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tlhIlwI

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Quote from: -ck on March 19, 2016, 10:10:28 PM

Now that they have been noticed, they have been moving from pool to pool to try and be not noticed and appear to have no intention to try and fix the issue.

I hate bringing a topic back up from a couple days ago (and I really want this event to be behind us). There is one thing I don't understand though... why hide bad gear by moving it from pool to pool as you get caught? It seems more obvious for gear like this to "hide" in a rental service. The possibility of this kept me away from renting hash for a long time.

I've been closely tracking my rental activity versus rewards in a spreadsheet since I put some low orders on WestHash a couple weeks ago. As an experiment, I'm going to keep some orders at the same percentages below market for a couple months and then look at the data. I hope I don't discover an inverse correlation between low rental prices (which result in bursts of rentals here) and luck.

Crispyato

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When all your rigs have been steady until a lucky day then half go down and your like...hell yeah 5nd

Legacy2005

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6 blocks for the day. not to shabby. can we get 4 more before days end?

nice to see some green back in the list.

VRobb

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I'm in BTC XTC

Cheers melancon, getting us back on Block cracking track!! And enough about A-pool, they can go pound sand with their empty block bs... Tongue

clgrissom3

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Carl, aka Sonny :)

Block by melancon! That's makes an amazing total of 49 kano blocks for him!

clgrissom3

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Carl, aka Sonny :)

Quote from: hawkfish007 on March 22, 2016, 12:33:12 PM

Quote from: clgrissom3 on March 22, 2016, 12:27:26 PM

Quote from: hawkfish007 on March 22, 2016, 12:02:30 PM

I always see people are saying that antpool doesn't pay fees, but they do pay 25 full BTC to PPLNS miners. Here do we get ever get 25 BTC after paying .9% pool fees, even though this pool pays the transaction fees?

Let's say as an example both the kano pool and the apool both hit blocks that totals 25.59936054 (assuming the apool didn't just discard all of the fees Cheesy

)

For kano
25.59936054 - (25.59936054 * 0.009) = 25.36896630 What is paid to Kano CKPool miners (block 403784 so you can check the math)

For apool
25.59936054 - 0.59936054 = 25.00000000 What is paid to apool miners (dang, would you look at that! They kept 2.34% of that block)

That's true for fat blocks but when I see last 20 payouts, we do have some blocks with 24.8 BTC miner rewards.

Fair enough...so I did an average of all of my actual kano payouts and it came to 25.05388136. So for each payout I get here, it averages 0.05388136 higher than each payout I could get on the apool! (statistically speaking from my little universe of 300+ payouts)

hawkfish007

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Quote from: clgrissom3 on March 22, 2016, 12:27:26 PM

Quote from: hawkfish007 on March 22, 2016, 12:02:30 PM

I always see people are saying that antpool doesn't pay fees, but they do pay 25 full BTC to PPLNS miners. Here do we get ever get 25 BTC after paying .9% pool fees, even though this pool pays the transaction fees?

Let's say as an example both the kano pool and the apool both hit blocks that totals 25.59936054 (assuming the apool didn't just discard all of the fees Cheesy

)

For kano
25.59936054 - (25.59936054 * 0.009) = 25.36896630 What is paid to Kano CKPool miners (block 403784 so you can check the math)

For apool
25.59936054 - 0.59936054 = 25.00000000 What is paid to apool miners (dang, would you look at that! They kept 2.34% of that block)

That's true for fat blocks but when I see last 20 payouts, we do have some blocks with 24.8 BTC miner rewards.

clgrissom3

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Carl, aka Sonny :)

Quote from: hawkfish007 on March 22, 2016, 12:02:30 PM

I always see people are saying that antpool doesn't pay fees, but they do pay 25 full BTC to PPLNS miners. Here do we get ever get 25 BTC after paying .9% pool fees, even though this pool pays the transaction fees?

Let's say as an example the kano pool and the apool both hit blocks that totals 25.59936054 (assuming the apool didn't just discard all of the fees Cheesy

)

For kano
25.59936054 - (25.59936054 * 0.009) = 25.36896630 What is paid to Kano CKPool miners (block 403784 so you can check the math)

For apool
25.59936054 - 0.59936054 = 25.00000000 What is paid to apool miners (dang, would you look at that! They kept 2.34% of that block)

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Quote from: kano on March 21, 2016, 04:55:28 PM

Quote from: zOU on March 21, 2016, 02:31:26 PM

Kano,

Would it be possible to have more than 4 workers displayed on the shift graph (https://kano.is/index.php?k=usperf) ?

