La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 - page 197.

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Honestly not a deserved defeat for Barcelona and the first home defeat to Atletico in 17 years.

The last match before the holiday was almost 2 weeks more because of the new year. Only on January 4 Real Madrid will face Valencia, the other will start on January 11. The result of Barcelona's loss against Atletico may have been predicted by many and the result was correct. This condition worsens Barcelona's condition in La Liga. Although the current condition is still quite a lot of matches to be played and there will still be many surprises to be made. Barcelona may be able to improve the situation with the transfer market. But I am also curious about their financial condition, if they don't have a lot of money, maybe it's useless they can only improve the internal condition of the team and wait for the rest of the injured players.

Bookmakers gave odds of 2 for Barcelona's victory, and 3.5 for Atletico's victory, so bookmakers estimated Barcelona's chances higher than Atletico's and it is logical, given the previous meetings and the fact that for Simeone Barcelona is one of the most difficult opponents, to whom he almost always lost.

Despite the defeat Barcelona showed one of their best games in the last 2 months and only the failures of Barcelona's attacking players prevented Barcelona from winning.

Now it seems that no one talks about the financial situation and I think all the problems Barcelona has solved and at the moment Barcelona has a good squad, they can fight for the championship, although at the moment Real and Atletico have taken the lead, but I think that we should not write off Barcelona from the championship race.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on December 23, 2024, 11:47:56 AM

Here is European tournament positions after leaving 18 weeks behind.

There are even teams playing 19 games as you can see. Barcelona are also one of them and this is a worrying look for them that's for sure. Sad

Atletico Madrid are coming for the La Liga title as long as they keep this performance level during most of the season. They don't look like they will drop from this race easily this time.

Real Madrid are also right behind with a really lovely win. We were talking about how dominant Barcelona were before. But after the last a few weeks, balances have been upset too much. Only 1 win during last 5 games...

The reason why football will remain the best sport in the world is that no one can predict it and know what is going to happen at the end of the season, From the beginning of the season everybody saw Barcelona as the winner of the League this season, Real Madrid and Atletico Madrid are not doing well from the beginning of the season because they have players that join the team and they need to adapt to each other to perform well, Barcelona has won only one game in La Liga in their last 7 matches and we called them the Champions from the beginning of the season Grin

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Barcelona has played all their matches in La Liga in 2024 while Real Madrid and Atletico Madrid have one match to play, Atletico Madrid is ahead of Barcelona with 2 points and Real Madrid is ahead of Barcelona with 1 point and if they win their game in hand they will be ahead of Barcelona with 5 to 6 points, to be honest, if I was told that Barcelona will be at third before the end of 2024 I won't believe because Barcelona and their fans make us believe that they are in good shape to win the League trophy.

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Quote from: aylabadia05 on December 23, 2024, 04:15:30 PM

The schedule for the 19th La Liga match will start again on January 10 2025, which is still a long time in my opinion. Real Madrid will play its postponed match early against Valencia at Mestalla, but I don't know if Real Madrid can secure 3 points in that match. Real Madrid has a high probability of winning, but Valencia playing at home should have a good probability too.

There is plenty of time during the break and both teams can prepare a lot ahead of the match. But this is the holiday season where there are many players who will be on vacation and have fun, including players from both teams. If they are too excessive, then the performance will never meet expectations.

Assuming Real Madrid won from this match they will collect 43 points maximum with automatically Real Madrid can taking over first place from Atletico Madrid and on the paper this match should be easy for Real Madrid because Valencia this season is only a mediocre team who hard struggling to avoiding relegation zone and i have been discuss about Valencia condition few days ago that they are most likely to play in the Segunda division next season if unable to bounce back so if Real Madrid can performing well i think beat Valencia is not hard task for them even Real Madrid has a potention can win with huge scores

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Quote from: aylabadia05 on December 23, 2024, 04:15:30 PM

The schedule for the 19th La Liga match will start again on January 10 2025, which is still a long time in my opinion. Real Madrid will play its postponed match early against Valencia at Mestalla, but I don't know if Real Madrid can secure 3 points in that match. Real Madrid has a high probability of winning, but Valencia playing at home should have a good probability too.

There is plenty of time during the break and both teams can prepare a lot ahead of the match. But this is the holiday season where there are many players who will be on vacation and have fun, including players from both teams. If they are too excessive, then the performance will never meet expectations.

I think that even though this match will be held at Valencia headquarters, it is certain that Real Madrid can get the full 3 points in this match. Because now we can see that the difference in performance between Real Madrid and Valencia is very big. The proof is that currently Valencia is ranked 19th or you could say it is in the relegation zone. Meanwhile, Real Madrid is currently in 2nd place in Laliga. So with this striking difference, I think it is certain that Real Madrid will definitely get the full 3 points in this match. Although it is true that in the next few weeks the Real Madrid and Valencia players will be on holiday. However, we definitely know that Real Madrid has very good quality players, so we can be sure that their performance will not decline too much, even though they have not trained for several weeks. So with this in mind, I would not hesitate to bet on Real Madrid. So what about you.

