group.
legendary
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I am late to this thread but it has to be said that all those neutral feedbacks are clearly justified and mine is added too. To use any form of payment to receive positive feedback, review or merits is simply unacceptable. It is these types of activities that bring bad reputation to the forum and if we all try to tag these types of accounts it will cause them some short term delay in their plans though it might not stop them in the long run.


It's safe to assume we won't see Jr BM in a while, or forever. They've abandoned their telegram channel and deleted their TG account, it's a ghost town waiting for their citizen to realize they're writing to no one, and Jr BM probably also left the tagged account for good as well. Their long run action will be to re-emerge with another username and another TG group.

legendary
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I am late to this thread but it has to be said that all those neutral feedbacks are clearly justified and mine is added too. To use any form of payment to receive positive feedback, review or merits is simply unacceptable. It is these types of activities that bring bad reputation to the forum and if we all try to tag these types of accounts it will cause them some short term delay in their plans though it might not stop them in the long run.

This shit has been a plague to bitcointalk for years now, for all of you who might be new here.  Trying to fight idiots like Jr BM is like playing whack-a-mole, especially when you can create as many accounts as you want.
As long as there is a market for this sort of thing, it will continue to happen in the forum. In order to post false reviews for any services the promoter would probably create a series of accounts to push their agenda rather than have low ranking members posting lies in search of receiving bounties.
legendary
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Shouldn't we tag the spam accounts that post meaningless one-liners as well?
It would certainly be appropriate to give all those fucks neutral feedback, but I think it'd be a waste of time.  From a quick glance, most of them are very low-ranked members and probably don't participate on the forum other than to do whatever bounty work they can find (or they're just shill accounts).  On top of that, neutral feedback is practically meaningless when it comes to limiting spam and shitposting.  I don't think many bounty managers would even notice a neutral, and if I'm not mistaken some even accept members with red trust.

This shit has been a plague to bitcointalk for years now, for all of you who might be new here.  Trying to fight idiots like Jr BM is like playing whack-a-mole, especially when you can create as many accounts as you want.
legendary
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The bounty manager Jr BM started a bounty to increase his/her telegram/Twitter followers. It's okay. But the manager is also asking for a positive comment in his/her service thread.. And first 300 valid participants will be paid. That means let's wait for at least 300 spam/shilling comments in his/her service thread.
An account (rank should be brand new), have no history, may be do not know anything about the forum (unless it's an alt account) is asking for such things only concludes that he has no idea how bounty forum works. May be he is himself is a bounty hunter and decided to have his own management service.

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I'm curious how he reached you to give the news to you
When I read that post, I assumed it was on Telegram (or another external mode of communication).
It's should not be a NASA science 😉
legendary
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Doesn't the 30-day ban prevent him from sending messages?
Yes.

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I'm curious how he reached you to give the news to you
When I read that post, I assumed it was on Telegram (or another external mode of communication).
staff
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Man must be farming nice reviews for some serious organized fraud, this is bad from every viewpoint, buying positive feedback is a sign of dishonesty and should not be permitted, I believe everyone involved should be tagged as perpetrators.

The man pmed me and share the topic link and ask ''what is this?''. I told him that it was not good what he did, so learn from here and be stronger next time. Later he told me about helping him withdraw the ban (he told me he was banned for 30 days). As usual, I have said him that I can not help in this case but I suggested him do a ban appeal in the Meta section. But I was surprised he was asking for the Link of the Meta section.

Doesn't the 30-day ban prevent him from sending messages? I'm curious how he reached you to give the news to you; I doubt he'd be able to wait a month; he's already someplace making another account, possibly changing the name and getting back into business.
hero member
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Can't that be dealt through reporting?
I think so: it's not allowed to give an incentive to post. Although there have been exceptions in the form of review campaigns, in this case it's just spam. And since it's paid in altcoins, it's a giveaway that's not allowed. I've reported both topics.
That's the term on the stands of the forum I was trying to recall and that flaws the step taken by the manager in this regard. Reviews are much better but even in that, you don't take away the freewill of those accessing the service to review as they see or experience it.
Besides, reviews are just some means to improve on low quality services while bettering existing once.
Reviews in the manager Jr. MB has chosen is in itself deceptive and that speaks highly of what project is being advertised.

