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full member
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This is not making a whole lot of sense to express the revenue in $ per day.
It should only be considered as an indicator.
You can only count in $ per day for your reward if you exchange your coins everyday for $.
Which is most probably not what the majority of people is doing.

What you are earning in terms of btc today can be 14$ at today's exchange rate but be worth 12$ or 200$ tomorrow, but if you did not exchange the coins it is worth the btc amount that's it!

$ value should only be considered once coins are sold and in your bank account.

Stop looking at daily value and think long term or sell your gear, stop mining and do only trading if you want daily $.

I made the choice to mine almost 3 years ago and very happy with it!

You are right.
But if we can pay our hardware like that.
Always same amount in BTC and not change when BTC/USD change, it's will be perfect.
The problem is the mining hardware cost in USD, so if you want to calcul profit you must do in USD.
It's same with immovable, you don't buy building, and calcul your profit in people or anything else Cheesy


I have a good price for S9 and L3+, i hesitate....
Or D3 maybe.

But i think, S9 is the more reliable at long term.
sr. member
Activity: 393
Merit: 250
911 IT Admin. I keep 911 up so you get help ASAP!
Well I have not purchased from Canaan and or ran their hardware, but this is what I like about Bitmain. You can get on a list to be notified of release data.

So, for my pool buddies:

We are pleased to inform you that we will release a new batch of the Antminer S9 here at 11AM tomorrow (21 September, GMT+8)!
This new batch, too, delivers a hash rate of 14TH/s and an efficiency of 0.098J/GH. Because of the high demand and the manufacturing period, shipping for this batch will start on a “first paid, first ship” basis, after 1 December 2017. If we advance the shipment, we will notify you.

So yeah heard it hear first, because I just got this email. If you want an S9, I suggest you get one while you can.
newbie
Activity: 2
Merit: 0
It wasn't advise, just wanted to explain why hashpower is switching from btc to bcc. Short term profit on bcc is beter.
If you mine at viabtc it is even an option. The pool automatically points your hash to the most profitable coin.

Personally happy mining at kano.
legendary
Activity: 1540
Merit: 1001
@ mdude   do you think ramp and ramp down is punishing you?

or do you just dislike kano?

or is it another reason  for saying ramp up ramp down is a punishment.

Neither #1 nor #2.  Why would you think such?

First of all I still don't have any mining hardware.  3 weeks since I ordered from Canaan and they still haven't provided a way to pay.  I'm beginning to wonder if they are any better than Bitmain.  At least Bitmain tells you when it'll be shipped and you know you are "pre-ordering".

Second, I'm certainly not a pool hopper.  Even if I had hardware, I still wouldn't hop!

Third, my understanding was the reason these fancy payment systems were devised was to prevent pool hoppers from abusing pools.  If it doesn't do that, what's the point?  It certainly seems to only cause confusion.  Furthermore, there wouldn't be any "dust" from being those who come and go, since currently there are no "dust" payments.  (Granted, I have spent a little more than zero time, and not much more than that, trying to understand PPLNS ... the "why" was more important to me, and clearly I got that wrong.)

M
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Activity: 204
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This is not making a whole lot of sense to express the revenue in $ per day.
It should only be considered as an indicator.
You can only count in $ per day for your reward if you exchange your coins everyday for $.
Which is most probably not what the majority of people is doing.

What you are earning in terms of btc today can be 14$ at today's exchange rate but be worth 12$ or 200$ tomorrow, but if you did not exchange the coins it is worth the btc amount that's it!

$ value should only be considered once coins are sold and in your bank account.

Stop looking at daily value and think long term or sell your gear, stop mining and do only trading if you want daily $.

I made the choice to mine almost 3 years ago and very happy with it!
legendary
Activity: 3586
Merit: 1099
Think for yourself
viabtc calculator 13.5 th > $12,45 btc a day
bcc does  $14.32

So what.  I don't really care about what an altcoin does.  Maybe post in the altcoin section?
legendary
Activity: 4634
Merit: 1851
Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
I don't know why pool hopping should be favorable.

