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Higher hash rate = faster ramp up.

If you could submit 5ND worth of shares in one day, your ramp would be one day.

The key is the last statement - ramp up is a function of shares submitted, and not time.

Time has only been a sticking point for the last block due to being both > 5Nd and crossing 2 diff increases.

Comparing to PPS pools, you're losing out on transaction fees. Compared to Slushpool - that has a  exponential ramp up set at 1.5 hours with a faster ramp down. I reckon most shares aren't even paid, looking at all those 3-5 hour block find times.

So far, only 3 days of shares have been missed in the past few months for Kano pool - this seems like a very good reason to continue mining here to me.
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I too am a grown man with a family and a career of my own. But I am also responsible for $60k in mining hardware. When I ask a question in a pool thread, in a pool I support, I expect both supportive and critical responses. Not wiseass remarks to mine elsewhere. Won’t feed the troll anymore..just clicked ignore.

In my instance, last I mined at Kano was 2015/16 and ramp up was a ton shorter back then.

Ramp is due to a few factors:

  • Difficulty
  • Hashrate
  • Pool Hashrate

All of these were much lower.

Higher hash rate = faster ramp up.

If you could submit 5ND worth of shares in one day, your ramp would be one day.
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I too am a grown man with a family and a career of my own. But I am also responsible for $60k in mining hardware. When I ask a question in a pool thread, in a pool I support, I expect both supportive and critical responses. Not wiseass remarks to mine elsewhere. Won’t feed the troll anymore..just clicked ignore.

If you have needs to be met and you have found a way to meet those needs, then go with that.

Rifleman just chooses to not be so elegant with his words. It's not that big of a deal to me, he's just one person. I'm also used to internet forums.

You met another need with that ignore button.  Grin

it's my understanding that a lot of things were different back then....and will be in the future  Cheesy
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I too am a grown man with a family and a career of my own. But I am also responsible for $60k in mining hardware. When I ask a question in a pool thread, in a pool I support, I expect both supportive and critical responses. Not wiseass remarks to mine elsewhere. Won’t feed the troll anymore..just clicked ignore.

In my instance, last I mined at Kano was 2015/16 and ramp up was a ton shorter back then.
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Rifleman seems to have noobs squarely in his sights. All he does on here all day is troll the forums and bash down potential new miners. Maybe he doesn't want to share the pie?

It was directed to rifleman who seems adamant that this isn’t the right pool for me and I should mine elsewhere...that tone towards potential miners is certainly detrimental to the growth of this pool.

I understand what you are saying and it may be true for some and may be not, but you don't really know that because you haven't been able to measure it. Would it be possible for you to just realize that is his personality and you know....brush it off?

I'm a noob and he seems harmless to me. I'm also a grown man.

Also, as new miners join the forums, they ask the same questions over and over. I realized my questions were not new as well. There are some questions that even veteran miners may not understand fully but have just been going with the flow of things, in which case it's good to bring them up.

The same ones over and over and the arguing that comes with it is what gets frustrating, so it's easy to be short and grumpy and point people to where they can find the answers.

However, what is increasingly annoying are those who DON'T mine here and continue their attempts to stear miners away from the pool (*cough cough* DPoS2).



Ive said it before and I'll say it again; THERE IS A REASON QUESTIONS ARE REPEATED.

It's because when you're asking people to give up an entire diff adjustment without a full reward(if a block is mined) then you better have clear instuctions on how shit works. The reason this thread is so "active" isn't because the community is that awesome, it's because new miners are told kanos pool rocks, but the website is near impossible to understand from a noob perspective. Combine that with people wanting to pay bills and you have a recipe for disaster. It is quite an easily remedied issue as well.

Add a ramp line to graph, make payout terms in plain speak, not math-nerd jargon, make the site nicer to look at. It should take a couple hours at most.

Cue rifleman saying mine at antpoo. Eat a dick man, youre so fucking rude.

Mining isn't armchair football. It's technical and it's the reason every single person out there isn't mining. If there's SO much support on all these other websites, why don't they have all the answers for everyone?

There is a lot to learn when you're jumping into this without a technical background. Some of us, like myself, are willing to learn as much as they can about this venture to get the best understanding and make the best decisions with continuing. It's not going to be a place where kids and grandmothers come to learn to mine and complain to tech support. If it's a technical question, you will get a technical answer. Some people want things broken down beyond basics and STILL don't get it. At that point, what do you expect from other miners in a forum who happen to mine on the same site? I think the problem is the expectation that Kano owes you something for choosing to mine here.

And let's just say Rifleman eats a dick....then what? We'll all have to live with that image. I can't imagine many new miners are going to enjoy seeing that. He's just going to tell you to go to Antpoo afterwards anyway and we will all have forgotten he ate a dick and you will have to prompt him to yet again. See the cycle that will create?   Shocked
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Rifleman seems to have noobs squarely in his sights. All he does on here all day is troll the forums and bash down potential new miners. Maybe he doesn't want to share the pie?