I know I can use wildcards, exemple .S5* will show a line representing the sum of all my workers starting with .S5

Yeah I only put 4 there coz of available space.
I could add another 4..59 below the graph - I set the absolute limit currently to 63 in the code.
Just have to pick 59 more colours that work together Tongue

OK, added 4 more random pastel colours below the graph.

Thank You Kano

Herv12

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Quote from: hawkfish007 on March 22, 2016, 12:02:30 PM

I always see people are saying that antpool doesn't pay fees, but they do pay 25 full BTC to PPLNS miners. Here do we get ever get 25 BTC after paying .9% pool fees, even though this pool pays the transaction fees?

Yes, but average block Fee are generally greater than 0.9%, so it's at least same or even slightly better on Kano than antpool.

kspare

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I guess what i'm hoping for, is to show that kano is the place to be, so others that are learning like I am don't have to try and figure it out on their own or go by here say. I'm just trying to gather some facts that hopefully are in favor of kano!

hawkfish007

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Quote from: Legacy2005 on March 22, 2016, 11:41:42 AM

Quote from: zOU on March 22, 2016, 11:32:13 AM

Quote from: kspare on March 22, 2016, 11:09:58 AM

Just a quick update of my test as my miners start to normalize here.

My 2 miners on antpool are doing approx .0470btc per 24 hours.
My 2 miners on ck are averaging 9.45THs and getting about .008BTC per block.

I need kano to find approx 5.875 blocks per 24 hour period to make what I make on antminer.

I've only been back on antmine for about 2 full days, and I was on ck for about a week.

We'll see if there is anymore normalization to be had after another week or so.

errr....

https://blockchain.info/pools

Antpool is 29% of total hasrate, Kano is 3%.
Antppol: 318.77 PH/s
kano.is: 32Ph/s

So of course you're going to make (on average) 10x more on antpool. (except that antpool has higher fees....)

But: do you trust them ? Do they inform you as transparently as kano regarding what happens ?
Are you sure you're getting your fair share of BTC ?

Not only that but 1 week or 24hrs is way to short of a time period to validate any kind of comparison. you need to do at least 6 months. variance/luck can and will impact results if looked at for such a short time.

plus anthole is a cesspool, they dont share btc fees and only think in the manner what can increase their bottom line. and o ya.. they mine empty blocks.

I always see people are saying that antpool doesn't pay fees, but they do pay 25 full BTC to PPLNS miners. Here do we get ever get 25 BTC after paying .9% pool fees, even though this pool pays the transaction fees?

Alehandros

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Quote from: kspare on March 22, 2016, 11:51:57 AM

I don't know yet. I'm doing this as an experiment for myself and to share what I learn.

I've got both depositing to separate wallets as well to see how that balances out.

I'm using PPLNS payouts on both pools....

it seems like antmine may payout more but it's REALLY early to see. I think I need to let it run like this for 2 weeks to let things balance out and see how it goes. can't really rush this lol

I *think* kano ahs the potential to pay out more, as long as luck is on their side, but antmine seems to be very flat with payouts. no more no less. kano can have lots of peaks and valleys. hence the need for an average.

Best I've personally *averaged* on Antpool is 0.03 BTC per day, don't know how you got more (0.038 BTC Personal Best)

Pains me to say it, but Antpool does have a nicer UI Sad

kspare

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I don't know yet. I'm doing this as an experiment for myself and to share what I learn.

I've got both depositing to separate wallets as well to see how that balances out.

I'm using PPLNS payouts on both pools....

it seems like antmine may payout more but it's REALLY early to see. I think I need to let it run like this for 2 weeks to let things balance out and see how it goes. can't really rush this lol

I *think* kano ahs the potential to pay out more, as long as luck is on their side, but antmine seems to be very flat with payouts. no more no less. kano can have lots of peaks and valleys. hence the need for an average.

Legacy2005

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Quote from: zOU on March 22, 2016, 11:32:13 AM

Quote from: kspare on March 22, 2016, 11:09:58 AM

Just a quick update of my test as my miners start to normalize here.

My 2 miners on antpool are doing approx .0470btc per 24 hours.
My 2 miners on ck are averaging 9.45THs and getting about .008BTC per block.

