KnCMiner selling raw chips for $.15 / GH

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Quote from: OZR on December 05, 2014, 09:19:51 AM

Chip datasheet is exist? Or more readable pins image. Huh

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Quote from: dance191 on August 24, 2014, 10:56:05 PM

What is the bottom line? MrTeal (or someone who has done this before), what would it cost to get this going? What is the final product going to cost?

Bottom line is that it would cost $5,400 to get the process started, and it's hard to say what the final cost would be since until you spend the $5,400 KnC will not release any information on their system.

KnC's canned response has been order the hardware, and they'll share the datasheet.

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Chip datasheet is exist? Or more readable pins image. Huh

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Quote from: dogie on August 27, 2014, 04:14:55 AM

Quote from: MrTeal on August 25, 2014, 12:21:35 AM

Quote from: dance191 on August 25, 2014, 12:01:29 AM

Quote from: MrTeal on August 24, 2014, 11:33:05 PM

Quote from: dance191 on August 24, 2014, 10:56:05 PM

What is the bottom line? MrTeal (or someone who has done this before), what would it cost to get this going? What is the final product going to cost?

Bottom line is that it would cost $5,400 to get the process started, and it's hard to say what the final cost would be since until you spend the $5,400 KnC will not release any information on their system.

Hmmm.... It sounds a little tricky... What do you think, if you had the chips in your hand, what would your guess be as to how long until there is a finished product ready to mine? What would the ballpark cost be for the finished product? Is it not really possible to know as there is not enough info?

All I know that $.15 / GH/s really caught my attention. For me, I don't care about electrical costs, the cost per GH/s is basically all I care about.

Probably somewhere in the range of $1/GH/s or so, though it would be lower if you did a large volume. Leadtime really depends on what they release. It could be a couple months if the documentation is sparse and they're hard to get a hold of.

Then why won't people let this thread die? Power consumption is 2x the market, price to build is estimated at 50% over TODAY'S price and lead time could be 8-10 weeks out.

And where is the fun in that Wink

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Quote from: MrTeal on August 25, 2014, 12:21:35 AM

Quote from: dance191 on August 25, 2014, 12:01:29 AM

Quote from: MrTeal on August 24, 2014, 11:33:05 PM

Quote from: dance191 on August 24, 2014, 10:56:05 PM

What is the bottom line? MrTeal (or someone who has done this before), what would it cost to get this going? What is the final product going to cost?

Bottom line is that it would cost $5,400 to get the process started, and it's hard to say what the final cost would be since until you spend the $5,400 KnC will not release any information on their system.

Hmmm.... It sounds a little tricky... What do you think, if you had the chips in your hand, what would your guess be as to how long until there is a finished product ready to mine? What would the ballpark cost be for the finished product? Is it not really possible to know as there is not enough info?

All I know that $.15 / GH/s really caught my attention. For me, I don't care about electrical costs, the cost per GH/s is basically all I care about.

Probably somewhere in the range of $1/GH/s or so, though it would be lower if you did a large volume. Leadtime really depends on what they release. It could be a couple months if the documentation is sparse and they're hard to get a hold of.

Then why won't people let this thread die? Power consumption is 2x the market, price to build is estimated at 50% over TODAY'S price and lead time could be 8-10 weeks out.

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Quote from: Beastlymac on August 27, 2014, 02:57:02 AM

I have opened a thread looking for expressions of interest for a community driven project for ordering KNC chips. The chips will come with a $4 addition per chip above what KNC are selling them for but this is so that chips can be given for FREE to developers such as MrTeal and others who are willing to design boards for these chips. The group buy will use an escrow system i am currently looking for a reputable escrow provider for this. I welcome feedback in the thread. I feel that these chips could be great value if boards can be designed for them.

Thread is here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/knc-miner-bare-chips-community-projectgroup-buy-758408

I'm not looking to acquire the chips themselves, but would be interested in adding funds to acquire the chips for the potential development of a rig(s)/group buy mini pool (could be about 40TH??)
Just a suggestion, but something like a minimum of 10 shares (2BTC each) and a maximum of 40 shares (0.5BTC each) with a cap per investor of 2 BTC.
The developer (MrTeal?) would get 10% of the final hashrate of anything that gets produced (if at all).
The caveat would be, that anyone investing does so on the basis that they are investing what they are willing to lose.
For me, this is still a much more attractive proposition than all pre-orders I've been involved in.

Anyway, just a suggestion, could be a pretty interesting project for the right person

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I have opened a thread looking for expressions of interest for a community driven project for ordering KNC chips. The chips will come with a $4 addition per chip above what KNC are selling them for but this is so that chips can be given for FREE to developers such as MrTeal and others who are willing to design boards for these chips. The group buy will use an escrow system i am currently looking for a reputable escrow provider for this. I welcome feedback in the thread. I feel that these chips could be great value if boards can be designed for them.