It was directed to rifleman who seems adamant that this isn’t the right pool for me and I should mine elsewhere...that tone towards potential miners is certainly detrimental to the growth of this pool.

I understand what you are saying and it may be true for some and may be not, but you don't really know that because you haven't been able to measure it. Would it be possible for you to just realize that is his personality and you know....brush it off?

I'm a noob and he seems harmless to me. I'm also a grown man.

Also, as new miners join the forums, they ask the same questions over and over. I realized my questions were not new as well. There are some questions that even veteran miners may not understand fully but have just been going with the flow of things, in which case it's good to bring them up.

The same ones over and over and the arguing that comes with it is what gets frustrating, so it's easy to be short and grumpy and point people to where they can find the answers.

However, what is increasingly annoying are those who DON'T mine here and continue their attempts to stear miners away from the pool (*cough cough* DPoS2).



Ive said it before and I'll say it again; THERE IS A REASON QUESTIONS ARE REPEATED.

It's because when you're asking people to give up an entire diff adjustment without a full reward(if a block is mined) then you better have clear instuctions on how shit works. The reason this thread is so "active" isn't because the community is that awesome, it's because new miners are told kanos pool rocks, but the website is near impossible to understand from a noob perspective. Combine that with people wanting to pay bills and you have a recipe for disaster. It is quite an easily remedied issue as well.

Add a ramp line to graph, make payout terms in plain speak, not math-nerd jargon, make the site nicer to look at. It should take a couple hours at most.

Cue rifleman saying mine at antpoo. Eat a dick man, youre so fucking rude.
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Rifleman seems to have noobs squarely in his sights. All he does on here all day is troll the forums and bash down potential new miners. Maybe he doesn't want to share the pie?

It was directed to rifleman who seems adamant that this isn’t the right pool for me and I should mine elsewhere...that tone towards potential miners is certainly detrimental to the growth of this pool.

I understand what you are saying and it may be true for some and may be not, but you don't really know that because you haven't been able to measure it. Would it be possible for you to just realize that is his personality and you know....brush it off?

I'm a noob and he seems harmless to me. I'm also a grown man.

Also, as new miners join the forums, they ask the same questions over and over. I realized my questions were not new as well. There are some questions that even veteran miners may not understand fully but have just been going with the flow of things, in which case it's good to bring them up.

The same ones over and over and the arguing that comes with it is what gets frustrating, so it's easy to be short and grumpy and point people to where they can find the answers.

However, what is increasingly annoying are those who DON'T mine here and continue their attempts to stear miners away from the pool (*cough cough* DPoS2).
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April 2017. 34PH and 61 blocks found. What a sweet month to have been here. Ironically after that the pool hashrate jumped pushing the blocks found into the 70’s for the next couple months. I couldn’t imagine hitting 2 blocks a day for a month straight.
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It was directed to rifleman who seems adamant that this isn’t the right pool for me and I should mine elsewhere...that tone towards potential miners is certainly detrimental to the growth of this pool.

Learn from my mistake and just do what I did not long ago. Just click on the "ignore" under his name and this will become a much nicer place for you. There are some people on every forum you just have to ignore.
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Rifleman seems to have noobs squarely in his sights. All he does on here all day is troll the forums and bash down potential new miners. Maybe he doesn't want to share the pie?

It was directed to rifleman who seems adamant that this isn’t the right pool for me and I should mine elsewhere...that tone towards potential miners is certainly detrimental to the growth of this pool.

I understand what you are saying and it may be true for some and may be not, but you don't really know that because you haven't been able to measure it. Would it be possible for you to just realize that is his personality and you know....brush it off?
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The ramp up time is a function of the 5ND. Its not some arbitrary variable that Kano sets.

Changing the 5ND is a BIG change, that would impact everyone. It would mean, on average, payouts for blocks would go down for everyone.



It's too easy to get caught up in the idea of "change" that you skip right over details like that.
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The ramp up time is a function of the 5ND. Its not some arbitrary variable that Kano sets.

Changing the 5ND is a BIG change, that would impact everyone. It would mean, on average, payouts for blocks would go down for everyone.

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It was directed to rifleman who seems adamant that this isn’t the right pool for me and I should mine elsewhere...that tone towards potential miners is certainly detrimental to the growth of this pool.

I understand what you are saying and it may be true for some and may be not, but you don't really know that because you haven't been able to measure it. Would it be possible for you to just realize that is his personality and you know....brush it off?
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I plan on bringing another 310th here by end of February/beginning of March. (Moving my data center 700 miles away). If all goes well another 700th come April/May. If the block finding frequency continues to diminish and the ramp time doesn’t change, then I may sadly have to point to one of the pools I despise.

