Topic: KanoPool kano.is lowest 0.9% fee 🐈 since 2014 - Worldwide - 2432 blocks - page 1103. (Read 5352229 times)

Block by schmokeandapancake! 

There is no such thing as "progress towards a block". Every single hash has a chance of finding a block and is completely independent of every other hash on the same hardware even, let alone a whole pool.

Nope, independent events.  Each share is found on its own as I'm sure -ck will point out with more elegance than I.

Right. But the A6 did not find the block all by it self. It got there because of the work done by all. Right?

We can identify most mining hardware from the mining protocol information so we can associate shares with the mining hardware it came from and derive statistical data from that. That's done in addition to checking the mining data on a per-user and per-worker basis.

I guess I am just missing something here. How can you compare expected blocks of different miners when different miners are on this pool. The work sent from kano to the miners is random right? So if a A6 hits a block. It is most likely because s9's did a lot of the work. Or A7's,s5's,s3's,or whatever else miners are out there. The only way you could truly compare the expected blocks is if they were each in their own pool.

Given that I bounce the whole space (mining BTC, mining a couple altcoins, and trading), mine is usually a little bit less than that; but I'll sit back and watch the naysayers call us liars.

I don't know about you but, my ROI is 4.87 months. Is that good enough?

To coin an '80s phrase, "There ain't no half steppin'!"
When the resale value of S9s exceed what one can get out of them,either: you don't own enough of them; a more efficient rig has been put on the market (and you're going to dump S9s on some broke n00b); or you have no future vision of the value of BTC

I'm pretty sure there are more than just those two reasons for reselling miners

When the resale value exceeds the reasonable expectation of what you can possibly mine with the device - you should get rid of it (or not buy it to begin with) - wouldn't you agree? Unless it's a hobby. In which case none of the ROI talk matters anyway.

Me? I hate how much time I spend on this forum:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ck-19971

I'd love to avoid coming here as much as I do since I have a sense of obligation now that I am a moderator, but all the other moderators have gone idle

I do read far too many threads so don't assume I've been skimming (it's not exactly all enjoyable reading, nor the friendliest forum on earth.) Giving the recommendation I did did not come lightly. Even kano has avoided explicitly spelling it out the way I did and he's very conscious of the potential loss of significant hashrate if people just point their hashes elsewhere. I did not tell people to point their hashes elsewhere, but I'm recommending people upgrade IF they can AND it suits. You're right that I did not explicitly say so in the earlier post though.

Unless you're dying and need quick liquidation or a more efficient model comes out, who cares about resale value? 

Can you even buy a new S9? Every time I look it's out of stock.

The only real advantage of the S9 is its resale value, which for some inexplicable reason is still very high. Although if you consider BTC exchange rate those ~4 BTC early batches don't sound so good.

Other than that both the S9 and the A7 sound like shitty investments considering recent diff jumps and Bitmain firing up its Hashnest and whatnot.

No. Sample size is too small to draw the same conclusion with only 6.5 total BDR. Plus we're not saying CONCLUSIVELY that it is a problem, but upgrading firmware, where you can, is desirable since it MAY be a problem.

it is not that simple (re upgrade). New firmware does not work quite well on old (non-autotuned) miners, at least for me. I tried and miners overheated.
realistic choice is to point S9 v1 miners to other pools and that's what people probably did and Phil mentioned this.
Personally, i think that pushing this proposition might result in a loss of much hashing power of your pool, but it is your playground, you make the rules.
re statistics, wasn't that 68-70 vs 100 expected before? If so, then more recent blocks are 12 vs 10 expected.
I would like some specialist analyze all of it. Can organofcorti take a look at all of this? Many people would be interested.
In clinical trials data based on a subset that was not initially established usually turns out to be a false signal, but who really knows here.

Yeah, no. As I posted before......
When extrapolated, 6.5:5 is virtually* the same as 103.6:79!


See above and see why you should be making the exact same appeal to A7 owners!


*< 1 block difference in 103 total blocks

If you absolutely can not  upgrade to the new autotune firmware (my case until April)  You can pull from this pool and point to Antpool or f2pool

Just point auto tune s9's here  or in my case avalon 7's.  At the moment I have all my avalon 7's here and all my s9 old firmware at f2pool.

I am hoping to get some  bitfury and point here.


The goal is to get all old firmware s9's off this pool

or updated to auto firmware if you can.

Kano does a luck report regularly to find block withholders - they show up as making no blocks at all over an extended period when they should have made some (it's random so you can't detect it until they've been hashing many blocks' worth). He reports it here regularly though I'm not sure everyone understands the implications of the report. The S9 batch 1 across all miners as you see above by now should have found 110 blocks based on the total hashes they've submitted to this pool but have so far only found 82. This is by far worse than any other device that we can positively identify. We can only speculate why this is, but the batch 1 firmware also had some other stratum extension that was never working on any pools so it was removed in later firmware. It is possible there is some kind of bug in the original firmware.

This is why he was urging everyone with S9s that was still on v1 firmware to upgrade. I'm aware that you lose some kind of frequency control or fan control or something by upgrading but that's nowhere near as bad as (potentially) losing blocks.

As for whether other pools are affected, we can only report accurately what happens here, and only speculate what is happening on other pools based on people grumbling about bad luck on almost every other pool thread. It certainly looks like global luck has been down across all pools since the S9 came out, but I can't say anything for certain.

Well...from the look of it (haven't had time to read into it)...Canaan is working on the next iteration, which I would expect for them to be doing at this point. That's the great thing about open source. I should take a look at the code and see what I can see. 

I disagree. It's not how much you have to invest; it's what proportional importance mining has to your overall situation. A hobbyist does something because they enjoy it, and can afford to "lose" money on it...perhaps. I've been mining since the beginning, and I think that to assume because I run around 24TH at this point in time that I'm a hobbyist is...frankly...ridiculous. I'm partially disabled and live primarily on VA disability and SS. Mining provides a significant percentage of my net spendable (or invest-able, depending). OTOH, there was at time back in the day when I had a net worth of ~USD15M (1980 dollars). The crash in '07, plus nearly dying, drained every pence of my resources, and changed all that. So...I think those sorts of comparisons are not very helpful, because I'm not unique in that way.

My last point is that one should not have to think about waiting for the first few batches to show up the real bugs before buying...or that there should be a situation requiring...basically...running the mfr's burn-in beta tests at the expense of your customers' power and frustration. Now, THAT sucks.