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vh
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Started mining yesterday.....haven't seen any payments yet.  that normal?

welcome aboard.

~17 hour before seeing first payout (6 confirms per hour),
~1.5 days for "Your N Avg" to equal gear speed, and (+17 hrs) for that speeds payout.
pplns = slow and steady.

misc items to look into while waiting:

once "Your N Avg" plateaus,
   1) you can pop that value into any calculator to get an ideal BTC/day.
   2) take "Your BTC" * 120 / "N Range (in hours, 15min = .25h)" to get rough BTC/day.
   3) if you stick around longer, check out Zack's monitor - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/kanopool-monitor-hashrates-workers-rewards-and-notifications-for-kanpool-1331875
   4) follow my signature for misc iphone notification.
   
legendary
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Started mining yesterday.....haven't seen any payments yet.  that normal?

What was the first block hit by the pool after you started and what is your approximate hash level?

check your rewards page for the lowest block number there.

sounds potentially normal, this early on.

payout is done a little while after the block is matured.   at the moment, last confirmed payout is for block 404998.
if this block is on your rewards page, and the "your btc" column is > 0.0001, then it not normal.

if the lowest block listed there is higher than this or you are dust mining, then it is normal.

Block   Block UTC   Miner Reward   N Diff   N Range   Pool N Avg   Your %   Your N Diff   Your N Avg   Your BTC
405137   31/Mar 16:51   25.90346506   834.320G   30hr 13m 49s   32.93PHs   4.57%   38.088G   1,503.14THs   1.18252035
405120   31/Mar 12:50   24.95105578   844.629G   30hr 49m 35s   32.69PHs   3.39%   28.614G   1,107.42THs   0.84528232
405112   31/Mar 11:39   24.91095126   827.509G   30hr 19m 45s   32.55PHs   3.02%   25.008G   983.72THs   0.75282583
405109   31/Mar 11:29   24.90221409   841.923G   30hr 55m 9s   32.49PHs   2.91%   24.512G   945.81THs   0.72500034
405094   31/Mar 09:34   25.12973735   846.588G   31hr 22m 10s   32.20PHs   2.17%   18.398G   699.73THs   0.54613085
405089   31/Mar 08:22   25.03506373   830.622G   30hr 53m 36s   32.08PHs   1.77%   14.727G   568.72THs   0.44386477
405083   31/Mar 06:53   25.52986953   830.177G   31hr 2m 1s   31.92PHs   1.23%   10.193G   391.85THs   0.31345631



looks like the case....

Payout is done manually some short time after 101+ confirms.

https://www.kano.is/index.php?k=blocks
legendary
Activity: 2044
Merit: 1000
Started mining yesterday.....haven't seen any payments yet.  that normal?

What was the first block hit by the pool after you started and what is your approximate hash level?

check your rewards page for the lowest block number there.

sounds potentially normal, this early on.

payout is done a little while after the block is matured.   at the moment, last confirmed payout is for block 404998.
if this block is on your rewards page, and the "your btc" column is > 0.0001, then it not normal.

if the lowest block listed there is higher than this or you are dust mining, then it is normal.

Block   Block UTC   Miner Reward   N Diff   N Range   Pool N Avg   Your %   Your N Diff   Your N Avg   Your BTC
405137   31/Mar 16:51   25.90346506   834.320G   30hr 13m 49s   32.93PHs   4.57%   38.088G   1,503.14THs   1.18252035
405120   31/Mar 12:50   24.95105578   844.629G   30hr 49m 35s   32.69PHs   3.39%   28.614G   1,107.42THs   0.84528232
405112   31/Mar 11:39   24.91095126   827.509G   30hr 19m 45s   32.55PHs   3.02%   25.008G   983.72THs   0.75282583
405109   31/Mar 11:29   24.90221409   841.923G   30hr 55m 9s   32.49PHs   2.91%   24.512G   945.81THs   0.72500034
405094   31/Mar 09:34   25.12973735   846.588G   31hr 22m 10s   32.20PHs   2.17%   18.398G   699.73THs   0.54613085
405089   31/Mar 08:22   25.03506373   830.622G   30hr 53m 36s   32.08PHs   1.77%   14.727G   568.72THs   0.44386477
405083   31/Mar 06:53   25.52986953   830.177G   31hr 2m 1s   31.92PHs   1.23%   10.193G   391.85THs   0.31345631



looks like the case....
sr. member
Activity: 305
Merit: 250
Block!!

Will this be the day - we smash the 8 block record?

Woah!  This is a 26+ BTC Block!  Gotta love those...way to go jmww! Cheesy

Transaction Fees   1.13871348 BTC

very nice !

That's over 4%.  Very nice indeed!
legendary
Activity: 1638
Merit: 1005
Block!!

Will this be the day - we smash the 8 block record?

