Topic: (JWL) JEWELS 🔷 HEROES LAUNCHED 🔷 1ST JWL USE CASE 🔷 TRADING ON BITTREX - page 119. (Read 212672 times)
August 26, 2016, 09:17:41 AM
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August 26, 2016, 09:10:39 AM
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August 26, 2016, 09:09:54 AM
Is there a radio show today?
I hope so, I've taken a break to come and check it out. Dev any update on the show?
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August 26, 2016, 09:02:11 AM
Is there a radio show today?
I hope so, I've taken a break to come and check it out. Dev any update on the show?
August 26, 2016, 09:00:04 AM
August 26, 2016, 08:44:17 AM
Is there a radio show today?
August 26, 2016, 08:41:47 AM
What is the name of the Slack team? I'd like to join.
It is just a few posts above https://jewels-slack.herokuapp.com/ or in the op. The more the merrier. We will build an army of conquerors, has anyone made a crypto guild yet?
Thanks, I joined slack. I still have to get used to it though, my first time.
I see many people requesting a guild on Apex Server. I won't put a lot of effort to level up on that server, I guess we will start back from scratch on Heroes one.
I don't have yet 1 million gold to open a guild on Apex yet but if I have some spare time I'll do it later today. I will call it Bitcointalk so everybody can find us and familiarize with the game.
August 26, 2016, 08:18:05 AM
We do not normally allow people to sell their in-game items for real world currencies (because it competes with our own revenues) but with a jewel system you would simply sell your in-game items for packs of jewels which you could then sell on any exchange to cash out to fiat currency.
So basically you will now be allowing in-game items to be sold for real world currencies using Jewels as an intermediary step.How is that not competing with you own revenues?
Because of this, the game will attract a much larger sub-audience of those who are trying to farm in-game items for cash. While at first glance this may sound like a bad thing, it's really not.
How do you avoid botting? There are already bots for Conquer Online. How do you prevent users adapting them to farm items and in-game currency on Apex, making the price of in-game item drop and sparking massive inflation of the in-game currency?This creates a higher demand for the jewels because not only can they be used on non pay2win elements (cosmetics) but now they can be used to purchase actual in game items and bonuses but it is done as peer2peer and therefor does not reflect poorly on the servers balance.
If you allow players to sell items that give an advantage in-game, like weapons, you are basically allowing Pay2Win. It's not Pay2Win between the players and you, but Pay2Win between players. A new player can basically come and buy $100 worth of Jewels, buy XP boosts and equip himself with topnotch equipment, and outperform players who have been playing for a while. I'm not saying that's necessarily a problem, Diablo 3 has been doing that for a while with the Real Money Auction House, but let's call a spade a spade.I dont know if this helps you or not but when I was doing some research I came across a thread on their forum about banned cheaters and some are for bots
http://www.apexconquer.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=58
August 26, 2016, 08:01:37 AM
So basically you will now be allowing in-game items to be sold for real world currencies using Jewels as an intermediary step.
How is that not competing with you own revenues?
How is that not competing with you own revenues?
Because we do not sell items for real life cash. The items we sell are things like VIP tokens, exclusive garments, RNG packs, etc. Players will always try to circumvent any system we have to sell their gears for cash. By using jewels we have the ability to introduce new systems such as a jewels auction house or at the very least the ability to enforce these trades. Less scams. more transparent for players not to mention those who will play simply because they view it as a way to earn money. We already have plenty of people who play for the purpose of paying bills in their country. We've banned large numbers of them but by securing and legitimizing these trades you actually grow your player base and reduce their complaints.
How do you avoid botting? There are already bots for Conquer Online. How do you prevent users adapting them to farm items and in-game currency on Apex, making the price of in-game item drop and sparking massive inflation of the in-game currency?
I can't go into the full details of our protection systems but here's a quick rundown of the measures we have in place.
-Anti injection/spoofing measures to check for memory based bots and packet based bots
-Process list tracking to scan for un-authorized programs running while the game is open
-Custom authorization and game encryption keys
-Server side sanity checks so if our client protection is removed/altered it will be detected
-Client file verification to check key files for edits
-Player report system so if they see suspicious behavior they can let us know. An invisible mod/gm will then investigate, scan their running processes and take the neccesary actions.
No anti bot system can claim to be un-crackable or anything like that but ours has proven very successful in the last year and a half. Any players we've found who've 'cheated' in our game have relied on simple click based macros or other such tools which are easily detected through player reports and their effects limited by safe system design (making systems less abusable by repetitive actions)
If you allow players to sell items that give an advantage in-game, like weapons, you are basically allowing Pay2Win. It's not Pay2Win between the players and you, but Pay2Win between players. A new player can basically come and buy $100 worth of Jewels, buy XP boosts and equip himself with topnotch equipment, and outperform players who have been playing for a while. I'm not saying that's necessarily a problem, Diablo 3 has been doing that for a while with the Real Money Auction House, but let's call a spade a spade.