More so, with regards to the forum, the words of bounty hunters is the last thing I would want to hang on. Most are always incentive motivated which is always sentimental. I'll say, Jr. MB won't get the best this way, just more and more spam with most not having to experience the site.
legendary
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Jr BM already learned lesson. He recieved seven neutrel tag totally free and he is unable to post for a month. I think he was thinking in mind that big bounty managers like Royse77, Julerz, Hhumpuz finding projects because they have good reviews from Bitcointalk members and he should become Hero with Paid bounty for Positive review.

What about the list of bounty hunters who joined his bounty and given one line top class review to our Hero Jr member? How these hunters will learn that its against the rules of Bitcointalk. These hunters only visit bounty board and they don't know that there is other boards available here in BTT. I think That Jr BM should launch another bounty and Mandatory task should to visit This thread and Jr member Trust page. what you think about that?

Umm... I think that'll be quite unfair and burdening. Having them to have another bounty with mandatory task to visit this thread would imply Jr BM need to allocate another funds to serve the purpose. If the aim is to inform cluesless newbie hunters about the rules of this forum, it'll be more efficient and less taxing if they just wrote on their previous thread --the one which became the root of this situation-- with link to this thread and explanation about why what the hunters did were wrong.
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Jr BM already learned lesson. He recieved seven neutrel tag totally free and he is unable to post for a month. I think he was thinking in mind that big bounty managers like Royse77, Julerz, Hhumpuz finding projects because they have good reviews from Bitcointalk members and he should become Hero with Paid bounty for Positive review.

What about the list of bounty hunters who joined his bounty and given one line top class review to our Hero Jr member? How these hunters will learn that its against the rules of Bitcointalk. These hunters only visit bounty board and they don't know that there is other boards available here in BTT. I think That Jr BM should launch another bounty and Mandatory task should to visit This thread and Jr member Trust page. what you think about that?
legendary
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I don't think this is as bad as expected since some people buy reviews and trust pilot, their ratings and numbers to their desired height, in OP case, i think he's only requesting for comment and not mandating it before getting paid by his participants, but if what he's demanding as well goes against the bounty campaign or signature campaign rules laid by the forum, then I subtle reminder could be forwarded to him maybe he's not aware or has forgotten.

I don't think you've read the thread carefully, or even the opening post. It's there on the image attached by OP, literally the top most of the thread, the thread started with the image. I'm not sure how you missed it. He was demanding it, mandating it.

As for the subtle reminder because maybe he's not aware or has forgotten, tell me this: will you trust a bounty manager that doesn't know the most basic rule of the forum? Or, if you're a company hiring him, then the question is: will you trust a manager who caught red handed buying fake reviews?
sr. member
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I don't think this is as bad as expected since some people buy reviews and trust pilot, their ratings and numbers to their desired height, in OP case, i think he's only requesting for comment and not mandating it before getting paid by his participants, but if what he's demanding as well goes against the bounty campaign or signature campaign rules laid by the forum, then I subtle reminder could be forwarded to him maybe he's not aware or has forgotten.
legendary
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That bounty manage would better start a 1k raffle instead of that stupid bounty campaign. Would have got more attention and reputation here, then that shit like "good manager" from newbies Cheesy
Unfortunately this should be a lesson to other aspiring managers. You don't just wake up 1 day and decide that you are now a bounty manager. You have to research and know what's proper and what's not.

It also shows companies who they shouldn't hire. Managers who don't know the rules will likely not know or care if the people in their bounties are following the rules. They likely probably won't even check.
sr. member
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So, to summarize: Jr BM now has 6 Posts, 6 Activity, 0 Merit, and 6 neutral tags from DT Cheesy That took skill Tongue

FYP: Jr BM now has 6 2 Posts, 6 2 Activity, 0 Merit, and 6 7 neutral tags from DT.