Thread is here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/knc-miner-bare-chips-community-projectgroup-buy-758408

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Quote from: bizzyb on August 26, 2014, 11:28:35 AM

Quote from: MrTeal on August 25, 2014, 12:21:35 AM

Quote from: dance191 on August 25, 2014, 12:01:29 AM

Quote from: MrTeal on August 24, 2014, 11:33:05 PM

Quote from: dance191 on August 24, 2014, 10:56:05 PM

What is the bottom line? MrTeal (or someone who has done this before), what would it cost to get this going? What is the final product going to cost?

Bottom line is that it would cost $5,400 to get the process started, and it's hard to say what the final cost would be since until you spend the $5,400 KnC will not release any information on their system.

Hmmm.... It sounds a little tricky... What do you think, if you had the chips in your hand, what would your guess be as to how long until there is a finished product ready to mine? What would the ballpark cost be for the finished product? Is it not really possible to know as there is not enough info?

All I know that $.15 / GH/s really caught my attention. For me, I don't care about electrical costs, the cost per GH/s is basically all I care about.

Probably somewhere in the range of $1/GH/s or so, though it would be lower if you did a large volume. Leadtime really depends on what they release. It could be a couple months if the documentation is sparse and they're hard to get a hold of.

Would you be willing/want to head up a group buy for this?
Say a minimum buy in of 0.5BTC per share, to get a 20BTC fund to purchase 200 of these chips and start the research process?

I for one would find this a very attractive proposition, far more than any other pre-order I've ever been involved with.

If anyone wants to get involved does so on the basis that "I invest what I am willing to lose", is this something you would be willing to take on?

i'd be up for it cuz 'Teal all the way!!!!

to post the docs they send with chips would be the only stipulation, since they said they would release them and have gone back on that.

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Quote from: MrTeal on August 25, 2014, 12:21:35 AM

Quote from: dance191 on August 25, 2014, 12:01:29 AM

Quote from: MrTeal on August 24, 2014, 11:33:05 PM

Quote from: dance191 on August 24, 2014, 10:56:05 PM

What is the bottom line? MrTeal (or someone who has done this before), what would it cost to get this going? What is the final product going to cost?

Bottom line is that it would cost $5,400 to get the process started, and it's hard to say what the final cost would be since until you spend the $5,400 KnC will not release any information on their system.

Hmmm.... It sounds a little tricky... What do you think, if you had the chips in your hand, what would your guess be as to how long until there is a finished product ready to mine? What would the ballpark cost be for the finished product? Is it not really possible to know as there is not enough info?

All I know that $.15 / GH/s really caught my attention. For me, I don't care about electrical costs, the cost per GH/s is basically all I care about.

Probably somewhere in the range of $1/GH/s or so, though it would be lower if you did a large volume. Leadtime really depends on what they release. It could be a couple months if the documentation is sparse and they're hard to get a hold of.

Would you be willing/want to head up a group buy for this?
Say a minimum buy in of 0.5BTC per share, to get a 20BTC fund to purchase 200 of these chips and start the research process?

I for one would find this a very attractive proposition, far more than any other pre-order I've ever been involved with.

If anyone wants to get involved does so on the basis that "I invest what I am willing to lose", is this something you would be willing to take on?

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Quote from: dropt on August 25, 2014, 10:12:37 AM

Quote from: GAW_Taylan on August 25, 2014, 08:19:54 AM

That 30% of partly unusable cores should be scary to any buyer. So if you make a $5400 investment, technically you run the risk of having at least $1620 worth of bad chips.

In a practical sense it's only 10% that the end-user needs to be concerned about. >90% of the chips allege to be >97% functional. As for the remaining 10%, 'bad' is relative. They likely still work, just not as well as the others.

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Quote from: GAW_Taylan on August 25, 2014, 08:19:54 AM

That 30% of partly unusable cores should be scary to any buyer. So if you make a $5400 investment, technically you run the risk of having at least $1620 worth of bad chips.

In a practical sense it's only 10% that the end-user needs to be concerned about. >90% of the chips allege to be >97% functional. As for the remaining 10%, 'bad' is relative. They likely still work, just not as well as the others.

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Quote from: wonko on August 17, 2014, 01:42:29 PM

Have you guys seen this? https://www.kncminer.com/products/knc-28nm-sha256-processor

I'm surprised there is not a group buy up for it yet. They're selling the chips for dirt cheap. The only thing I don't like is they're not supplying the documentation before the purchase, I emailed them to see if I could get the documentation ahead of time.

Seems like the perfect chip for an open-sourced board/solution

Found at the bottom of page.

* Due to yield rate the number of usable cores varies. Statistically at least 70% of our production at this level has contained chips with 100% usable cores, and up to 90% of all the chips have 187 or more usable cores, with the rest of the chips varying below that number.