Woah!  This is a 26+ BTC Block!  Gotta love those...way to go jmww! Cheesy

Transaction Fees   1.13871348 BTC

very nice !
legendary
Activity: 1736
Merit: 1032
Carl, aka Sonny :)
Block!!

Will this be the day - we smash the 8 block record?

Woah!  This is a 26+ BTC Block!  Gotta love those...way to go jmww! Cheesy
vh
hero member
Activity: 699
Merit: 666
Started mining yesterday.....haven't seen any payments yet.  that normal?

What was the first block hit by the pool after you started and what is your approximate hash level?

check your rewards page for the lowest block number there.

sounds potentially normal, this early on.

payout is done a little while after the block is matured.   at the moment, last confirmed payout is for block 404998.
if this block is on your rewards page, and the "your btc" column is > 0.0001, then it not normal.

if the lowest block listed there is higher than this or you are dust mining, then it is normal.
legendary
Activity: 1736
Merit: 1032
Carl, aka Sonny :)
Started mining yesterday.....haven't seen any payments yet.  that normal?

What was the first block hit by the pool after you started and what is your approximate hash level?
sr. member
Activity: 305
Merit: 250
For whatever it is worth, my well thought out revised numbers are:

53.52% of rental shifts are rewarded 5+ times (76 of 142)
Average rental shift reward: 5.19 (103.8%)
Rental Profit/Loss: +0.84%

There is still over half a day left for some shifts to be paid more, so please invalidate these quickly (even if it does help philipma1957 win the debate in the short term).

legendary
Activity: 2044
Merit: 1000
Started mining yesterday.....haven't seen any payments yet.  that normal?
legendary
Activity: 1834
Merit: 1080
---- winter*juvia -----
...

....and another block just came in so all of the numbers I typed are invalid already...



good best way to get  a block is type out a long well written idea.  and boom no longer accurate. Grin Grin



please wirte somthing up well thought out not full of tpyos .

so that we hit antoher block. Grin

we will call it good grammer bad grammer techniuge

so this post it the bad gramma you last post was good grammer  lets see what happens!

we may break the 8-block day record....with 7 more hours to go (UTC)
legendary
Activity: 4354
Merit: 9201
'The right to privacy matters'
...

....and another block just came in so all of the numbers I typed are invalid already...



good best way to get  a block is type out a long well written idea.  and boom no longer accurate. Grin Grin



please wirte somthing up well thought out not full of tpyos .

so that we hit antoher block. Grin

we will call it good grammer bad grammer techniuge

so this post it the bad gramma you last post was good grammer  lets see what happens!
sr. member
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Merit: 250
It will be interesting to see how this works out since we have different strategies.

I'm now 99.2% (0.8% loss) on the rentals with 53.52% of rental shifts paid 5+ rewards.

Now, that said, my rentals did turn off 11 hours ago due to high prices (right about when the luck began here, actually).  They are gradually falling off the N range. Time will tell which side of the variance this gap falls on, since it is the future luck that will determine if it is good or bad to not be making up for the missing rental hash right now (it is equally possible for me to be lucky to not be renting during those shifts if we have a series of long blocks as it is possible for me to be unlucky and missing out on a continued block party).

yes and this is why your method is failing.  the pool gets hot and lots of people jump in bump you out of the hot streak.

I pay a slight premium on purpose for this pool only when I  rent  hash for mining  here.

The "hot streak" (positive variance) pays the shares I mined in the past.  That is why I recovered a 20% loss in one day from the shares submitted by rentals when we weren't in a "hot streak".  I can not guarantee that will continue, so I have an equal chance of coming out ahead as I do falling behind by not renting when the prices are high.  Unless the quality of hash is influencing pool luck (I doubt it is in any significant way) then randomness is randomness and we should have an equal number of profitable and unprofitable shifts in the long run.  The only difference should be in how much was paid to obtain those rewards.

I'm open to being proven wrong, but if what you say is provably true, then the shifts I choose to rent in are guaranteed to bring a loss and the best strategy (even better than tracking the N range) would be to rent the exact opposite shifts only since they are the ones not guaranteed to result in a loss (in other words, only rent when the price is high).  Variance doesn't (or shouldn't) work that way.

The only caveat is this-- due to diff changes rewards cost more to obtain in the future than they cost today.  If my method gets positive variance then that is to my advantage, but the negative variance is harder to recover from.

That said, I would agree that this pool has an excellent record of 107% in the long run.  That can't be guaranteed to continue, but it is reasonably low risk to put in orders up to 0% (and maybe even +1%) instead of limiting to -2% as I have.  Above that seems very risky though.  That doesn't change the fact that my method should work just as well but with more variance in the rewards (and at less expense).  

....and another block just came in so all of the numbers I typed are invalid already...
legendary
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---- winter*juvia -----
Block!!