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Quote from: hyudien on December 23, 2024, 09:19:20 AM

Let's say Madrid can get 3 points early in the year from Valencia but Atletico still has one game left which means Atletico Madrid chances are still high to take the top of the standings. Osasuna may not be the favorite but sometimes Atletico Madrid have problems when playing against weaker teams. The rhythm of the game will follow their opponents and Simeone needs to prepare for this very carefully if he wants to stay at the top of the standings.

Yes, it can be said that Atletico Madrid is still superior to Real Madrid if both win the same number of matches, but a difference of 1 point is not a big difference and I am sure that in some upcoming matches Atletico Madrid will lose points so that Real Madrid has the opportunity to occupy the top position in the standings, honestly the changes in the top standings still feel tight as long as they are still consistent enough to achieve victory after victory.

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I believe after Barcelona finished watching how Madrid rough handled Sevilla it will be as a lesson to them not to joke with the opportunity given to them, they had the game on their palm but they choose to gamble with it and now things are going to be hard for them with Madrid waiting for them (Barcelona) to make another mistake for them to take over and I don't see ATM behaving like Barcelona since they are at the top of the table and they'll make sure to stay at the top for a very long time. Real Madrid will only do what they have to do to always get close to ATM but Barcelona need a miracle to happen for both Real Madrid and ATM to drop point for them to get back to the top.

Barcelona is finished now. Theoretically, they have 6 points gap to the Atletico Madrid and 5 points gap to the Real Madrid. The gap is pretty big to the duo Madrid. They're out of the title race if they keep missing more points in the coming weeks.

It's time for them to lower their target from getting the title to the qualify for the UCL. I'm not doubting them to secure UCL spot. The problem is they're bottled the title in a matter of weeks is crazy as fuck.

I'm sure they will play with no motivation in the coming weeks. Let's see if they're gonna keep missing as many points as they can.

I'm pretty sure that it got into their head knowing fully well that they're ahead of the other clubs in securing the title, with their great form in both champions league and the la Liga got into them and they felt they were invincible and untouchable, no way. These are the things that expanded the way they downgraded every other team, the road to being crowned champions is never easy and the Barcelona side have young lads who felt is going to be business as usual, they need to add up more experience players too to help the young ones mentally and it will help them in facing the challenges ahead, I'm not saying they're not doing well but some maturity need to be added to them to grow.

You have to get perfect results by winning all of matches in order to get the trophy, and it'd never been easy. In reality, it's not happening for them. They bottled too many points in ez games, which is decreasing their chance to get into the title race. However, their chance still there, but they have to hope their competitors to get lose streaks in order to catch up them.

Their ez starts might put some players to have star syndrome, which was the main cause of their decline.

Barcelona only have one option at the moment and is to never lose a game, Flick need to change his plan with the team because with some key players out the team seem to be weak and the other competitors knows that, for example if someone like Lamine Yamal is out (which he is), he has been one of the best in the Barcelona side and since he's out of action due to his ankle injury then the team can't be as sharp as it used to be in front of goal when he's around. What I'm saying is that is never good for oppositions to know the weakness of another team if not they'll capitalize on it and Barcelona don't really have any better replacement that can do almost the same work as the young lad Lamine Yamal.
With the current problem Barcelona have I don't think they're going to be having any game with a clear mind because they have ATM to worry about together with the pressure the club (ATM) comes with and I don't think this set of Barcelona players are the type that can manage the amount of pressure Madrid and ATM are coming with on the table. I believe if they concentrate more on their games the other teams (ATM and Madrid) might make that same mistake they made before losing their position as the league leaders.

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Quote from: TelolettOm on December 23, 2024, 10:15:47 AM

Thus time, Atletico Madrid really can silence its haters and break the pessimism of its fans, because in the end, for now, they can lead the standings. And the plus point is, La Liga is getting more interesting and challenging again, not only between Real Madrid and Barcelona, but also Atletico Madrid. Now, the three will compete with increasingly tight and challenging. Nothing is impossible, we will never know what will happen in the future, it could still be Atletico Madrid, or there will be another change for the club that is in the next top standing.

And because of that, Simeone really deserves to be the coach of the month in La Liga this time.

Source: Congratulations, @Simeone

Anything can happen, there are still matches left to be completed, but it must be recognised that Atletico Madrid have performed brilliantly so far, the coach's clever strategy managed to silence the opposing team and produce a victory that brought Ateltico Madrid to the top of the standings.

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Quote from: Docnaster on December 22, 2024, 01:20:34 PM

This is how the top four of the Spanish La Liga looks like at the moment. I don't think any of us would have predicted anything similar to this after Barcelona defeated Real Madrid 4:0 in October but this is actually the reality at the moment. Barcelona started the season on a very good note and were even tipped by many to reclaim the league title at the end of the season but the Catalonian club have had very poor results in recent times and are now trailing league leaders by three points and second player Real Madrid by two points. If both Madrid clubs wins their outstanding games, Barcelona will be 6 and 5 points behind respectively.

