Topic: KanoPool kano.is lowest 0.9% fee 🐈 since 2014 - Worldwide - 2432 blocks - page 475. (Read 5352229 times)

1) Calculation

It's fairly simple - a more accurate calculation can be done from:

https://kano.is/index.php?k=shifts

Take the Avg Hs column for all the shifts that are paying out for the block.
My average is 106.2186.
The reward page says 106.14 - well within the margin of error for my rough calculation based on shifts.

2) Payments

As I explained previously, all shifts within the last 5Nd of a block found are taken into account.
Our expected block find rate is 100%, this means that each share will be accounted for 5 times.

If luck is better, you get rewarded more times per share. I've seen my shares getting rewarded 9 times during good times.
If luck is worse, you get rewarded less - or in the case of the last block, some shares weren't even counted for the reward.

3) Shift graph

Shift graph covers more than the 5Nd, so the value reported there is not your average for 5Nd for the block.

The 'Average' is the average of the whole graph.
All that 'zero' at the front of the graph pulls down the average.
The 5Nd average (that you are rewarded) is shown in Account->Rewards

The average is for the entire graph (red line), not just the 5nd. The entire graph is about 23-24 days.

how is the average incorrect?

The pink block is the 5Nd, you had ~70Th inside the pink area for less than 50% of it.

The fuzzy math says, there is your 32Th/s


Ignore the red line at 27 something, that is your average across the entire chart, not just the 5Nd

There is no guarantee of 4 payments. Could be 1 or could be 10, just depends on how lucky we are as a pool. But yes, they should increase until you have shares spead throughout the 5nd (The shaded red area on the graph).

https://i.imgur.com/4gn1TZ1.jpg

here is the shift graph that shows that the average is incorrect

Part of the problem was that it was an almost 600% block. Meaning that at 100% luck, we should have found almost 6 blocks. Had we been finding blocks at the 100%, you would have received a few smaller, but increasing payouts until you have shares across the whole 5nd. It sucks to be on that side of the variance, but it happens.

It reduces variance by spreading out the reward over a large number of shares. People hopping in and out, that are trying to capitalize on short term runs of luck, have little effect on the rewards of those of us that have been here mining all along. They are still rewarded for their work - like everyone else. But it's spread out over 5nd worth of shares. Any hash contributed would be rewarded proportionally for any blocks found during the 5nd. Unlike at Slush or another large pool, people notice when they haven't found a block for 3-4 hours and boom their hash rate goes crazy. Since it only takes about 1.5 hours to ramp up there.

Just make this easy on yourself... post the picture of your shift graph, that will tell all the story anyone needs to see what happened

problem is, if you look at my actual hashing rate, how was the 35th/s calculated? i can send more pics of the rest of the shares for the rest of the block, the average should have been at least double that. will the other 4 payments over the course of the next few blocks be greater than that first payment? is that just the average hash rate for the 1st 1/5th of the payments?

Looking at your screenshots, you've been mining with ~5 miners over that period for the 6-7 days before the pool found a block.

Back of my napkin math is:

5 * 7 days = 35 TH average

Yours shows 32.3TH which agrees within 10% of my very rough calculation.

You're not ramped up. So in the last 5ND shares, yours were only 32TH. Once you have more shares, when the pool looks at 5ND, you'll eventually get credit for all your TH.

https://i.imgur.com/9RhwwnW.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/8KUaPSP.jpg

Block   Block UTC   Miner Reward   N Diff   N Range   Pool N Avg   Your %   Your N Diff   Your N Avg   Your BTC
508425   9/Feb 20:11   12.44363511   14.378T   366hr 33m 46s   46.80PHs   0.07%   9.925G   32.30THs   0.00858980

however i pointed about 70th/s at the pool since then, and about 5 days in, increased my hash rate to about 87.

also, thank you for explaing the 5nd thing, that makes a little bit more sense but it still doesn't explain the extremely low payout.
I included the 2nd pic to show the start of my mining and the hashing rate. It wasn't exactly 10 days, it was less but the point remains and it seems off

I've been moving mine around since Kano hit 500% ... 106 TH is due to ramping down from 10 to 2 S9's over the 3.5 days above 500% (to pay electricity bills )

Math works out, since 5Nd is roughly 13.5 days:

10 days  * 10 S9 = 100 TH, 3.5 days * 2 S9 = 7 TH

Total = 107 TH

@nazzer ...did you point 8 of your 10xS9s (in your sig) at this pool?  104 TH would make sense for 8x S9s.  my 4xS9 payout was spot on half of yours.

The payout you received is not the end of things.  The shares you submitted will be paid approximately 5 times with future blocks if they fall into the expected range.

How do the PPLNS payments work?

The 5Nd means the pool rewards 5 times the expected number of shares each time a block is found.  So each share will be paid approximately 1/5 of it's expected value in each block it gets a reward, but each share is also expected, on average, to be rewarded 5 times in blocks found after the share is submitted to the pool.

So, on the 1st block the pool hits when you start on Kano you get rewarded 1/5 of the value of the shares you submitted for that block.  On the 2nd block the pool hits you get 1/5 of the value of the shares you submitted for the 2nd block plus 1/5 of the value of the shares you submitted for the 1st block.  On the 3rd block the pool hits you get 1/5 of the value of the shares you submitted for the 3rd block plus 1/5 of the value of the shares you submitted for the 2nd block plus 1/5 of the value of the shares you submitted for the 1st block and on and on like that until all of the value of the shares are paid.  That's also how you would continue to get payouts for the 5Nd ramp down period after you leave this pool.

EDIT:  No one has stolen anything from you.  It's all about how patient you are...if you relax and play the long game you will get all that you earned and then you will realize how this pool pays more than any other pool out there. 

Why don't you post the screenshot of:

https://kano.is/index.php?k=mpayouts

Mine is:

Block   Block UTC   Miner Reward   N Diff   N Range   Pool N Avg   Your %   Your N Diff   Your N Avg   Your BTC
508425   9/Feb 20:11   12.44363511   14.378T   366hr 33m 46s   46.80PHs   0.23%   32.610G   106.14THs   0.02822319



If you want to, share your shifts and shift graph too

https://kano.is/index.php?k=shifts
https://kano.is/index.php?k=usperf

edit:

https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/tx/85ab0954c11d91526cf5601a0c81f3aa3a383f572a372f1dc737e10b59ba32d0
This does show there is indeed a transaction for to 1GzxYjFNXUZ7SwCkcbPKdTqVcFeWD7fYLv for 0.00858980
So it looks like you pointed 10 miners for 1 day or 1 miner for 10 days to Kano for this address.
Take a look at the payouts page - let us know.

Sometimes when something doesn't make sense it could be because you don't understand what is going on. Take 5 minutes and calm down. You really think that Kano would have the reputation it did if what you state is true? You know better.

Goto the Account > Rewards page to see how much you get.

You can also total all the rows in the shifts page, but that could change if we get another block, since those shares would be paid again.

With 90 th/s, fully ramped up, you'd of got around .024 BTC or maybe a little less.

and all that makes sense if I only had 1 s9. I have average 90th/s and all i got was 0.00086 for 10 days? Wtf?

edit: does nobody see why I'm pissed? This is literally a waste of time on kano if this is all im going to get. Seriously, wtf. Thats why I am asking because this doesn't seem right. What am i not understanding?

Really need a facepalm emoji.