There are many, many different ways people define what pay2win means to them. Having grown up playing games like conquer, I define pay 2 win as the gap between paying players and non paying players as being insurmountable. You spending 100 dollars being equal to 1,000 hours of gameplay for me would of course be pay2win. I'm aware that's a quite loose definition but I'm using the benchmark of the official versions of conquer online and other predatory MMOs with similar tactics.
If you came into heroes on day 1 and spent a large amount of money, it wouldn't mean you could all of a sudden be 'finished' the game. Sure you would have a very large amount of jewels on your account but that does not equate to instant items. You would have to find a player who wants your jewels (or an item you purchased with jewels) and trade it with them for an item they've actually obtained. This peer2peer system of trading and marketing strongly encourages players to interact with each other in a sort of symbiotic relationship between those who spend money and those who don't. Those who spend money purchase items others want (such as VIP tokens or shiny looking cosmetics others want) and then other spend their time completing quests, farming monsters, competing in events, etc to earn items to trade to that paying player.
Gambling
Have you checked what are the regulations regarding gambling in your country?
If your country has gambling regulations, it wouldn't be a good idea to host the gambling aspect of the game on servers under your company's responsibility.
There is an easy way around though: Ethereum smart contracts. If you have the gambling process run as a smart contract on Ethereum, it's not anymore under your responsibility but that of the network at large that is to say everyone and no one, but you can still get a cut from "the house"'s proceeds as a "shareholder" of the smart contract. For that to work best, I would recommend to implement Jewels as an Ethereum based tokens. You could also sell "The House" tokens if you want to share the costs, risks and rewards of running the gambling smart contracts.
Have you checked what are the regulations regarding gambling in your country?
If your country has gambling regulations, it wouldn't be a good idea to host the gambling aspect of the game on servers under your company's responsibility.
There is an easy way around though: Ethereum smart contracts. If you have the gambling process run as a smart contract on Ethereum, it's not anymore under your responsibility but that of the network at large that is to say everyone and no one, but you can still get a cut from "the house"'s proceeds as a "shareholder" of the smart contract. For that to work best, I would recommend to implement Jewels as an Ethereum based tokens. You could also sell "The House" tokens if you want to share the costs, risks and rewards of running the gambling smart contracts.
The gambling/jewels projects will be contained separately from the server projects. This is both for legal reasons regarding gambling and also to keep the jewels project insulated if there were ever any issues with the private servers coming under fire. The company that created conquer online has not done anything to private servers in a decade but it's better to be safe than sorry.
On-chain game assets
If you are really motivated to make a kick-ass game economy, motivate other game developers to join, and get a lot of attention in the crypto community, you could allow game items to be stored on-chain and exchanged as crypto tokens. Maybe not every item, but at least legendary items. You could create new "collector" items once in a while, give away half of them at random in the game, and sell the rest for Jewels. Makes another nice source of income. That's exactly what Spells of Genesis is doing. They are using Counterparty tokens to represent each type of tradable card, and they are exchanged for their currency called BitCrystals on the Couterparty decentralized exchange. Of course if you are using Ethereum for gambling, it would make more sense to implement that using Ethereum tokens. In that case, you could simply fork the EtherEx exchange contract and make an in-game asset exchanges you control (in which case you can also charge trading fees, which would be another revenue source).
If you are really motivated to make a kick-ass game economy, motivate other game developers to join, and get a lot of attention in the crypto community, you could allow game items to be stored on-chain and exchanged as crypto tokens. Maybe not every item, but at least legendary items. You could create new "collector" items once in a while, give away half of them at random in the game, and sell the rest for Jewels. Makes another nice source of income. That's exactly what Spells of Genesis is doing. They are using Counterparty tokens to represent each type of tradable card, and they are exchanged for their currency called BitCrystals on the Couterparty decentralized exchange. Of course if you are using Ethereum for gambling, it would make more sense to implement that using Ethereum tokens. In that case, you could simply fork the EtherEx exchange contract and make an in-game asset exchanges you control (in which case you can also charge trading fees, which would be another revenue source).
We have actually brought up a few proposed ideas regarding this and mentioned them to bitcrytals. The idea we had was to do a sort of partnership where cards could be transferred into Heroes to receive in-game items that looked like the card (a weapon, an armor, etc) and could be traded back out. To implement tokenized items wouldn't make sense for most standard in-game items (they are combined and deleted and shifted so often it would be a mess!) but for things like importing cards from spells of genesis and any other similar cosmetic items, I do like that idea and it's something we've discussed some.
