Topic: Just what is a clock buffer anyway? (Read 16570 times)

Seems to be a familiar tactic from our favorite companies representative.

You guys do realize all Inaba is here to do is troll and derail all negative discussion on BFL ?
Hence why he loves the big long rants that have no content apart from "rar rar rar Im a massive douchebag respect me".

I wouldn't say that too loudly =P I tried it in another thread and got shouted down and then locked into a debate over the advantages and disadvantage of "unrolling process" (their words not mine).

There are a bunch of things which are async logic which aren't really marketed as such, e.g. octasic DSPs.  For a miner the complicated valiation issues aren't really an issue, and wouldn't be surprised if someone could get a decent efficiency improvement by slicing sha256 into groups of 8 words and running them async across a span of 8 rounds (where they should naturally time back up, at least if the wiring in the round is totally regular).

It's technically doable - it's called asyncronous logic, there are even a number of CPUs based around it including the GA144 that ElectricMucus has, it's just not commercially viable because it's so hard to design and debug. So in a way I'm actually kind of surprised BFL aren't using it

My only question is if you really are employed by BFL, why hasn't BFL fired you yet? Calling people liars when you should be taking the high road especially when you are representing a business. Or you are just another one who knows about their con which is why they don't really care what you say?

this could have been a good thread until you derailed it by feeding the trolls. maybe that's what you wanted to happen

Hypocrisy comes with pathological behavior, Mesarah.  It's often the only way a pathological liar can reconcile their behavior and/or words in the face of incontrovertible evidence to the contrary.

Why would I ignore them?

I have no real reason to ignore anyone (yet). No one has proven themselves so utterly useless that a fast scrolling action can't fix.

Unlike the rep, I don't have some kind of significant emotional reaction to what someone else writes.

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As for the rest of your post, it's not worth addressing.

See? How easy it is to do that?

P.S. I used to be a moderator at another forum for several years. Keeping people on ignore is impractical and you learn how to deal without it. (buy a fast friction-less scroll wheel. (LOL)

@ PuertoLibre, if you know where the ignore button is why haven't you ignored the BFL representatives? Why can't you accept and act on your own advice? PuertoLibre, are you lying to your self about your own advice?


@ PuertoLibre, are you a qualitfied medical perfessional that is capible of sensing at a distance a person's blood pressure without the use of a sphygmomanometer?

So let me get this correct PuertoLibre. You complain that some one should use the ignore button but you wont do the same. You complain that some one is making a medical judgement and then you make a medical judgement.

I think it's more than safe to call you a hypocrite PuertoLibre. PuertoLibre, why don't you act in a manor as you advocate others to do?

“Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it.”  ― Mahatma Gandhi

Surprise will be the name of the game. I said that before if we were going to release anything it would be ready to ship before we announced it.

Don't name drop if you aren't willing to share some gory details about what it is. I hate surprises.     (Tongue meet cheek)

Any technological project is prone to delays and problems and every time I think out any project timescale I then multiple it by X3. Over my very long history in electronics that X3 number is usually about right. Putting that into simple terms the logistical and technological problems take twice as long to fix as the original timescale.

I have said before that competition is good and I think it is up to all the ASIC vendors to deliver and prove their products. I think we should leave them to just get on and prove themselves. Personally I think there are too many ASICs coming in the near future and many people won't get the return they think they will out of ASICs. It's a case of too many too soon and a slower drop in, smaller performance jump, would be much better for the health of Bitcoin. If I prove to be wrong then we will consider letting our Goliath technology into the market but we think it's way too much for now.

Yohan

I have dealt with those too.

The "trick" is not in that you can't satisfy them, but that you can promise them something exclusive at a future date. (discounts for bad service, or a bad item, out of stock etc)

The real life (in your face) customers though, yeah I agree, you can't satisfy anyone once they have come to a conclusion about something or other. At which point, I agree, cut your loses and tell them off (very nicely).

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I don't expect any BFL rep to work miracles. I just ask they keep people interested in the customer service portion of the process. You know, without being unnecessarily flippant at every other opportunity.

I am pretty sure, (because I have read actually read peoples comments) that people realize that a flippant rep doesn't give a damn about them as a customer. They (if like me) would quickly gather the impression that buying their product only keeps the flippant remarks behind closed doors. (well, until you request a refund)

I evaluated BFL as my first choice, then I saw the rep above, and boy did that change my mind. I had to go with Avalon instead.

The sum of all the bad parts made the choice alot easier.

(Well, that, and the Avalon team had a self contained unit while the other two did not.)

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So it goes to show, that if you leave a bad impression in public, it does cost you in terms of customers and the cash they bring. I am not the first person to comment on this.

Does that mean I won't buy BFL if Gen 2 comes around? Sure will, but that customer service better improve sharply, the delays should be addressed, the flow of information should increase (transparency), and the tired and angry reps should remain behind closed doors when they have a fit. Far from where I can see them and shake my head.