Will this be the day - we smash the 8 block record?
legendary
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Electrical engineer. Mining since 2014.
Wow what an overnight.  Love it. 

yeah and I hit on my other pool  which means about 5 coins for me

What pool?
He hit the block with mmpool.
It's a pool with pretty low total hash rate so I guess that is why Phil got a nice piece of that block reward
hero member
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Wow what an overnight.  Love it. 

yeah and I hit on my other pool  which means about 5 coins for me

What pool?
legendary
Activity: 1736
Merit: 1032
Carl, aka Sonny :)
I have about 50TH in real gear here also but I keep it separate from my rental account on purpose.  The rental will succeed or fail on it's own for me.  With the kano pool, I believe it will always succeed and it has so far but I think it is only because I keep the 5Nd steady.  I have never been able to time hot streaks well so I don't even try anymore.  If I keep my rental's 5Nd steady, it will earn what the kano pool earns...minus 3%.

Edit:  Now this all depends on the prices being at reasonable levels...if it ever got up into the 0.0040+ range consistently I will be done for.  So far I have been able to hover between 0.0029-0.0035 on a regular basis and it's working for me.  For the month of March in my account, the avg BTC/day/TH has been 0.00397270.  Life is good on kano!  Cool
legendary
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melancon is our longest running high hash rate miner.
He's had that hash rate since not all that long after the pool started.
Some people got the right idea along ago Cheesy
Yup...and I dearly wish I had kept that idea when I got it...but six blocks with my coffee is not too bad to wash away the regrets... Cool
legendary
Activity: 4354
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'The right to privacy matters'


It will be interesting to see how this works out since we have different strategies.

I'm now 99.2% (0.8% loss) on the rentals with 53.52% of rental shifts paid 5+ rewards.

Now, that said, my rentals did turn off 11 hours ago due to high prices (right about when the luck began here, actually).  They are gradually falling off the N range. Time will tell which side of the variance this gap falls on, since it is the future luck that will determine if it is good or bad to not be making up for the missing rental hash right now (it is equally possible for me to be lucky to not be renting during those shifts if we have a series of long blocks as it is possible for me to be unlucky and missing out on a continued block party).

yes and this is why your method is failing.  the pool gets hot and lots of people jump in bump you out of the hot streak.

I pay a slight premium on purpose for this pool only when I  rent  hash for mining  here.


but I also have real gear here always

philipma1957   19.00THs  this is the solar array

philipma1957second   60.32THs  this 10th real gear and 50th rental


so 29th of my total 79th is real gear and never moves

the rental I will drop off here and there.

 I have found if you time a hot streak well

I did this the last two hot streaks    the short monster streaks are never 7days long

3 to 4 days max.  so my rentals will taper off soon maybe sat.


so to further clearify my 'real' gear is:

 19th solar array =    my cost to run this is 0------- I provided all mining gear
   4th my friends office = my cost to run this is 0 -- I provided all mining gear
   6 th in house            = my cost to run this is 160 usd a month
So 29th using 6120 kwatts    at 160 usd cost  a month = 2.6 cent power    this is my edge
Once it gets to May 1

I will be 25th solar array at    0 power cost
I will be   4th friends office at 0 power cost

sr. member
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I opened a 35th rental Bringing my average up to 45th on one account and boom 6 blocks.

rental was .097 btc

rewards

.02689
.02664
.02597
.02547
.02511
.01987

0.14995 back

The last 100 Blocks (~1 month) is at 110.71% and my March rental is at 107.98% which accounts for the 3% that is the cost of NiceHash.  It does work if you keep it at your 5Nd at a steady basis.  I ran a 250THs rolling-rental (as wolfen liked to call it) to see how it would come out and I'm very happy with the experiment!  His idea was to roll everything you earn from the rental back into the rental to make it self-sustaining.  I did this and was able to get ahead to set some coin aside to help pay my hosted real steel hardware fees.  That was a huge plus as well.

Some are wondering out loud if the the rental hash is bad hash or even withholding...I can't say for sure but I did hit a kano block back on 3/15 so it does work properly sometimes.  Cheesy

Edit:  I'm sure if rentals cause problems kano will be on top of it!  And if we hit a bunch more blocks today my rental % will be even higher (and the kano 100 blocks % will be higher as well).  I will have no more rental expenses in March because I'm paid up through tomorrow...

It will be interesting to see how this works out since we have different strategies.

I'm now 99.2% (0.8% loss) on the rentals with 53.52% of rental shifts paid 5+ rewards.

Now, that said, my rentals did turn off 11 hours ago due to high prices (right about when the luck began here, actually).  They are gradually falling off the N range.  Time will tell which side of the variance this gap falls on, since it is the future luck that will determine if it is good or bad to not be making up for the missing rental hash right now (it is equally possible for me to be lucky to not be renting during those shifts if we have a series of long blocks as it is possible for me to be unlucky and missing out on a continued block party).
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