Personally my focus has been on the gambling side of things but I am not opposed to doing on-chain assets in the future, it just requires the right circumstances or partnership for it to make sense.
August 26, 2016, 07:37:45 AM
August 26, 2016, 07:05:17 AM
Great stuff. Ready to see this one mooning.
August 26, 2016, 07:02:49 AM
Thanks for all the replies JewelsProject and Pro4Never.
A few more questions and remarks for the road. I prefer asking them here so that everyone can catch up with the replies.
Gambling
Have you checked what are the regulations regarding gambling in your country?
If your country has gambling regulations, it wouldn't be a good idea to host the gambling aspect of the game on servers under your company's responsibility.
There is an easy way around though: Ethereum smart contracts. If you have the gambling process run as a smart contract on Ethereum, it's not anymore under your responsibility but that of the network at large that is to say everyone and no one, but you can still get a cut from "the house"'s proceeds as a "shareholder" of the smart contract. For that to work best, I would recommend to implement Jewels as an Ethereum based tokens. You could also sell "The House" tokens if you want to share the costs, risks and rewards of running the gambling smart contracts.
On-chain game assets
If you are really motivated to make a kick-ass game economy, motivate other game developers to join, and get a lot of attention in the crypto community, you could allow game items to be stored on-chain and exchanged as crypto tokens. Maybe not every item, but at least legendary items. You could create new "collector" items once in a while, give away half of them at random in the game, and sell the rest for Jewels. Makes another nice source of income. That's exactly what Spells of Genesis is doing. They are using Counterparty tokens to represent each type of tradable card, and they are exchanged for their currency called BitCrystals on the Couterparty decentralized exchange. Of course if you are using Ethereum for gambling, it would make more sense to implement that using Ethereum tokens. In that case, you could simply fork the EtherEx exchange contract and make an in-game asset exchanges you control (in which case you can also charge trading fees, which would be another revenue source).
A few more questions and remarks for the road. I prefer asking them here so that everyone can catch up with the replies.
Gambling
Have you checked what are the regulations regarding gambling in your country?
If your country has gambling regulations, it wouldn't be a good idea to host the gambling aspect of the game on servers under your company's responsibility.
There is an easy way around though: Ethereum smart contracts. If you have the gambling process run as a smart contract on Ethereum, it's not anymore under your responsibility but that of the network at large that is to say everyone and no one, but you can still get a cut from "the house"'s proceeds as a "shareholder" of the smart contract. For that to work best, I would recommend to implement Jewels as an Ethereum based tokens. You could also sell "The House" tokens if you want to share the costs, risks and rewards of running the gambling smart contracts.
On-chain game assets
If you are really motivated to make a kick-ass game economy, motivate other game developers to join, and get a lot of attention in the crypto community, you could allow game items to be stored on-chain and exchanged as crypto tokens. Maybe not every item, but at least legendary items. You could create new "collector" items once in a while, give away half of them at random in the game, and sell the rest for Jewels. Makes another nice source of income. That's exactly what Spells of Genesis is doing. They are using Counterparty tokens to represent each type of tradable card, and they are exchanged for their currency called BitCrystals on the Couterparty decentralized exchange. Of course if you are using Ethereum for gambling, it would make more sense to implement that using Ethereum tokens. In that case, you could simply fork the EtherEx exchange contract and make an in-game asset exchanges you control (in which case you can also charge trading fees, which would be another revenue source).
August 26, 2016, 06:11:05 AM
If anyone has any questions or opinions that they'd like to discuss we're more then happy to oblige in an engaging dialogue. Join us over on Slack, we'd love to hear more of peoples thoughts on more controversial or highly discussed topics such as the ones freequant brought up!
this is a prime example of a team we should be backing. come and pick our brain guys see what we can all achieve, with that kind of communiuty care there will be no stopping jewels.
It was a breath of freshair within crypto seeing this project and dev.
so many different ico at them moment but none have such a real world use and userbase.
jewels will be on the moon when heroes is released with such a tiny starting marketcap.
the room for improvemnt of price is crazy.
i like gaming but i am investing to make money and i have found my x10 coin.
August 26, 2016, 05:18:10 AM
What is the name of the Slack team? I'd like to join.
It is just a few posts above https://jewels-slack.herokuapp.com/ or in the op. The more the merrier. We will build an army of conquerors, has anyone made a crypto guild yet?
