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Quote from: J. J. Phillips on May 07, 2015, 02:22:02 PM

Geller's actions were a REACTION against violent jihad.

You could argue that jihad is a reaction against western (and Israel's) foreign policies towards oil rich countries in the middle east (not that it can used for justify nutcases like ISIS). Even the former MI5 chief admits the Iraq invasion increased the terrorist threat to the UK.

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“Arguably we gave Osama bin Laden his Iraqi jihad so that he was able to move into Iraq in a way that he was not before.”
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I don't see the logic behind this. How could jihad be a response to anything the west has done of Shariah has been around for so long?

Yeah Sharia has been around for hundreds of years, wasn't until the last decade or so that 'jihad' has become so prominent. Not saying western intervention created it but it's certainly been a catalyst. Some of the leaders of ISIS were tortured in Abu Ghraib so I can't see how you couldn't come to that sort of conclusion.

Back when the taliban was fighting the soviets is when lot's of these guys were given american weaponry and it's been a revolving door ever since. Give them the tools and then occupy their sacred areas and before ya know it they go on offense against you. It's a great tool for the military industrial complex to keep the money flowing as well as the trial and error for developing newer and advanced weapons.

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Well, ultimately the need for jihad dates back to the pagans in Mecca rejecting Muhammed's message. If no one had ever rejected Muhammed's perfect message, then the world would be at peace. (I'm trying to decide if this requires an /s tag.)

I would understand that you were sarcastic just because I've seen your posts and know your beliefs about the topic (your image/sig/description help too). But hey, If somehow I thought that you were a Muslim, what you said would sound pretty realistic.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

I know that some Muslims call their religion the religion of peace, but haven't heard of them doing anything to prevent violence within the religion.

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Quote from: alani123 on May 07, 2015, 02:11:26 PM

Geller's actions were a REACTION against violent jihad.

You could argue that jihad is a reaction against western (and Israel's) foreign policies towards oil rich countries in the middle east (not that it can used for justify nutcases like ISIS). Even the former MI5 chief admits the Iraq invasion increased the terrorist threat to the UK.

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“Arguably we gave Osama bin Laden his Iraqi jihad so that he was able to move into Iraq in a way that he was not before.”
Baroness Manningham-Buller

I don't see the logic behind this. How could jihad be a response to anything the west has done of Shariah has been around for so long?

Yeah Sharia has been around for hundreds of years, wasn't until the last decade or so that 'jihad' has become so prominent. Not saying western intervention created it but it's certainly been a catalyst. Some of the leaders of ISIS were tortured in Abu Ghraib so I can't see how you couldn't come to that sort of conclusion.

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Quote from: alani123 on May 07, 2015, 02:11:26 PM

Geller's actions were a REACTION against violent jihad.

You could argue that jihad is a reaction against western (and Israel's) foreign policies towards oil rich countries in the middle east (not that it can used for justify nutcases like ISIS). Even the former MI5 chief admits the Iraq invasion increased the terrorist threat to the UK.

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“Arguably we gave Osama bin Laden his Iraqi jihad so that he was able to move into Iraq in a way that he was not before.”
Baroness Manningham-Buller

NO, you could not. This is all about cartoons.

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Islam and Nazism are belief systems, not races.

Geller's actions were a REACTION against violent jihad.

You could argue that jihad is a reaction against western (and Israel's) foreign policies towards oil rich countries in the middle east (not that it can used for justify nutcases like ISIS). Even the former MI5 chief admits the Iraq invasion increased the terrorist threat to the UK.

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“Arguably we gave Osama bin Laden his Iraqi jihad so that he was able to move into Iraq in a way that he was not before.”
Baroness Manningham-Buller

I don't see the logic behind this. How could jihad be a response to anything the west has done of Shariah has been around for so long?

Well, ultimately the need for jihad dates back to the pagans in Mecca rejecting Muhammed's message. If no one had ever rejected Muhammed's perfect message, then the world would be at peace. (I'm trying to decide if this requires an /s tag.)

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Geller's actions were a REACTION against violent jihad.

You could argue that jihad is a reaction against western (and Israel's) foreign policies towards oil rich countries in the middle east (not that it can used for justify nutcases like ISIS). Even the former MI5 chief admits the Iraq invasion increased the terrorist threat to the UK.

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“Arguably we gave Osama bin Laden his Iraqi jihad so that he was able to move into Iraq in a way that he was not before.”
Baroness Manningham-Buller

I don't see the logic behind this. How could jihad be a response to anything the west has done of Shariah has been around for so long?

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Quote from: J. J. Phillips on May 06, 2015, 11:27:35 AM

Geller's actions were a REACTION against violent jihad.

You could argue that jihad is a reaction against western (and Israel's) foreign policies towards oil rich countries in the middle east (not that it can used for justify nutcases like ISIS). Even the former MI5 chief admits the Iraq invasion increased the terrorist threat to the UK.

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“Arguably we gave Osama bin Laden his Iraqi jihad so that he was able to move into Iraq in a way that he was not before.”
Baroness Manningham-Buller

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Freedom of speech.

It's more like freedom of preach, trash like Geller are just stiring up hatred under the guise of 'freedom'.

Maybe Pamela should ask the Palestinians in Gaza what freedoms they have, I'm sure it would be an interesting conversation.

I think you're stirring up more hatred than she is. Maybe someone should shut you up.

Once there was a Danish cartoonist who got a Fatwa.
Then there was a French cartoon that so offended Muslims that 17 of the cartoonists were killed.
Then there was a Pamela Geller who was associated with a "Draw the Jihader" contest.
Then there were a couple Muslim gunmen who didn't succeed with their little Allah Akbar.
Then there were people criticizing Geller.

Really? This is confusing cause and effect, isn't it? When you criticize Geller you ignore the chain of causality completely.

Geller's actions were a REACTION against violent jihad.

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Not for nothing, and I'm going to refrain from posting any of my views on Islam and Judaism, but this is exactly the type of speech that needs to be protected. And this is one of the reasons why so many filthy, ignorant immigrants flock to the United States. We can call Muhammed a filthy cunt or tell the Jews to get over the fucking holocaust already without fear of government reprisal. Well, mostly.

Now I'd like to see a similar thing come from the Muslims, i.e., a propaganda message about Jews just ready to be slapped up on a NYC subway car. Nothing like taking middle eastern problems and spreading the negativity all over this great country. Thanks, Jews. Thanks, Islam.

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Islam and Nazism are belief systems, not races.

Freedom of speech.

It's more like freedom of preach, trash like Geller are just stiring up hatred under the guise of 'freedom'.

Maybe Pamela should ask the Palestinians in Gaza what freedoms they have, I'm sure it would be an interesting conversation.

How is freedom of speech in Graytown, OH?

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Islam and Nazism are belief systems, not races.

Freedom of speech.

It's more like freedom of preach, trash like Geller are just stiring up hatred under the guise of 'freedom'.

Maybe Pamela should ask the Palestinians in Gaza what freedoms they have, I'm sure it would be an interesting conversation.

I think you're stirring up more hatred than she is. Maybe someone should shut you up.

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Freedom of speech.

It's more like freedom of preach, trash like Geller are just stiring up hatred under the guise of 'freedom'.

Maybe Pamela should ask the Palestinians in Gaza what freedoms they have, I'm sure it would be an interesting conversation.

Sorry, I am not seeing any logical connection between your two sentences.

Freedom of speech is absolutely the freedom to say unpopular things. If I point out just what the definition is, then, well, you are either for it or against it.

But please don't say you are for it if it's subjects you approve of.

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