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I'm an atheist and also have not "an interest", but a definite respect for Judaism.  Seems there'd be no Christianity without it, and no Islam, either, and no Judeo-Christian western culture.

Some people around here really need to get off the hate bus.

0-100 real quick 

Seems like you're feeling pretty guilty to rant off like that 

I bet we would all get along in real life also. 

The funny thing is several people I recently met there have their own misinformation. They would say things they thought western Christians believed. When you tried to get to the source it was always a quote by some crazy preacher.

But he said "All Christians must kill Muslims to go to heaven"! "That is what they believe in America! Oh boy Kahled, where to start. 

Thanks for the response. It's clarifying and I don't find anything to disagree with in it.

I suppose I don't have a great definition of one. Jihad just means to "struggle". Some Muslims think that being a defense lawyer or social activist is Jihadism. Others mean armed, violent struggle. That is more what I think of.
I first met armed Jihadists in the Balkans. The Serbs were rounding up and executing Bosnian Muslims. Europe and America stood around doing nothing for a long time and the only people who came to fight were Jihadists. You could see the change. Initially the Muslims there drank vodka while eating a ham sandwich. As time went on they started growing their beards and acting the part.  I am an atheist and would not have joined in, but I could understand them.

Even a group as ridiculous as dasch is understandable. The kids who join are often escaping despotic governments and poverty. They are told that they can restore the glory of the Caliphate and gain the respect they deserve. For many of these people religion is the only legitimate power they have ever known.

When they arrive reality sets in. They quickly see that it's just Muslims killing Muslims over oil fields and money. No God, no glory, just murder and power.

 So who is a real jihadist? They all think they are. Since God is part of the equation and remains silent... I don't know?

I agree the region is complex, and often oversimplified to fit narratives. And Muslims as people are fine, as long as they're either ignorant of their religion or they at least don't take it seriously. It's when they start reading about it and trying to follow the example of Muhammed that they're intolerant and lethal.

As for "real jihadists" I'm curious:

Are members of Hamas "real jihadists"?

Are suicide bombers* "real jihadists"? *I'm thinking of the series of suicide bombings in Israel before the barrier was erected.

Are those who fire rockets into Israel "real jihadists"?

Maybe you have a stricter definition of jihadist than me. I'd say if someone is killing (or trying to kill) in the name of Islam, they're a real jihadi.

Some are my friends and I'm not afraid of anyone. I have fought real jihadists on three continents. They are weak and must rely on terror to scare people because they are powerless to actually threaten people.

But thinking "they" are some kind of cohesive group is to show ignorance of the complexity of the region. These are the same people you meet in Europe, America, everywhere. Some are cool, some are idiots, but in general I find the Muslims there to be kinder than most people I meet around the world.

By the way, if you ever end up as the star of one of those hostage beheading videos, I'll make sure to tell everyone not to feel bad. They were your friends.

Also, I can't remember Judaism (as a religion) ever coming up in this thread. Islam has been discussed a little, since Islam teaches about both the subject of Jihad and the related subject of killing Jews.

It's fine with me if you want to live there and be friends with them. Watch your throat though.

I don't believe there is such a thing as "international law." We obviously disagree about this.

I find it odd that the "apartheid state" is the one with both Jews and non-Jews and the future Palestinian state will be Judenrein.

Heh. I think you're suggesting I'm a sneaky, lying Jew. So sneaky and lying that I claim not to be a Jew in order to Jew you into not doubting my defense of Jews. That's some pretty deep Jew-hatred there. Do you imagine me doing all this while stroking the Jew gold around my neck? And then do you imagine that's not the real Jew gold, but the fake Jew gold I use to Jew non-Jews?

You wont see them quote a Jihadist saying "Israel is stealing land against all international law". Even though this is the ONLY argument I heard when in Palestine. Why? Because it is true, indefensible, and does not fit the Israeli governments story about how unreasonable the Palestinians are.  

Call it what you want but Israel is an apartheid state and feels America owes it something. It is time to turn the clock and start making some new friends in the Mid-East.

No, I can say that it's been hacked, in reality my name is Squirrel, and I have no idea where the 650K went . Actually I can say everything what I want. One of the blessings of the Internet.

For being an atheist, you sure have an interest in Judaism. 

Well, no Jew-hatred indicated there!


You're the one buying into lies about the Jews. Lies about Jews have often infected the weak-minded. Just consider seeking some help for your problem.


It's not only Jews who hate Nazis.

Hahaha, yes, poor innocent Jews! Always being picked on and killed for no reason whatsoever!


What's disturbing is why you are buying into Jewish lies as if your life depended on it...


Why so much hatred, when you're not even a Jew?

LOL...

Well, you have to admit, having a name Snail....

You have the right to do that. If I think that your conclusion isn't right and I care to set it right then I'll inform you about my "real" identity and intentions .

And from your online name and other Significant Evidence I conclude you are actually a talking snail, bred in laboratories of China for testing out Internet Control Methods.

Thanks for answering. People have made this assumption a lot since I started defending Israel/Jews in the many, many threads popping up to hate on Israel/Jews. For months I just ignored it because I don't have a problem if people think I'm a Jew. (For the record: I'm not. I'm a Canadian Atheist. My ancestral ethnic background, like many "New Worlders" is who-the-fuck-knows and it's-not-important-to-me.)

Isn't it disturbing though that someone can be automatically assumed to be a Jew simply because they're against Jews being demonized, Jews being hated, Jews being killed? Or against Israel being attacked or destroyed?

Let's analyze the two pieces of evidence you pointed to that suggest I'm a Jew. My signature:


Note that this is a post focused on Jihadis killing Jews. All my chosen examples are from France because it provides the best examples in Europe at the moment. For someone to read this and think it's evidence that I'm a Jew is strange. Do you think most of the people who have a problem with Jews being killed are Jews themselves? If so, maybe you're right. Show me some statistics. It would be very sad if that turned out to be the case. I don't think it was true 20 years ago. I don't think non-Jews went to see Schindler's List to enjoy seeing Jews get killed. Maybe today most people would. If so, I think that supports my human extermination project.

Point 3: If someone opposes Jews being openly targetted and killed, that's not an indication that this person is themselves a Jew.

Maybe I'm really wrong on these points in today's society. Maybe things have devolved so far back into the 1930s that the vast majority (over 90%) of non-Jews would never defend a Jew, even with words.