Does BFL make good hardware? Sure, as long as it is within spec. Just like any of the other ASIC companies. (well...the ones that don't fail in some significant way)

I found out along time ago,that you can please most of the people (customers) most of the time & a few of the people (customers) none of the time.

Being a self-employed/buissness owner is an eye opener to human behaviour.

When I run into those select few,I drop them like a hot potato.Those folks can never be pleased & will do nothing but complain & waste your time to no end.

I have tried to reconcile with them,but it was utterly fruitless.Nothing I did,either free of labor fee's or parts made any difference.Once they get it in thier heads that you or the service you offer sucks,you will NEVER make them change thier minds...............EVER!!!!

Just a personal experience I thought I would share 

"Algunos de los que son culpables tienden a defenderse, incluso cuando nadie los está acusando de nada." -- Old Spanish Proverb

Tranlation: "Some who feel guilty of some matter will tend to defend themselves, even when no one is accusing them of anything."

@ BFL Representative

As you have pinned me and quite a few others (at an ever increasing rate) as having a pathology to lie, please place us on all on collective ignore. (Quickly!)

This way you blood pressure returns to normal and you turn less green (unlike the Hulk) when responding to some "non-sense" from former or prospective customers.

Or

Waste more seconds of your life addressing anything and everything in an agitated and unreasonable tone. Rather choosing to unleash the utter might of your rage and psychoanalysis on every respondent.

[Note: Keep in mind that you are not a qualified mental health professional and therefore are not qualified (no not even certified) to evaluate the mental condition or status of any individual.]

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Please, tap the ignore button. If you are convinced that nothing can be done, do what is right. (plus ignore any facts to the contrary)

I still stand behind the idea of exellent customer service from each vendor. I do not think that customers (present, former or prospective] are somehow "trash" (my word) once a refund has been issued.

Nor do I believe that the employees under Jody or your care are "wasting" their resources doing the job which they are intended to perform and fulfill (with a smile behind the keyboard or the phone).

Last I checked, customers are not "resource leechers" (my word). They are a valuable part of your business. If your customer is irate, it is up to you, the employee to man up and earn your pay.

If that keeps your blood pressure high or keeps you up at night...find a way out of that role or find a better job where your experience and mannerisms are better suited.

etc etc etc...

Can you explain the facts behind these quotes?

There's only a few of you who are either pathological liars, like Elden, CreativeX and yourself or there are those that have agendas, namely to besmirch BFL at every turn with false information.  You don't seem to understand, we don't want customers like you. Ever. The effort vs reward ratio on people like you is disastrous to a company; You are the type of people that drag everything around you down because you've failed in one fashion or another and you want everyone else to be dragged to your level so that you don't feel so bad about yourselves.  The thing is, it's only a few select people ... you'll notice how no one else posts the ridiculous information you clowns post, right?  There's a reason for that - most people have a well developed sense of reality.  They understand the need to check their facts before passing them along to others.  You and those like you lack it, this is the "commonality" you are wondering about.  You don't check facts; You just want something to be true so desperately that you convince yourself that they are true, so you post them as if these imaginary things you have floating around in your head are facts.  What's truly frightening is the fact that you can be shown beyond a shadow of a doubt that what you're claiming is unquestionably false and you still maintain that it's true.  This last bit with Elden is a nice example of that. 

Inaba: "Here is a link to a post of you stating X." 
Elden: "No I didn't state X."
Inaba: "Are you denying that you posted that?"
Elden: "No."
Inaba: "..."

It's bizarre, but it is what it is.  But it's impossible to argue with someone so self deluded that they deny evidence that is right in front of them.

You made poor choices and now you have to live with them.  What's not understandable is why you feel the need to continually make things up and pass along false information, regardless of the reason behind it.  If you are just truly so ignorant that you can't be bothered to check your facts before posting, then stop posting.  If it's not case of ignorance, then it's pure malice or pettiness.  In either case, if you stopped posting on this forum all together, the collective IQ of Bitcoin Talk would rise by several points.  That is what your "contribution" to this community is - a sum negative.  It sucks to be at the bottom, I'm sure, but that's where people like you are and you need to deal with it and not involve others in your pathetic shenanigans. 

LOL...... man up.
The previous post is in NO way an insult.

Hey welcome to the club Elden! Seems you're also off Josh's Christmas list, grats!

Oscillators are means to provide a clock. Most any digital calculation requires a clock because you need to know when the data is present and ready to be calculated.

That's an interesting chip, what are you using it for?

No need to insult me, this was a simple question. And not for you btw.

I asked it because I have a multiprocessor chip at home which is in fact refereed to clockless and has the exact property I described, the GA144.
Of course there is are oscillators to drive the processors but they communicate with each other without global clock, and obviously the do not need clock buffers 
(And yes there are anecdotes of people telling them their design wouldn't work, but it does and again I already own one of their functioning chips)