That 30% of partly unusable cores should be scary to any buyer. So if you make a $5400 investment, technically you run the risk of having at least $1620 worth of bad chips.

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Quote from: MrTeal on August 25, 2014, 12:21:35 AM

Quote from: dance191 on August 25, 2014, 12:01:29 AM

Quote from: MrTeal on August 24, 2014, 11:33:05 PM

Quote from: dance191 on August 24, 2014, 10:56:05 PM

What is the bottom line? MrTeal (or someone who has done this before), what would it cost to get this going? What is the final product going to cost?

Bottom line is that it would cost $5,400 to get the process started, and it's hard to say what the final cost would be since until you spend the $5,400 KnC will not release any information on their system.

Hmmm.... It sounds a little tricky... What do you think, if you had the chips in your hand, what would your guess be as to how long until there is a finished product ready to mine? What would the ballpark cost be for the finished product? Is it not really possible to know as there is not enough info?

All I know that $.15 / GH/s really caught my attention. For me, I don't care about electrical costs, the cost per GH/s is basically all I care about.

Probably somewhere in the range of $1/GH/s or so, though it would be lower if you did a large volume. Leadtime really depends on what they release. It could be a couple months if the documentation is sparse and they're hard to get a hold of.

How low can it go? Say with 200 chips, 1,000 chips, 10,000 chips? What is possible?

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Quote from: dance191 on August 25, 2014, 12:01:29 AM

Quote from: MrTeal on August 24, 2014, 11:33:05 PM

Quote from: dance191 on August 24, 2014, 10:56:05 PM

What is the bottom line? MrTeal (or someone who has done this before), what would it cost to get this going? What is the final product going to cost?

Bottom line is that it would cost $5,400 to get the process started, and it's hard to say what the final cost would be since until you spend the $5,400 KnC will not release any information on their system.

Hmmm.... It sounds a little tricky... What do you think, if you had the chips in your hand, what would your guess be as to how long until there is a finished product ready to mine? What would the ballpark cost be for the finished product? Is it not really possible to know as there is not enough info?

All I know that $.15 / GH/s really caught my attention. For me, I don't care about electrical costs, the cost per GH/s is basically all I care about.

Probably somewhere in the range of $1/GH/s or so, though it would be lower if you did a large volume. Leadtime really depends on what they release. It could be a couple months if the documentation is sparse and they're hard to get a hold of.

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Quote from: MrTeal on August 24, 2014, 11:33:05 PM

Quote from: dance191 on August 24, 2014, 10:56:05 PM

What is the bottom line? MrTeal (or someone who has done this before), what would it cost to get this going? What is the final product going to cost?

Bottom line is that it would cost $5,400 to get the process started, and it's hard to say what the final cost would be since until you spend the $5,400 KnC will not release any information on their system.

Hmmm.... It sounds a little tricky... What do you think, if you had the chips in your hand, what would your guess be as to how long until there is a finished product ready to mine? What would the ballpark cost be for the finished product? Is it not really possible to know as there is not enough info?

All I know that $.15 / GH/s really caught my attention. For me, I don't care about electrical costs, the cost per GH/s is basically all I care about.

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Quote from: dance191 on August 24, 2014, 10:56:05 PM

What is the bottom line? MrTeal (or someone who has done this before), what would it cost to get this going? What is the final product going to cost?

Bottom line is that it would cost $5,400 to get the process started, and it's hard to say what the final cost would be since until you spend the $5,400 KnC will not release any information on their system.

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What is the bottom line? MrTeal (or someone who has done this before), what would it cost to get this going? What is the final product going to cost?

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Quote from: marto74 on August 20, 2014, 11:31:43 AM

Strange I got the same answer from both cointerra and hash fast 3 months back.
A lot of people are mad @ Avalon , but in terms of chip info the thing were always ok.
Black Arrow and bitmine.ch doc were good written and available before chip release.
Bitfury was ok.
And spondo documentation and engineering support is outstanding.
All this from board design perspective

You"ll be doing in the future some boards for the SP RockerBox??

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These chips aren't expensive.. How much you could get out of it is probably ? I mean W/GH

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Quote from: Beastlymac on August 21, 2014, 09:49:11 PM

Quote from: CounterStrike on August 21, 2014, 08:59:50 PM

Its worth it is you know how to build your own ASIC, but don't risk buying if you don't even know where to start..

The documents aren't for fabricating the chip they are for fabricating the pcb board itself.

the "docs" to make the chip itself cost knc >$1million USD. and will never see the light of day outside of the vault where they're stored

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Quote from: CounterStrike on August 21, 2014, 08:59:50 PM

Its worth it is you know how to build your own ASIC, but don't risk buying if you don't even know where to start..

The documents aren't for fabricating the chip they are for fabricating the pcb board itself.

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