Let's see if he can make a 0 Post 0 Activity 0 Merit 7 Trust score.  Tongue

He cannot delete his thread in the bounty section so it will stay at 2 posts and 2 activities but he can edit his thread obviously this guy did not check the forum rules he study the structure of how to run a bounty campaign but unfortunately, he is not aware of the forum rules about spam, he is busted for his status as bounty manager I'm sure he will not proceed to be on this account but he will learn, and will just create a new account.
hero member
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So, to summarize: Jr BM now has 6 Posts, 6 Activity, 0 Merit, and 6 neutral tags from DT Cheesy That took skill Tongue

FYP: Jr BM now has 6 2 Posts, 6 2 Activity, 0 Merit, and 6 7 neutral tags from DT.

Let's see if he can make a 0 Post 0 Activity 0 Merit 7 Trust score.  Tongue
A reputation that is always avoided by other users on forums, 7 neutral tags from DT earned by inviting massive spam on forums, I think he deserves it. Regarding the remaining 2 posts and 2 activities still standard at least for a while, he left the forum five days ago (13 April 2023).
Looks like it will continue to survive, maybe the 7 Trust neutral score will continue to grow.  Cheesy
member
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That bounty manage would better start a 1k raffle instead of that stupid bounty campaign. Would have got more attention and reputation here, then that shit like "good manager" from newbies Cheesy
legendary
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So, to summarize: Jr BM now has 6 Posts, 6 Activity, 0 Merit, and 6 neutral tags from DT Cheesy That took skill Tongue

FYP: Jr BM now has 6 2 Posts, 6 2 Activity, 0 Merit, and 6 7 neutral tags from DT.

Let's see if he can make a 0 Post 0 Activity 0 Merit 7 Trust score.  Tongue
legendary
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The man pmed me and share the topic link and ask ''what is this?''. I told him that it was not good what he did, so learn from here and be stronger next time. Later he told me about helping him withdraw the ban (he told me he was banned for 30 days). As usual, I have said him that I can not help in this case but I suggested him do a ban appeal in the Meta section. But I was surprised he was asking for the Link of the Meta section.

And he has the nerve to become a campaign manager, it's not only him there are a lot of newbies who are involved in bounty campaigns that do not know the rules all they know is the bounties section because they can make money here and ignore the other sections of Bitcointalk.
I call these members nuisance members because they do not care about the health of this forum, and they do not contribute.

Jr BM was totally in a haste. I was thinking he should be an experienced old user coming up with a new account for management services.
Asking for 300 users to drop positive remarks in his thread could also be achieved in another way that will not victimise him.
How about if he uses the Royse777 term by saying something like this "You are also encouraged to drop comments on my thread and say what you feel about my services "
If the statement was made this way, it would be nice and I don't think that anyone would go make bad reviews even when he hasn't scammed anyone yet.
Experience is what is needed here in the forum.
legendary
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(he told me he was banned for 30 days). As usual, I have said him that I can not help in this case but I suggested him do a ban appeal in the Meta section.
There's no point in appealing a justified ban. He must have had several reports made against his posts, 75% of them got deleted, he's earned himself 7 neutral DT-tags, and it looks like he joined the forum for the wrong reasons. What he should do, is use those 30 days to read the Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ.
legendary
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I also checked this after bounty launch. Review is not bad but he made a mistake that Jr BM make it mandatory task for positive review. may i ask is someone Jr BM about this that its against the rule of this forum. I think he is not aware of it.

Well, it seems that the reality has hit him like a ton of bricks. The moderators have already removed his thread and slapped him with a 30-day ban, as reported by sujonali1819.

some signature bounty also has this task but you they make it optional which is not bad.  Everyone is free to give review and can be negative also.

Yes, everyone is free to leave their reviews, but paying for reviews or offering other incentives to members is prohibited.
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