It sucks.
Well it's not favourable, nor is it penalised.
It has no expected effect on your reward, other than e.g. if you mine half the time, you expect half the reward, etc.
It simply increases your variance.
full member
Activity: 162
Merit: 100
And  our diff is dropping  as I type.

the gray line  is way down.  due to pressure from  BCC/BCH

Get used to big swings until BCC/BCH  fades away.




ViaBTC reverse their half hashrate to BCC instead BTC.

So difficulity will be changed soon right ?



Difficulty is adjusting every 14 days with BTC, so no it will not bee soon. But on BCC there is other technics in place to reduce difficulty quicker if hashrate drops.

OK.
So with this difficulty and our hashrate, i think the end of month will be worth... It's not a good period for BTC.
I hope i am wrong...

Don't know for BCC, but profit seems to be high since yesterday.
legendary
Activity: 2506
Merit: 1714
Electrical engineer. Mining since 2014.
I don't know why pool hopping should be favorable.

It sucks.
legendary
Activity: 4354
Merit: 9201
'The right to privacy matters'
Maybe some CK solos will get impatient waiting for a block now and jump in the pool with us?   Cheesy

The whole point of the PPLNS here is to penalize pool hoppers.
M

You are not penalized for pool hopping with PPLNS.  You will get paid for every share you submit.  The ramp up and the trail off before you start mining and after you stop mining will take time.  But that is different from being penalized.

That's being penalized in my book. Smiley
M
For the typical impatient ADHD-like attention span of altcoin miners ya. Takes them too long to see results so they move along before too much damage is done though in all fairness yes it does speed up finding blocks for the rest of us.

Not sure if Profit-switching algos like used in Awesome Miner factor in ramp up/down time. I don't mine alts and since EMC shut down a few years back have no reason to leave here so never even looked at that part of Awesome. Safe bet it can also track 'pool profitability' along with the various coins themselves.

 @ not fuzzy

 is profit switching for btc-bcc  f'ing up  things as i type.  or is it making our wealth grow?




  

@ mdude   do you think ramp and ramp down is punishing you?

or do you just dislike kano?

or is it another reason  for saying ramp up ramp down is a punishment.
legendary
Activity: 3822
Merit: 2703
Evil beware: We have waffles!
Maybe some CK solos will get impatient waiting for a block now and jump in the pool with us?   Cheesy

The whole point of the PPLNS here is to penalize pool hoppers.
M

You are not penalized for pool hopping with PPLNS.  You will get paid for every share you submit.  The ramp up and the trail off before you start mining and after you stop mining will take time.  But that is different from being penalized.

That's being penalized in my book. Smiley
M
For the typical impatient ADHD-like attention span of altcoin miners ya. Takes them too long to see results so they move along before too much damage is done though in all fairness yes it does speed up finding blocks for the rest of us.

Not sure if Profit-switching algos like used in Awesome Miner factor in ramp up/down time. I don't mine alts and since EMC shut down a few years back have no reason to leave here so never even looked at that part of Awesome. Safe bet it can also track 'pool profitability' along with the various coins themselves.
legendary
Activity: 4354
Merit: 9201
'The right to privacy matters'
Maybe some CK solos will get impatient waiting for a block now and jump in the pool with us?   Cheesy

The whole point of the PPLNS here is to penalize pool hoppers.

M

You are not penalized for pool hopping with PPLNS.  You will get paid for every share you submit.  The ramp up and the trail off before you start mining and after you stop mining will take time.  But that is different from being penalized.

That's being penalized in my book. Smiley

M
No it doesn't penalise pool hoppers.

Looking at it at the micro level, a share is rewarded the same way no matter if you hop or not.
When you mine, after you submit a share, has no effect on each share you submit.

The 'ramp up' and 'ramp down' is just the side effect of delaying rewarding shares to reduce variance.
It works exactly the same for long term miners as it does for hoppers.

