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OK, so using your revised set of numbers, for the same $ purchase, you get 8 S9's, 4 backup control boards, and 1 backup hashboard....
Which gives you 2 rigs on the shelf (to run when your imaginary "16.667% loss" takes place, twice...)...
So, with the S9 package, we have spare parts for all of the controllers (2 from the shelved rigs plus the 4 for equal cost), 7 spare hash boards (6 from the shelved rigs), greater power efficiency (enough to buy a 9th rig just from savings, by your own numbers), and someone's still a fanboy? Shocked
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...There were many people on this very thread that wrote "do not buy the first few batches of the s9. They will have problems just like the S5 and s3 did". And I did not buy until batch 5. Which must be the reason why I am not having any problems. So it sounds like other people did not use the same wisdom.
Like I said, I'm not saying that they are without issues (I have some from batch 4 that run ~10 rather than ~13, but I'm "OK" with it because the ROI on downtime and shipping would take 27 months to equalize).

I'm simply saying that you have to be completely unconcerned with ROI, or just a complete fanboy, to say that the 2 rigs (S9 and A7) are even in the same market for comparison.
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... It's just there are bad business people not treating their equipment right that make it seem that there is a high failure rate.
AKA hobbyists  Wink

I tripped over the power cable to one of the PSUs running my S9 and it spiked the mains and now that hash board doesn't power up. PSU is still good so I suspect the regulator has died but it's too cold to take it apart because two S7s aren't enough to keep my flat warm.

Is that what you mean by hobbyist? Wink

Well I didn't quite mean it like that. I think the difference between the two is how much money you have to invest.  And with out a doubt there are stupid people with money to invest. And smart people with little money to invest.
This thread does have a lot of hobbyists. And I have learned a good bit off of them. For example. There were many people on this very thread that wrote "do not buy the first few batches of the s9. They will have problems just like the S5 and s3 did". And I did not buy until batch 5. Which must be the reason why I am not having any problems. So it sounds like other people did not use the same wisdom.
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your price is  off on the a7  they are $888.00 before shipping not   1,222.29

I paid 2,032 for 2 with 1 controller  so if you use 1016  not 1222.29 you total for 11 = 11176  that counts shipping and gives you 5 rasp pi's
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Edit 2: *based on retail price in yxt's singature

So, @ $1016, you only get to throw 4 unused S9s in the trash instead of 5  Tongue
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If you are a trucking company would you buy the truck that costs more and need more fuel but drive on the road all the time, making money. And if something is defective you have very good customer service.
Or the one that is cheaper, needs less fuel but you have troubles all the time, you have to argue with the customer service about very cheap spare parts even if you bought hunderts of trucks from them....
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As for your analogy....
That's so flawed that I don't even know where to begin....
Since 66 is the LCM...
   Unit Cost   Power Usage   TH/s   Power/TH   (kWh) cost USD   Yearly Power Cost/TH   Yearly Power Cost @ 66TH   Purchase Cost for 66TH
A7$1,222.29   1,000.00   6   166.67   $0.10   $146.39   $9,661.87    $13,445.19
S9$1,232.00   1,185.80   11   107.80   $0.10   $94.67   $6,248.40   $7,392.00

Edit: purchase price alone, you could buy 11 S9s (not counting the 1 that the power cost difference makes), throw 5 in the trash (having never used them) and still save $.

your price is  off on the a7  they are $888.00 before shipping not   1,222.29

I paid 2,032 for 2 with 1 controller  so if you use 1016  not 1222.29 you total for 11 = 11176  that counts shipping and gives you 5 rasp pi's

my last s9 was 60 to ship so 1232 + 60 = 1292 x 6 = 7752

so s9 = 7752

avalon 7 = 11,176

if 1 s9 breaks that is  16.667% loss
if 0 A7 breaks  that is 0% loss

so  7752 x 1.16667 = 9044  act cost of the s9  not 7752

so compare 9044 to 11,176

next if the old s9 is really 83%  block luck

9044 x 1.16667 = 10551 is what 66th of old s9 costs you   vs 11,176

power you did at 10 cents do it at 5 cents

a7 = 4831  not 9661
s9 = 3124  not 6248

So this would be a lot closer to realty for people  that can do 66th of gear and purchased the old s9's

cost of the old s9's were a lot  higher then  the numbers used here. but some of the time blocks were 25 not 12.5



But that just numbers.

So if you want to prove a point at least  use the right prices for the avalon 7's

it still shows that s9's are  better not a lot  but still better
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...Is that what you mean by hobbyist? Wink
When I stop lmao, I will answer that.  Tongue
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... It's just there are bad business people not treating their equipment right that make it seem that there is a high failure rate.
AKA hobbyists  Wink

I tripped over the power cable to one of the PSUs running my S9 and it spiked the mains and now that hash board doesn't power up. PSU is still good so I suspect the regulator has died but it's too cold to take it apart because two S7s aren't enough to keep my flat warm.

Is that what you mean by hobbyist? Wink
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... It's just there are bad business people not treating their equipment right that make it seem that there is a high failure rate.
AKA hobbyists  Wink
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that S9s aren't a steaming pile of bovine dung; I'm saying that, dung or not, they pay the bills better than the current alternatives.
Not if they're not finding blocks...

