Topic: Just what is a clock buffer anyway? - page 3. (Read 16570 times)

lolz

Nope, but you knew that. Worked about as well as FIFTH WEEK OF NOVEMBER worked for your customers. I only ordered in mid October however. Additionally since bASIC01 is SO much cheaper per Gh(45.8% less) than your company's overpriced products I'm good thanks. Now if you guys could just drop the ball ONE more time...CHA-CHING! You can do it Josh!

Yeah, how's that "week after Thanksgiving" or was it 1st week of December shipping date (It was kind of fuzzy from the start) from your vendor working out?  Got your ASIC yet?

lol yer a hoot.

Why must you always play dumb. You know as well as I do those guys are trapped. If they cancel their orders and request a refund then what? Back of the bus with the competition? Their options suck, because they trusted you when you said it'd be different this time, but it's not different this time is it Josh? Same fairy tale shipping dates pushed back a couple weeks at a time. Keep them hooked as long as possible because their refund option becomes less and less appealing over time. Oh but it's not BFL's fault, they're acting with integrity(obviously) and prowess, it's just that they're among the least lucky companies in the history of business. Please.

Locked up pre-orders?  Really?  Can you point me to a single person who hasn't gotten a refund that has asked for it?  No?  Ok, then you lied again. Quite the habit with you.

Blame bfl for not delivering on time, while the whole gpu/fpga community is profiting from that, and if they will deliver, blame them for killing that community of gpu/fpga miners.
It's indeed mostly a bunch of sour guys here, staring at that bitcoin mining calculator page, thinking of what could have been. Good luck with the scammer thread.

You seem to discount BFL's role in this at nearly every turn and as this conversation is OT anyway I'm going to let it go, but will happily continue discussing it in an appropriate existing thread. Does BFL deserve a scammer tag...for instance.

Yes, I was serious about asking on your thoughts about this. I've marked the difference in the 2 answers, economy against community btw. GPU's made CPU mining obsolete, it's just progress happening. To me it looked more like a warning to not put massive amounts of money in gpu's, and I'm glad I did not.


I don't know how many, but it has been said before, only put money in you can afford to loose. To many people only saw it as  a chance to cash in quick without a single care for the crypto currency or -community. About those suggested production/delivery dates, you are absolutely right.

No one paid $2652 for btc for a single, but the equivalent of $1299. Bitpay gave bfl $ for btc, so $1299 is what bfl got. If currencies going up/down would have to be compensated, would you pay up if your earlier payed btc's value would have went to $2? I don't know how Avalon and btcfpga suffered, they have more orders than they can fill atm, hence the second batches. "BFL locked up pre-orders based on a fairy tale shipping date they had zero chance of achieving."  -Agreed about them fairytale dates and knowing before they would not happen, unless they had last minute major fuck-ups with those asics, but they deny or they won't tell. Locked up pre-orders/money, no, at any moment people can, and always could, step out.

Did you intend these as serious questions? I'll treat them as such, despite the fact that a couple seem self evident. First, I *AM* personally pleased that BFL is spinning it's wheels, because as you say I benefit from their failures. It does not however benefit the crypto community to have a product that would obsolete GPUs and eventually FPGAs promised for October shipping be delayed until Q1 2013. How many have based their purchase decisions off this (mis)information. Looking back I simply cannot be convinced there was any chance whatsoever BFL could ship a working ASIC in October, but it certainly wasn't obvious in August.

BFL locked up pre-orders based on a fairy tale shipping date they had zero chance of achieving. This is the second time they've done this with a product launch. How much damage has been done to Avalon, BTCFPGA, and ASICMiner by this tactic? Pre-orders paid for in BTC 6 months ago? What's the real cost of a BFL Single SC to those miners?

$1299/$6/BTC = 216.5*$12.25 = $2652.13

Now that's a serious chunk of change for 60Gh, but it would've still been easily worth it if those early adopters had been the sole ASIC hashers working on 50BTC blocks. A "fuzzy" shipping date of 1/13 will make it difficult to imagine those early adopters being repaid for many months as ASICs come online from other vendors that didn't sell pre-orders so far in advance and come much closer to meeting their shipping schedules. This is the kind of stuff that lawyers salivate over.

Okay, I see. Thanks for clearing up. I was under the impression that the success of the 300 batch would determine if a next batch would come into production. At a competitive price. But that doesn't change the fact that the pie so far has 1300 pieces from 2 vendors and the rest is bfl's.

ps fixed that quote for you.

FTFY 

actually there is more than 300, just that we are releasing smaller batch at a time to avoid back orders. soon as we start shipping we'll start the order for the next batch, our chip batch is much much greater than that

How does their delay effect "the entire crypto economy"? You should jump from joy at every bfl delay, so the delay from your vendor does not push you too far back behind that tenfold/whatever difficulty line. About that pie, so far there's a max. 300pcs batch at Avalon, there's a max. 1000pcs batch at bctfpga, and anyone else that wants a piece of the pie can only go to bfl. How can that be bfl's fault?

february or march then?

 

Are you a pathological liar or something?  Are you denying you wrote this?



I asked you point blank if we are not using the phrase "full custom" correctly to describe our chips, what is wrong with it.  You proceeded to explain that what BFL was describing was a Standard-cell ASIC and/or synthesis-flow ASIC.  Ok, so I guess I missed a reason as to why you post such nonsense:  You a) Have an agenda, b) Don't know what you're talking about or c) are a pathological liar. 

I guess it's up for grabs which one.

Just because you didn't order from them doesn't mean you're unaffected by their delays. I ordered from their competition, so I most definitely care if/when BFL ships. This effects the entire crypto economy.

For myself, I don't hate BFL, I'd just prefer they hadn't been able to capture such a huge piece of the ASIC pie with their dishonest tactics of promising what they have no chance of delivering.

Where is all this hate coming from?  Most of you haven't even ordered an ASIC from BFL so why would you care if they ship on time or not?

I never said that.

It is my job not to under estimate my competitors, but now with the recent news and simulations the Avalon engineering team has ran. I now agree with them completely.

p.s.
This means for a long time the engineering team has believed BFL will not ship on time.

p.p.s.
for us to run the process of creating a custom QFN packaging it'll take 3 month.

Have they ever?