August 26, 2016, 05:06:39 AM
What is the name of the Slack team? I'd like to join.
August 26, 2016, 04:30:37 AM
Ready to start Slackin'?
We now have a Slack you can come join and talk to us in! The opening post has been edited at the bottom to now include the link to our slack or to sign up simply visit https://jewels-slack.herokuapp.com/ and you'll be able to join. We're still making minor tweaks but we encourage all of our users to pop in and say hello.
See you on Slack!
We now have a Slack you can come join and talk to us in! The opening post has been edited at the bottom to now include the link to our slack or to sign up simply visit https://jewels-slack.herokuapp.com/ and you'll be able to join. We're still making minor tweaks but we encourage all of our users to pop in and say hello.
See you on Slack!
This is great a place for quick communication between investors and start clans and stuff. Im not going to be at my computer alot of the day but i will join when i get to it later this evening.
Thanks for bumping that to remind me, I'm going to join before I head out to take the wife shopping and will have a chat when I return.
August 26, 2016, 03:58:17 AM
Ready to start Slackin'?
We now have a Slack you can come join and talk to us in! The opening post has been edited at the bottom to now include the link to our slack or to sign up simply visit https://jewels-slack.herokuapp.com/ and you'll be able to join. We're still making minor tweaks but we encourage all of our users to pop in and say hello.
See you on Slack!
We now have a Slack you can come join and talk to us in! The opening post has been edited at the bottom to now include the link to our slack or to sign up simply visit https://jewels-slack.herokuapp.com/ and you'll be able to join. We're still making minor tweaks but we encourage all of our users to pop in and say hello.
See you on Slack!
This is great a place for quick communication between investors and start clans and stuff. Im not going to be at my computer alot of the day but i will join when i get to it later this evening.
August 26, 2016, 01:54:50 AM
If anyone has any questions or opinions that they'd like to discuss we're more then happy to oblige in an engaging dialogue. Join us over on Slack, we'd love to hear more of peoples thoughts on more controversial or highly discussed topics such as the ones freequant brought up!
this is a prime example of a team we should be backing. come and pick our brain guys see what we can all achieve, with that kind of communiuty care there will be no stopping jewels.
They do have their priorities in the right place from an outsider perspective. I will be investing but I just like to wait until the final days and be part of the hype train
my research into pro4never and apex has been done and I'm happy with the result. The idea of JEWELS being implemented into many provably fair gambling games in-game is a clear winner and beats what is available currently. Keep it up guysThe bolded made me scratch my head. I don't understand why people always wait to the end of the sale, it truly amazes me and you have good will power because i couldn't wait lol my funds are there and possibly some spare funds will go in from work on last working day of the month.
August 26, 2016, 12:31:02 AM
Will leave it to Pro4Never to link you to the references about skills and classes, however as for recommendation it depends really on what you want your end class or play style to be. Once you know your end class there are some favorable paths that people tend to go for example if you want to end Trojan most people tend to go Water-Warrior-Trojan. Warrior is a very common middle rebirth class because of how strong the skill "Reflect" is which is a random chance to negate incoming damage. To sum it up for you
Trojans - are high dps beserkers
Warriors - are sort of like bruisers (decent damage, but more tanky then trojans)
Archers - are utility based (stun locking / cc)
Water Taoists - are utility / support mages
Fire Taoists - are ranged mages with a consistent damage out put
Trojans - are high dps beserkers
Warriors - are sort of like bruisers (decent damage, but more tanky then trojans)
Archers - are utility based (stun locking / cc)
Water Taoists - are utility / support mages
Fire Taoists - are ranged mages with a consistent damage out put
To add onto this, Heroes introduces 2 new classes, monks and ninjas. It also introduces new 'pure skills' for players who want to stick with the same class and adds the reincarnation system so players can re-work their previous lives.
Monks
Primary Uses
-Interrupting agile enemies (lower damage but slight stun allowing for combos or allies to help)
-Cleansing negative effects from allies (remove poison, shackle, etc)
-Buffing allies (elemental resistance, bonus crit chance)
-Pure skill (soul shackle) locks down enemy ghosts making them unable to be revived or move
Ninjas
Primary Uses
-Cursing enemies with poisons (reducing hp over time, blocking healing, knocking down flying targets)
-Focuses on picking off low health or low defense targets (weak vs tanks)
-Pure skill (counter-kill) randomly teleports behind someone who attacked you dealing damage and then returning you to your initial location.
Thanks this helps a lot. I think I'm going to try playing a trojan and see how they feel and if it's not really my thing I think I will try ninja. What class do you think is the best at solo 1v1?
August 25, 2016, 11:48:40 PM
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