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legendary
Activity: 3586
Merit: 1099
Think for yourself
This is not what we are asking.  We received a payment, or waiting for the 101 confirmations.  If we continue to mine until the next block is found 100% of the time, will we be paid the same as today for this block today

If you have not yet reached your 5Nd, which means have shares in ALL open shifts, then the next block you should be closer to populating shares in more shifts so your next payout should be larger.  When you have all open shifts populated with shares and maintain that level you will get full payouts which should be roughly equal to and maybe higher than Pay Per Share, depending on luck.  When you stop mining you continue to receive payouts when a block is found on the ramp down until all open shifts are empty.
jr. member
Activity: 196
Merit: 4
I’m still new but this is how I think you can estimate your fully ramped daily payout from this payout assuming we average 100% luck going forward, which is a block every 3.3 days.

(Payout this block)*(16.5)/(days you’ve mined in the past 16.5 days)/3.3

Make sure you count your days mined as exact as possible through to when this last block was found last night.

Caveat, I am not sure if this formula works if this has been your second or more block since starting here, but I think it would.

This is your payout will be after mining 16.5 days. The difference between what you got and your calculated max you will eventually get later when you stop mining here. But just don’t stop.



We understand that if you didn't mine from immediately after a block was found that you only get a portion for the time that was actually mined, Ie, 9 of the 16.5 days or whatever it is.   This is not what we are asking.  We received a payment, or waiting for the 101 confirmations.  If we continue to mine until the next block is found 100% of the time, will we be paid the same as today for this block today, on the next block find  PLUS whatever the payout will be for that second block, IE are we getting only 20 % now of this block rewarded today, and then when 5 blocks are found and we mined for the entire duration as those 5 were found, we would be getting paid the last 1/5 of this block today, when the 5th block has been found.  That's all we ask, I get it that better than 100% luck or less will affect it a little bit.

Please If you can explain it without bringing up some other calculation like the amount of days mined and a way to figure it out, then don't.  The math and explanation should be really simple, its just when its not being explained in a clear concise way, it confuses people more.  That is why so many people are asking, but the last bunch of posts have been more confusing than the  HELP > Payouts page  :-)


newbie
Activity: 43
Merit: 0
I’m still new but this is how I think you can estimate your fully ramped daily payout from this payout assuming we average 100% luck going forward, which is a block every 3.3 days.

(Payout this block)*(16.5)/(days you’ve mined in the past 16.5 days)/3.3

Make sure you count your days mined as exact as possible through to when this last block was found last night.

Caveat, I am not sure if this formula works if this has been your second or more block since starting here, but I think it would.

This is your payout will be after mining 16.5 days. The difference between what you got and your calculated max you will eventually get later when you stop mining here. But just don’t stop.

member
Activity: 84
Merit: 10
So could someone explain me this for Dummy´s?

Block   Block UTC   Miner Reward   N Diff   N Range   Pool N Avg   Your %   Your N Diff   Your N Avg   Your BTC
500096   19/Dec 08:02   16.86483522   9.379T   431hr 40m 3s   25.92PHs   0.07%   6.821G   18.85THs   0.01226437

Will I get another payout?
5 x 0,01226437 ?

member
Activity: 210
Merit: 15
I don´t get it, sorry Sad
It´s too high for me...

500096   19/Dec 08:02   16.86483522   9.379T   431hr 40m 3s   25.92PHs   0.07%   6.821G   18.85THs   0.01226437


Kano Pool Does it again. That is a BIG FAT BLOCK!!! MINE ON!!
member
Activity: 84
Merit: 10
I don´t get it, sorry Sad
It´s too high for me...

500096   19/Dec 08:02   16.86483522   9.379T   431hr 40m 3s   25.92PHs   0.07%   6.821G   18.85THs   0.01226437
jr. member
Activity: 196
Merit: 4
I hate to beat the dead horse...  But I am wondering when I see this line

BLOCK    BLOCK UTC      MINER REWARD   N DIFF  N RANGE        POOL N AVG   YOUR %    YOUR N DIFF   YOUR N AVG   YOUR BTC
500096  19/Dec 08:02   16.86483522       9.379T 431hr 40m 3s  25.92PHs         0.03%     2.411G            6.66THs         0.00433448


So I see that .00433448 as a payment in the payments.
When I do the math .03%  (.0003 x 16.71305170302) I get   0.005013915510906      ( the 16.71305170302 was after the .9% for Kano)

So I have two questions, 1. Why is my math different?  2.  If this is my payment for this block after it is confirmed for this time, am I to expect the same amount 4 more times as payments included with then next found blocks ( Hopefully 1 more today! :-)

ie, a total of 5x .00433448 = .0216724 ?    Still wonder why I get the slightly higher amount when I do the math.