I am not sure how to interpret this from a practical point of view.
do other pools have the same phenomenon? What about slush's or other non-bitmain associated pools?
If they do-I will subscribe to this argument of "poison" S9 v1
If they don't-?
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If you are a trucking company would you buy the truck that costs more and need more fuel but drive on the road all the time, making money. And if something is defective you have very good customer service.
Or the one that is cheaper, needs less fuel but you have troubles all the time, you have to argue with the customer service about very cheap spare parts even if you bought hunderts of trucks from them....
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As for your analogy....
That's so flawed that I don't even know where to begin....

Actually it is spot on. Except for his argument of course.
You see I am a owner operator truck driver. I know all to well the maitinance of a trucking company.  Big trucks cost big money. Which is why you have to maximize your profits. You have to maximize your gross income because there will always be costs that drive down your net income. Costs are a fact of life. Or should I say a fact of business. There are going to be failures. I expect there to be failures. But that is just part of business. There are brand new cars that have recalls on them. Brand new toasters that do not work when you buy them.

I have not had any problem with cold solder. Which makes up a good part of the complaints. I have not had problems with over heating because I do not have them in a closet in my house hashing away. I think we can all agree there has been an infux of people that are new to mining. (Including myself ) Those are the people misusing the equipment.  Overclocking, under ventilation, power surges. I am not pointing fingers at anyone on this thread. After all. Equipment failure is part of business. It's just there are bad business people not treating their equipment right that make it seem that there is a high failure rate.
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If you are a trucking company would you buy the truck that costs more and need more fuel but drive on the road all the time, making money. And if something is defective you have very good customer service.
Or the one that is cheaper, needs less fuel but you have troubles all the time, you have to argue with the customer service about very cheap spare parts even if you bought hunderts of trucks from them....
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As for your analogy....
That's so flawed that I don't even know where to begin....
Since 66 is the LCM...
   Unit Cost   Power Usage   TH/s   Power/TH   (kWh) cost USD   Yearly Power Cost/TH   Yearly Power Cost @ 66TH   Purchase Cost for 66TH
A7$1,222.29*   1,000.00   6   166.67   $0.10   $146.39   $9,661.87    $13,445.19
S9$1,232.00   1,185.80   11   107.80   $0.10   $94.67   $6,248.40   $7,392.00

Edit: purchase price alone, you could buy 11 S9s (not counting the 1 that the power cost difference makes), throw 5 in the trash (having never used them) and still save $.

Edit 2: *based on retail price in yxt's singature
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ok, so most of them are not too old. I hope you stay lucky Smiley


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spare parts are not free and maintance cost time, that isn't free either.

If you are a trucking company would you buy the truck that costs more and need more fuel but drive on the road all the time, making money. And if something is defective you have very good customer service.
Or the one that is cheaper, needs less fuel but you have troubles all the time, you have to argue with the customer service about very cheap spare parts even if you bought hunderts of trucks from them....

But competition is good, everybody should buy what he think fits him best.
I am out from that diskussion. Because I have decided for Avalon
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I now have 19 s9 and still have had no problems. I must be the the luckiest guy in the world. ....

What batch? post again in 6-12 months.
As I have A6, S7, A721 and S9 I can comment very well on durability and customer service Wink

S9s are a steaming pile of bullshit, but the cost less to run (in the long run [100+ blocks]) than A7s, and therefore have a better ROI... It's that simple!

You ignore that the S9 seems to have a higher failure rate

But yes...back on topic: kano.is pool

Batch 5,10,18,22,24.
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I talk about broken units. A unit stopped hashing can't be hashing for lower costs...

Now this may be the difference between hobby and income, but I'm not sure why anyone with more than 2 or 3 units wouldn't have spare parts....
Would you own 3 race cars and 0 spare tires at the track on race day?
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They are there, and he's posted them, and I've even quoted his posting of them.... Undecided

You are right, sorry about that.  Embarrassed

I guess the reason he was adding in the figures for the A6 is because there have only been a few blocks by them. That is too few blocks to compare. If you add in the S7s then you are comparing vastly different numbers. Additionally, the S7s used completely different software than the S9s, whereas the A6 and A7 use very similar software.
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You ignore that the S9 seems to have a higher failure rate...
And you ignore that with that higher failure rate (which, by the way, is why I call them a steaming pile of bullshit), the difference is nominal and the costs are lower.  Undecided

I talk about broken units. A unit stopped hashing can't be hashing for lower costs...
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...I was just saying he can't compare just the A7 to just the S9 since the numbers are not there to do that.
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They are there, and he's posted them, and I've even quoted his posting of them.... Undecided
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No, the problem is that you have to do bullshit "tricks" with the numbers to in any way decide that an A7 is measurably better than an S9.
You can fanboy fudge the numbers all day and I can knock them back to reality all day...
S9s are a steaming pile of bullshit, but the cost less to run (in the long run [100+ blocks]) than A7s, and therefore have a better ROI... It's that simple!

I'm not saying either one is better or worse, nor do I really care since I own neither.

I was just saying he can't compare just the A7 to just the S9 since the numbers are not there to do that.

I agree with what you are saying, based on $/TH and W/TH the S9 should be a better investment.
This is the same as cars, it is more cost effective to buy a used car every year for $1000 than to buy a new one for $300+/month. Or Honda vs Cadillac. Or people that buy Apple products. The list goes on and on, some people are willing to pay more even though there is no financial reason to do so.
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You ignore that the S9 seems to have a higher failure rate...
And you ignore that with that higher failure rate (which, by the way, is why I call them a steaming pile of bullshit), the difference is nominal and the costs are lower.  Undecided
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