I need kano to find approx 5.875 blocks per 24 hour period to make what I make on antminer.

I've only been back on antmine for about 2 full days, and I was on ck for about a week.

We'll see if there is anymore normalization to be had after another week or so.

errr....

https://blockchain.info/pools

Antpool is 29% of total hasrate, Kano is 3%.
Antppol: 318.77 PH/s
kano.is: 32Ph/s

So of course you're going to make (on average) 10x more on antpool. (except that antpool has higher fees....)

But: do you trust them ? Do they inform you as transparently as kano regarding what happens ?
Are you sure you're getting your fair share of BTC ?

Not only that but 1 week or 24hrs is way to short of a time period to validate any kind of comparison. you need to do at least 6 months. variance/luck can and will impact results if looked at for such a short time.

plus anthole is a cesspool, they dont share btc fees and only think in the manner what can increase their bottom line. and o ya.. they mine empty blocks.

zOU

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Quote from: jonnybravo0311 on March 22, 2016, 11:34:46 AM

Quote from: zOU on March 22, 2016, 11:32:13 AM

So of course you're going to make (on average) 10x more on antpool. (except that antpool has higher fees....)

Ummm... that is completely incorrect. You absolutely, 100% do NOT make 10 times more on average on AntPool just because they have 10x the hash rate as kano.

right, you're absolutely correct, I'll rephrase, antpool is 10 times more likely to find a block.

so if you point the same hashrate to both pools, each block found on antpool will get you 10 time less (318Phs vs 30Phs total, so your shares have 1/10 of the value they have on kano), but as you're likely to find 10x more block, on average, with the same luck, you'll make exactly the same on both pool Wink

10x more payment, each payment 10x smaller on antpool than on kano.

Now if the total hasrate between the 2 pools was bigger than x10, being on antpool could make sense.... hashrate+payment wise.

my apologies for the post sent way too fast and absolutely incorrect.

This one may not be much better :p

Alehandros

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Quote from: kspare on March 22, 2016, 11:09:58 AM

Just a quick update of my test as my miners start to normalize here.

My 2 miners on antpool are doing approx .0470btc per 24 hours.
My 2 miners on ck are averaging 9.45THs and getting about .008BTC per block.

I need kano to find approx 5.875 blocks per 24 hour period to make what I make on antminer.

I've only been back on antmine for about 2 full days, and I was on ck for about a week.

We'll see if there is anymore normalization to be had after another week or so.

I run 2x Antminers and whilst I agree with your ck-pool stats (once your 5Nd is up to speed), the Antpool ones seem a little high

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Quote from: zOU on March 22, 2016, 11:32:13 AM

So of course you're going to make (on average) 10x more on antpool. (except that antpool has higher fees....)

Ummm... that is completely incorrect. You absolutely, 100% do NOT make 10 times more on average on AntPool just because they have 10x the hash rate as kano.

zOU

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Quote from: kspare on March 22, 2016, 11:09:58 AM

Just a quick update of my test as my miners start to normalize here.

My 2 miners on antpool are doing approx .0470btc per 24 hours.
My 2 miners on ck are averaging 9.45THs and getting about .008BTC per block.

I need kano to find approx 5.875 blocks per 24 hour period to make what I make on antminer.

I've only been back on antmine for about 2 full days, and I was on ck for about a week.

We'll see if there is anymore normalization to be had after another week or so.

errr....

https://blockchain.info/pools

Antpool is 29% of total hasrate, Kano is 3%.
Antppol: 318.77 PH/s
kano.is: 32Ph/s

So of course you're going to make (on average) ~~10x more~~ the same on antpool. (except that antpool has higher fees....) <<== edited this part to correct. see next page

But: do you trust them ? Do they inform you as transparently as kano regarding what happens ?
Are you sure you're getting your fair share of BTC ?

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Quote from: kano on March 22, 2016, 06:31:40 AM

Seems classic is trying the same thing? ... well, will have to wait and see, I'm not saying what will happen here at this point while everything is far from being decided.

Also, we're still only ~3% of bitcoin.
If we were 10% then indeed we'd need to be way more active in our dealing with where we are going.

On the bolded -- yeah, that's why I ask.

It seems very, very unlikely that either Bitfury or BTCC will ever support an adversarial client that forks from Core. So 3% may be enough to save us from the drama of Classic forking off without reaching agreement among miners (let alone users "upgrading" to the "new" network).

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