I know its been asked a million times but I have never seen a real word example, and hopefully someone else can benefit when its shown with real numbers.

FYI This was with 1 S9 14TH/s from Sunday Dec 10 until Dec 19 When this block was found.

Thanks!



If I'm not mistaken, the YOUR % number in the rewards page is roundup, the actual number should be lower. That's why you are getting a slighty higher amount in your calculation.



Ahh  The good ol Excel issue where it didn't have enough decimal positions so it rounded.   So its like .029?Huh?  something I guess. Ok,   Maybe Kano could add another couple decimal places in that field?

I am still confused about the 5Nd thing, I read it I understand it, but I cant comprehend it I guess.  Best I can figure is that I will get a total of 5 payments like the one I will get today, and only when the next block is found I get another 1/5 of this first block reward...  Or did I miss it all together.   I can see why people shy away from this :-)   I was never good at math... I just know how to plug in the S9 and configure it.... then wait for the Cha-ching!
jr. member
Activity: 35
Merit: 2
I hate to beat the dead horse...  But I am wondering when I see this line

BLOCK    BLOCK UTC      MINER REWARD   N DIFF  N RANGE        POOL N AVG   YOUR %    YOUR N DIFF   YOUR N AVG   YOUR BTC
500096  19/Dec 08:02   16.86483522       9.379T 431hr 40m 3s  25.92PHs         0.03%     2.411G            6.66THs         0.00433448


So I see that .00433448 as a payment in the payments.
When I do the math .03%  (.0003 x 16.71305170302) I get   0.005013915510906      ( the 16.71305170302 was after the .9% for Kano)

So I have two questions, 1. Why is my math different?  2.  If this is my payment for this block after it is confirmed for this time, am I to expect the same amount 4 more times as payments included with then next found blocks ( Hopefully 1 more today! :-)

ie, a total of 5x .00433448 = .0216724 ?    Still wonder why I get the slightly higher amount when I do the math.

I know its been asked a million times but I have never seen a real word example, and hopefully someone else can benefit when its shown with real numbers.

FYI This was with 1 S9 14TH/s from Sunday Dec 10 until Dec 19 When this block was found.

Thanks!



If I'm not mistaken, the YOUR % number in the rewards page is roundup, the actual number should be lower. That's why you are getting a slighty higher amount in your calculation.

newbie
Activity: 53
Merit: 0
@mimk97

HELP -> PAYOUTS from Kano.is

Quote
PPLNS acts like the reward 'ramps up' when you first start mining. What actually happens?

The 5Nd means it takes that long to reward your shares.
The ramp isn't missing rewards, it's delaying them to reduce variance.
Each share is rewarded in all the blocks found in the 5Nd after the share.
That's simply how it reduces variance. Each share's reward is averaged out over the 5Nd after it.

AerialGopher, see above.

Also, look at the column in your post that says YOUR N AVG.  You still have a few more days for 5nd.

edit: add calculator link: http://tradebtc.net/bitcalc.php
jr. member
Activity: 196
Merit: 4
I hate to beat the dead horse...  But I am wondering when I see this line

BLOCK    BLOCK UTC      MINER REWARD   N DIFF  N RANGE        POOL N AVG   YOUR %    YOUR N DIFF   YOUR N AVG   YOUR BTC
500096  19/Dec 08:02   16.86483522       9.379T 431hr 40m 3s  25.92PHs         0.03%     2.411G            6.66THs         0.00433448


So I see that .00433448 as a payment in the payments.
When I do the math .03%  (.0003 x 16.71305170302) I get   0.005013915510906      ( the 16.71305170302 was after the .9% for Kano)

So I have two questions, 1. Why is my math different?  2.  If this is my payment for this block after it is confirmed for this time, am I to expect the same amount 4 more times as payments included with then next found blocks ( Hopefully 1 more today! :-)

ie, a total of 5x .00433448 = .0216724 ?    Still wonder why I get the slightly higher amount when I do the math.

I know its been asked a million times but I have never seen a real word example, and hopefully someone else can benefit when its shown with real numbers.

FYI This was with 1 S9 14TH/s from Sunday Dec 10 until Dec 19 When this block was found.

Thanks!

jr. member
Activity: 35
Merit: 2
@mimk97

HELP -> PAYOUTS from Kano.is

Quote
PPLNS acts like the reward 'ramps up' when you first start mining. What actually happens?

The 5Nd means it takes that long to reward your shares.
The ramp isn't missing rewards, it's delaying them to reduce variance.
Each share is rewarded in all the blocks found in the 5Nd after the share.
That's simply how it reduces variance. Each share's reward is averaged out over the 5Nd after it.
newbie
Activity: 53
Merit: 0
Yes,
i mean 10. December

But i do not get it what is meant with this 5Nd Ramp???

