Wish I had read that link when you posted it earlier.
Thanks Kano.
EDIT: I'm finally understanding the 5N much better. Makes more sense now.
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December 16, 2015, 01:37:53 AM
December 16, 2015, 01:32:54 AM
With 9TH (2 S7 pointing for last 24 hrs). Earning after 24 hrs : 0.01886788 ?
My question remain same to get earning same as of PPS say f2pool ( 0.056 BTC) how may blocks need to find every day by considering 5PH as Pool power ?
What happens is that your shares are paid (currently) over the 4 days after you submit them.My question remain same to get earning same as of PPS say f2pool ( 0.056 BTC) how may blocks need to find every day by considering 5PH as Pool power ?
So it takes 4 days for each share to be fully paid after you submit the share.
That's the point of the explanation I added on the Help->Payouts page.
You wont lose anything if you stop mining, you wont gain exrta payment of past shares by mining more.
You will of course get more for the new shares though
The point of the 5Nd is to lower the variance paid per share.
Here:
https://kano.is/index.php?k=payout
Quote
PPLNS acts like the reward 'ramps up' when you first start mining.
What actually happens?
The 5Nd means it takes that long to reward your shares.
The ramp isn't missing rewards, it's delaying them to reduce variance.
Each share is rewarded in all the blocks found in the 5Nd after the share.
That's simply how it reduces variance. Each share's reward is averaged out over the 5Nd after it.
The pool hash rate for the last day is roughly 4.93PHs which means the 5Nd 'ramp' is roughly 3days.
What actually happens?
The 5Nd means it takes that long to reward your shares.
The ramp isn't missing rewards, it's delaying them to reduce variance.
Each share is rewarded in all the blocks found in the 5Nd after the share.
That's simply how it reduces variance. Each share's reward is averaged out over the 5Nd after it.
The pool hash rate for the last day is roughly 4.93PHs which means the 5Nd 'ramp' is roughly 3days.
Edit: oh looks like I better fix the calculation ...
3 days is wrong, it's 4 days
December 16, 2015, 01:31:35 AM
With 9TH (2 S7 pointing for last 24 hrs). Earning after 24 hrs : 0.01886788 ?
My question remain same to get earning same as of PPS say f2pool ( 0.056 BTC) how may blocks need to find every day by considering 5PH as Pool power ?
My question remain same to get earning same as of PPS say f2pool ( 0.056 BTC) how may blocks need to find every day by considering 5PH as Pool power ?
After reaching 5N, and the pool stays at 5PH, we need to find 1.27 blocks each day, approximately, at present difficulty.
December 16, 2015, 01:18:33 AM
With 9TH (2 S7 pointing for last 24 hrs). Earning after 24 hrs : 0.01886788 ?
My question remain same to get earning same as of PPS say f2pool ( 0.056 BTC) how may blocks need to find every day by considering 5PH as Pool power ?
My question remain same to get earning same as of PPS say f2pool ( 0.056 BTC) how may blocks need to find every day by considering 5PH as Pool power ?
December 16, 2015, 12:08:51 AM
always good to see blocks waking up from nap !
got a feelin' more to come. been long due !
blockies come this way
got a feelin' more to come. been long due !
blockies come this way
December 15, 2015, 11:49:38 PM
Thanks!
December 15, 2015, 11:30:14 PM
Block 388647!
How did you get notified so fast?
I always wonder about that, I get notified from my pool monitor, just curious what other people do?
I just happen to have blockchain.info open on one screen while I was watching episode 1 of The Expanse on big screen. Kano CKPool stands out in the list when it pops up because it has a longer name than those "other" pools that keep popping up.
That makes sense. I was pretty sure you posted before my monitor sent the email, so I was curious.
I finally checked out your monitor...it is pretty cool!
December 15, 2015, 11:08:14 PM
I have noticed that the sometimes the pools web page sees a block change before blocktrail or blockchain 
It always does The web page will show the block immediately after we get the share (before we know for sure it is a block).
That timestamp on my screen capture is when ckpool got the reply from bitcoind saying yep we're all good with this.
There's a timestamp just before it when ckpool gets the share and sends the block to bitcoind.
Like -ck shows in the solo thread:
Code:
[2015-12-16 13:53:46.122] Possible block solve diff 143491683333.400909 !