That's a significant amount of hash. It would be great to add that to the pool as it MAY help the block frequency.

As a suggestion to your ramp ultimatum, maybe it would be worth considering a lower ramp for USERS who have been here, sort of like a grandfathering in, instead of a blanket ramp reduction. Just a thought, nothing more......however, if you're so willing to move your hash because of a streak of bad luck, you're pretty much fulfilling the exact scenario that is trying to be avoided with the ramp.
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It was directed to rifleman who seems adamant that this isn’t the right pool for me and I should mine elsewhere...that tone towards potential miners is certainly detrimental to the growth of this pool.
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Your abrasive tone does nothing but harm this pool you realize that right?

What? Why? Remarks like this are what makes others question you. If the incentive is money, why would anyone care what someone says in a forum? Get yourself together, let's get real here. There are no "safe spaces". One can easily mine with Kano without having to hang out in the forums and get offended.
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I plan on bringing another 310th here by end of February/beginning of March. (Moving my data center 700 miles away). If all goes well another 700th come April/May. If the block finding frequency continues to diminish and the ramp time doesn’t change, then I may sadly have to point to one of the pools I despise.
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Guys...not a noob here....my point is, pointed 50 terahashes at the pool when it was at 52ph, it is now in the mid 40s. Anyone with substantial hash has generators for backup as do I. The two week ramp up on major hash is killer as it takes away 25% of your earnings for the first month you mine. If one was to pull out of Kano they’d still get hash, I know that. It’s been that way for years. But what didn’t occur in years was only 1 block solve in half a months time. When you are not seeing the increase in hashrate and seeing an increase in round time, the only logical conclusion is to shorten ramp up/ramp down time. This does not incentivize anyone to point new hash here.

But you're here. What incentivized you? I had no incentives other than a recommendation and my own research into the pool. I don't see the point in incentivizing someone more than the small pool fee and community willing to help and answer questions. The amount of complaining is somewhat turning me off from the forum, but not the pool. If you want to incentivize people, quit discouraging them. I'm not saying you specifically, but there are others.

If all the posts are bitchy twats complaining about the blocks, then nobody is going to want to mine here. That's my take, though I've been wrong before.


What incentivized me? I personally have had Kano’s help in the past with my pool when it came to malicious miners and I am forever grateful for that. Of all the pool owners he seems to be the most honest/trustworthy and genuinely cares about the overall health of the network. I can not stand merge mining/high fees or the withholding of transaction fees to its miners. That brought me here. Not one complaint about luck/blocks etc just this ramp up ramp down is absurdly long.

For the record, I wasn't referring to you as a bitchy twat. I know your post was about the ramp, I was speaking in terms of those random bitchy twats complaining about the luck/blocks  Smiley

Just for the sake of conversation though, how much more hashrate are you comfortable with joining the pool? Also, if it's value others are seeking, I think you touched on some good points with what incentivizes you to mine here, no? Not everyone looks for value, I can understand that, but that's how markets works. Sooner or later people will either get fed up and search for alternatives for whatever reasons those may be.

Maybe finding the sweet spot on that ramp multiplier is the ticket.....maybe not. We don't know what incentivizes the top miners in this pool either. It may even be the simplicity......or the fact that the pool isn't so large.

To say that your ideas were "shot down" isn't much of a statement. I don't mean to sound like a dick, but ideas don't have much weight behind them unless they have a detailed plan to execute or some hardcore data behind it.

“Things are not always what they seem....."
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Your abrasive tone does nothing but harm this pool you realize that right?

haha (please don't take the chuckle wrong)... There are lots of differing cultures on this pool and everyone's *approach* is different as well... Really you just have to roll with it because some are always the same (that's not a good or a bad thing, it's just a thing).
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Looked last night/early this morning before it spiked back up.


Also it makes no difference whether hash is moved here incrementally or all at once. 14 days to get your full payout hash is a long long time when you have a bottom line you need to cover monthly.


Once again I said nothing about round difficulty...only ramp up time and the correlation to difficulty. I really find it comical that all you guys are telling me to study up on this. You going to defend this ramp up time until we find less than one block a month?

If you need to cover monthly, then this may not be the pool for you.  It's not going to change, just for you.

Good luck to you.

I really think this is the *point* most people get stuck with... And there is no way around it if you want to be on this pool.

As to the difficulty comment, what I meant was difficulty is always going to influence the *ease* at which a block is found.  it also took 2wks and 600% hashes to find the last one, if you joined right after we started, you'd have been ramped before we found it and would that also have been an issue because of the 2wks with no payout whatsoever?..... You have to scale both costs, revenue and unexpected losses for this game or else... well, you'll be short lived like so many others.

On the good news front, I just got word that another 22Th is on it way to me... yeah!  And did I say I like Th that has some of the best hash/watt Smiley... always a good thing
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