Means it if i will run my Miner now until next Block found, i will get more Profit?

From my understanding and experience, yes you will see increased rewards.
member
Activity: 84
Merit: 10
Yes,
i mean 10. December

But i do not get it what is meant with this 5Nd Ramp???

Means it if i will run my Miner now until next Block found, i will get more Profit?

On Slushpool i got 0.00229078 BTC since yesterday for one S9
jr. member
Activity: 35
Merit: 2
Have 3xS9 running since 10.12.
Now I got only 0.01226437 BTC as Reward.
Why so less???

I forgot something?

you started from october 12 to dec 19 and only got 0.01226437 BTC? that is almost 50 days, there where 43 payouts, that is a bit small, is this normal?

10.12 = December 10th (By the way, the DD/MM/YYYY format is used by 57% population of the world. MM/DD/YYYY just about the 6%. Source: Wikipedia)

He is halfway the ramp up period, reward is correct.
newbie
Activity: 53
Merit: 0
Have 3xS9 running since 10.12.
Now I got only 0.01226437 BTC as Reward.
Why so less???

I forgot something?

you started from october 12 to dec 19 and only got 0.01226437 BTC? that is almost 50 days, there where 43 payouts, that is a bit small, is this normal?

my assumption is that he means December 10th.

Many places put the day of the month before the actual month in the date, i.e. today is 19.12.2017
newbie
Activity: 61
Merit: 0
Have 3xS9 running since 10.12.
Now I got only 0.01226437 BTC as Reward.
Why so less???

I forgot something?

you started from october 12 to dec 19 and only got 0.01226437 BTC? that is almost 50 days, there where 43 payouts, that is a bit small, is this normal?
legendary
Activity: 4634
Merit: 1851
Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
Have 3xS9 running since 10.12.
Now I got only 0.01226437 BTC as Reward.
Why so less???

I forgot something?
You probably forgot the 5Nd Smiley

Your shares are reward for the 5Nd after you submit them, so they wont get all their reward immediately.

If you look at the Rewards page it will tell you the block's 5Nd range (431hr 40m 3s = ~18 days) and what your average hash rate was over that ~18 days.
e.g. if you mined for only 9 days, then you'd get about half.

Everything keeps getting paid, so it's not like you lost the other half, it's just that the shares get reward for 5Nd from when you submit them, (usually) multiple times, expected on average 5 times if luck is 100%.

I do not get it Sad

regarding WhattoMine i should earn about. 0.00543 with 3xS9 per day. That means in 10 Days about 0,053BTC
One S9 I had switched to Slushpool yesterday and another one 5 Min before Block was found today.

Could you explain this for Dummy´s, please....
Try Help->Payouts
member
Activity: 84
Merit: 10
Have 3xS9 running since 10.12.
Now I got only 0.01226437 BTC as Reward.
Why so less???

I forgot something?
You probably forgot the 5Nd Smiley

Your shares are reward for the 5Nd after you submit them, so they wont get all their reward immediately.

If you look at the Rewards page it will tell you the block's 5Nd range (431hr 40m 3s = ~18 days) and what your average hash rate was over that ~18 days.
e.g. if you mined for only 9 days, then you'd get about half.

Everything keeps getting paid, so it's not like you lost the other half, it's just that the shares get reward for 5Nd from when you submit them, (usually) multiple times, expected on average 5 times if luck is 100%.

I do not get it Sad

regarding WhattoMine i should earn about. 0.00543 with 3xS9 per day. That means in 10 Days about 0,053BTC
One S9 I had switched to Slushpool yesterday and another one 5 Min before Block was found today.

Could you explain this for Dummy´s, please....
legendary
Activity: 4634
Merit: 1851
Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
Have 3xS9 running since 10.12.
Now I got only 0.01226437 BTC as Reward.
Why so less???

I forgot something?
You probably forgot the 5Nd Smiley

Your shares are reward for the 5Nd after you submit them, so they wont get all their reward immediately.

If you look at the Rewards page it will tell you the block's 5Nd range (431hr 40m 3s = ~18 days) and what your average hash rate was over that ~18 days.
e.g. if you mined for only 9 days, then you'd get about half.

Everything keeps getting paid, so it's not like you lost the other half, it's just that the shares get reward for 5Nd from when you submit them, (usually) multiple times, expected on average 5 times if luck is 100%.
newbie
Activity: 47
Merit: 0
Have 3xS9 running since 10.12.
Now I got only 0.01226437 BTC as Reward.
Why so less???

I forgot something?

In case the pool was lucky, we could have about 3 blocks in the same time period instead of 1. (thus 3 times this profit)
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