Since later shares found have no effect on how a single share is rewarded, there is no penalty.


say

I am 123  4  321

123 as I ramp up to my true  4     then  321 once I leave.

it is a good method.

some pools screw you if you leave the pool.  which is not good if you were a big miner on the pool and you system crashes the pool hits a block and f you as it thinks you left the pool.

I won't mine on pools that do that.
legendary
Activity: 1540
Merit: 1001
No it doesn't penalise pool hoppers.

Looking at it at the micro level, a share is rewarded the same way no matter if you hop or not.
When you mine, after you submit a share, has no effect on each share you submit.

The 'ramp up' and 'ramp down' is just the side effect of delaying rewarding shares to reduce variance.
It works exactly the same for long term miners as it does for hoppers.

Since later shares found have no effect on how a single share is rewarded, there is no penalty.

Thanks for the education.  I learned something!

M
legendary
Activity: 4634
Merit: 1851
Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
Maybe some CK solos will get impatient waiting for a block now and jump in the pool with us?   Cheesy

The whole point of the PPLNS here is to penalize pool hoppers.

M

You are not penalized for pool hopping with PPLNS.  You will get paid for every share you submit.  The ramp up and the trail off before you start mining and after you stop mining will take time.  But that is different from being penalized.

That's being penalized in my book. Smiley

M
No it doesn't penalise pool hoppers.

Looking at it at the micro level, a share is rewarded the same way no matter if you hop or not.
When you mine, after you submit a share, has no effect on each share you submit.

The 'ramp up' and 'ramp down' is just the side effect of delaying rewarding shares to reduce variance.
It works exactly the same for long term miners as it does for hoppers.

Since later shares found have no effect on how a single share is rewarded, there is no penalty.
legendary
Activity: 3586
Merit: 1099
Think for yourself
Maybe some CK solos will get impatient waiting for a block now and jump in the pool with us?   Cheesy

The whole point of the PPLNS here is to penalize pool hoppers.

M

You are not penalized for pool hopping with PPLNS.  You will get paid for every share you submit.  The ramp up and the trail off before you start mining and after you stop mining will take time.  But that is different from being penalized.

That's being penalized in my book. Smiley

M

Being penalized in my book is not being paid for shares you submit.  That is not happening. Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1540
Merit: 1001
Maybe some CK solos will get impatient waiting for a block now and jump in the pool with us?   Cheesy

The whole point of the PPLNS here is to penalize pool hoppers.

M

You are not penalized for pool hopping with PPLNS.  You will get paid for every share you submit.  The ramp up and the trail off before you start mining and after you stop mining will take time.  But that is different from being penalized.

That's being penalized in my book. Smiley

M
full member
Activity: 204
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And  our diff is dropping  as I type.

the gray line  is way down.  due to pressure from  BCC/BCH

Get used to big swings until BCC/BCH  fades away.




ViaBTC reverse their half hashrate to BCC instead BTC.

So difficulity will be changed soon right ?



Difficulty is adjusting every 14 days with BTC, so no it will not bee soon. But on BCC there is other technics in place to reduce difficulty quicker if hashrate drops.
legendary
Activity: 3586
Merit: 1099
Think for yourself
Maybe some CK solos will get impatient waiting for a block now and jump in the pool with us?   Cheesy

The whole point of the PPLNS here is to penalize pool hoppers.

M

You are not penalized for pool hopping with PPLNS.  You will get paid for every share you submit.  The ramp up and the trail off before you start mining and after you stop mining will take time.  But that is different from being penalized.
sr. member
Activity: 393
Merit: 250
911 IT Admin. I keep 911 up so you get help ASAP!
Maybe some CK solos will get impatient waiting for a block now and jump in the pool with us?   Cheesy

I threw my Antrouter on that pool. Better than feeding it's master.
legendary
Activity: 1540
Merit: 1001
Maybe some CK solos will get impatient waiting for a block now and jump in the pool with us?   Cheesy

The whole point of the PPLNS here is to penalize pool hoppers.

M
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