Topic: KnCMiner Openday Wednesday 5th & Monday 10th June - page 47. (Read 91301 times)

Waiting for Pluto (smaller footprint, runs cooler).

it looks great, but they MUST set competitive price for it. if it is 24fpga miner (so I expect around 3GH/s, because web description is 48fpga/6GH), nice price mark should be around 1000$ without any vouchers and with included VAT. shipping in 2 weeks max.

1* power consumption of this miner will be really huge, if you compare it with upcoming ASIC based miners
2* there is a lot of guys, which are now selling their FPGA stuff, because need money/BTC for ASIC chips

only 5000$ if you buy the Mars first...

for a 350gh/s miner using Avalon Chip will costs you $11,850 and this is only asic chip, but here you get them for $7000?? is it possible? Avalon and Butterfly is already delivering and yet this is risky. Knc has not deliver anything yet so is even more risky. Avalon promise 8 weeks chip delivery which should be anytime now. To wait for 2 months from the day we make payment is tolerable but my goodness not for 4 months or 5 months.

Picture of their Mars prototype on the knc homepage. Er, seems to only have 24 fpga's in it though....

And no matter the quantity, how are they getting over 50% off these chips. I'm highly suspecting a pump and dump long con.

The questions are on the list but they still don't answer the relevant ones (like ETA for the FPGA chips, for ex., which is *quite* important)

I was just checking the part availability for the Cyclone IV E 11K 484FBGA (EP4CE115F23C8N) at oemstrade.com and it is very low. So, if they need to fulfill the Mars orders, they would have a TON of chips on hand (why not say so?) or they buy direct from Altera, which means probably longer delivery times (even longer since they don't seem to have the money to buy them without the preorders).

edit: ETA not on the questions list, but asked directly to Sam Cole.

It's each man.

No, prices are not the same!

Lancelots are $350/pcs (if >10pcs $300/pcs) or $269/pcs for group manufacturing, 400(382)Mhash/s and 26.5Watt

KNC Mars is 6Ghash/s and ?Watt

So, simple math: 1 KNC Mars (?Watt) ($2795) = 15 Lancelots (~400Watt) ($4500/$4035)

KNC Mars is a better deal

You do realize the package on that website comes with 60 chips for $315, not $315 per chip...

I will.

Please keep us updated, we have to make a quick decision like you said and your feeling will mean a lot to me.

You are mistaken. As soon as they open the payment process, you will be able to pay for Mars, Jupiter or Saturn - and at that point there will be no prototypes for Jupiter or Saturn.

Au contraire, they said that they will have a working prototype of Mars before/during the payment process. Likely scenario:

- They open payment on a Monday (next one perhaps?)
- They do the Open Day in which they show you the FPGA during the same week (on Wednesday?)
- You have time to pay for 7 days since they open the order book, thus till the following Monday. If you do not pay in that timeframe, you lose your queue spot.

Summing up, you have two options:

1) play on the "safe" side and buy a Mars that you know exists, and that you will receive shortly after payment. You will then keep your spot on the queue, but will have the possibility to pay for the ASICs later on (and with a $2,000 discount), hopefully when a working prototype is available.

2) take a leap of faith and pay for the ASICs as soon as they open the order book, skipping the FPGA - obviously you are keeping your queue spot.

Option 1) is safer, as you can delay the payment for Jupiter/Saturn until there is more proof that the ASICs exist. Nevertheless, the FPGA is overpriced in terms of GH/$, even taking into account that you are entitled for a discount on the ASICs. Your risk here is spending $2,800 + VAT for a 6GHs unit hoping to get an ASIC that may never arrive.

Option 2) is definitely more cost effective, as you are not spending $2,800 (VAT excluded) for a 6 GH/s FPGA that will use quite a lot of power too. Your risk here is paying $7,000 + VAT for a 350 GH/s ASIC miner that may never arrive.

My personal point of view:

I will visit them, and I will make a lot of questions. If they seem to have the ASIC project "on track", and it's feasible to have the delivery in September as promised, I will buy Jupiter/s. If they do not seem to have the ASIC project already "on track" (they'd need to have the chips on production to be able to delivery in September), I will order nothing.

I'm quite sure I will skip the FPGA in any case.

Economies of scale, over 400 chips ordered price drops significantly. We've been through this before...

Something is wrong I think