[2015-12-16 13:53:46.388] BLOCK ACCEPTED!
[2015-12-16 13:53:46.389] Solved and confirmed block 388647 by melancon_004
That's the 2 times (line 1 and line 3) when ckdb will know about it and at that point (line 1) ckdb will will show that on the web page.
Thus the ckdb console version of that was:
Code:
[2015-12-16 13:53:46.140+11] blocks_add(): BLOCK! Status: New, Block: 388647/...00007a994f429b96 Diff 143G UTC:2015-12-16 02:53:46.122628+00
[2015-12-16 13:53:46.141+11] BLOCK! ok Diff 181.4% (143491683333/79102380900.2) melancon_004 Pool 31432780935.0 31.4G 39.74%
[2015-12-16 13:53:46.408+11] blocks_add(): BLOCK! Status: 1-Confirm, Block: 388647/...00007a994f429b96 Diff 143G Reward: 25.205787,
Worker: melancon_004, ShareEst: 31433120584.0 31.4G 39.74% UTC:2015-12-16 02:53:46.389092+00
So yeah it took ckdb 18ms to know about it (and it would display it then on the web site)
The middle one is ckdb itself checking the diff value passed by ckpool
The 3rd line is when ckdb got the confirm from ckpool - 19ms
December 15, 2015, 11:00:23 PM
I grow my own avocados. 
Used to back in the Valley. Fer sure21 gun salute on that block
Just lost $20 on Bitcoin price
December 15, 2015, 10:59:31 PM
I grow my own avocados. They are available on github if anyone is interested.
They are available on github if anyone is interested. December 15, 2015, 10:57:53 PM
I tried plugging a network cable and 12v power supply into an avocado, but it did not produce any valid shares. 
Maybe I'll try again with a chicken!
Wrong voltage. Everyone knows avocados are 5V.Maybe I'll try again with a chicken!
December 15, 2015, 10:50:29 PM
I tried plugging a network cable and 12v power supply into an avocado, but it did not produce any valid shares.
Maybe I'll try again with a chicken!
Wrong voltage. Everyone knows avocados are 5V.Maybe I'll try again with a chicken!
December 15, 2015, 10:48:04 PM
I have noticed that the sometimes the pools web page sees a block change before blocktrail or blockchain
December 15, 2015, 10:47:53 PM
Block 388647!
How did you get notified so fast?
I always wonder about that, I get notified from my pool monitor, just curious what other people do?
If I don't see that, my desktop plays a tune within 20s
... sorta like pavlov's bell to me
Then my 2 mobiles and my iPad play a little twinkle noise, and usually last is the email notification popup I send to myself.
... oh and the pool wallet tray notification and a transaction popup also
LOL , you're one busy dude. Do you sleep?
December 15, 2015, 10:47:25 PM
Think he just needed more avocado! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yvJrCg7i-o 
Best Regards
d57heinz
Best Regards
d57heinz
I wasn't relying on the power of the avocado, I supplied it with 12v.
I think maybe the avocado needs to be shielded. Next time I'll try stuffing it in a chicken. Should the chicken be dead or alive?
December 15, 2015, 10:46:53 PM
I tried plugging a network cable and 12v power supply into an avocado, but it did not produce any valid shares.
Maybe I'll try again with a chicken!
Wrong voltage. Everyone knows avocados are 5V. Maybe I'll try again with a chicken!
December 15, 2015, 10:46:47 PM
keep em coming. more to come. winner chicken dinner. yum. almost reach 5dn
December 15, 2015, 10:46:14 PM
I've updated the Help->Payments page to add a new paragraph about the 'ramp' and it now includes a calculation for roughly how long 5Nd is.
https://kano.is/index.php?k=payout
+1 https://kano.is/index.php?k=payout
December 15, 2015, 10:44:25 PM
Think it's time to move another 2th over
December 15, 2015, 10:43:25 PM
Block 388647!
How did you get notified so fast?
I always wonder about that, I get notified from my pool monitor, just curious what other people do?
If I don't see that, my desktop plays a tune within 20s
... sorta like pavlov's bell to me
Then my 2 mobiles and my iPad play a little twinkle noise, and usually last is the email notification popup I send to myself.
... oh and the pool wallet tray notification and a transaction popup also
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