Hmmm that's literally Alas!!!!
Barcelona disappointed many fans. No one was expected from Barcelona to lose to Atletico Madrid, but when the time came, they did and lost again. From the beginning of the season, everyone believes that Barcelona will be able to win the La Liga race by managing it very easily. But actually the result came out equivalent of many ideas and expectations. But to be honest, Barcelona put their full efforts for points but Atletico Madrid could show their typical defending. Prevented Barcelona from winning the match.

However, now I think that Barcelona will not be able to become the top of the league leader even if they can win every match. Because the point gap is enough and Real Madrid has played fewer matches. So I believe that either Atletico Madrid or Real Madrid will win the league trophy.

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Kylian Mbappe's talent was never in doubt and I don't think we have seen the best of him just yet, yes he j coming to a different league from the one is has been used to for a very long time but still lots of expectations are on his shoulders and the fact that Real Madrid just won the Spanish laliga and the UEFA champions league last season even adds more pressure on him.
I think he would adapt soon but I don't think he would hit the target height people expect from him, he is in a team with stars that also want individual awards just like him so I think their would be some underground ego that's would hinder that dream expectations.

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Quote from: dezoel on December 23, 2024, 04:45:39 PM

This was the type of game they needed from Mbappe, and they are getting more and more adapting to each other, so I feel like they are going to only get better from here on out. I think he needed a period without all the stars around him, and with injuries and such, he had a moment where they relied on him, which gave him a great morale and confidence boost.

With stars all around him, he felt misplaced because he was used to being the star, and lost confidence when he saw others doing wonderful stuff without needing him, so when everyone got injured for a few games and they relied on him, he felt back what it was to be a star, and now he can shine with other stars together, which is showing and he is doing great during this time all together with others.

It may be true, Mbappe is used to being the main focus when playing at PSG, whereas at Real Madrid Mbappe is on the same page as the other players. As the season progresses, Mbappe is slowly able to adapt to various situations, he is starting to find his best rhythm in the scheme desired by Ancelotti. The absence of Vinicius gives Mbappe more free space to move, this helps him to perform optimally. Ancelotti has supported Mbappe on many occasions, this has succeeded in restoring Mbappe confidence. The goal scored in the match against Sevilla, seemed to confirm that Mbappe is approaching his best performance.

Ancelotti with various challenges and storms of injuries he faced this season, was able to unite the egos of the players and accommodate playing minutes for all his star players. I think, that is one form of the genius of an experienced manager. With the depth of the squad that Real Madrid has, it seems that they will finally be able to perform to meet expectations. Although we know, their performance will not be as strong as last season.

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This was the type of game they needed from Mbappe, and they are getting more and more adapting to each other, so I feel like they are going to only get better from here on out. I think he needed a period without all the stars around him, and with injuries and such, he had a moment where they relied on him, which gave him a great morale and confidence boost.

With stars all around him, he felt misplaced because he was used to being the star, and lost confidence when he saw others doing wonderful stuff without needing him, so when everyone got injured for a few games and they relied on him, he felt back what it was to be a star, and now he can shine with other stars together, which is showing and he is doing great during this time all together with others.

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Quote from: aylabadia05 on December 23, 2024, 04:15:30 PM

The schedule for the 19th La Liga match will start again on January 10 2025, which is still a long time in my opinion. Real Madrid will play its postponed match early against Valencia at Mestalla, but I don't know if Real Madrid can secure 3 points in that match. Real Madrid has a high probability of winning, but Valencia playing at home should have a good probability too.

There is plenty of time during the break and both teams can prepare a lot ahead of the match. But this is the holiday season where there are many players who will be on vacation and have fun, including players from both teams. If they are too excessive, then the performance will never meet expectations.

The break will be an opportunity for the team to improve their game quality. Also one side can be beneficial for the team where many of their players are injured. For now the leader of the standings, namely Atletico Madrid, is performing quite well with their performance, even though they lost Morata who moved to AC Milan, in fact their performance has not decreased this season.

On the other hand, Alvarez as Griezmann's partner in the front line of Atletico Madrid has not performed well enough but he has started to show better improvements in every match. He is a good recruit made by Simeone in the last summer window. I'm sure he will have a fantastic season in his first season with Atletico Madrid.

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Quote from: aylabadia05 on December 23, 2024, 04:15:30 PM

The schedule for the 19th La Liga match will start again on January 10 2025, which is still a long time in my opinion. Real Madrid will play its postponed match early against Valencia at Mestalla, but I don't know if Real Madrid can secure 3 points in that match. Real Madrid has a high probability of winning, but Valencia playing at home should have a good probability too.

There is plenty of time during the break and both teams can prepare a lot ahead of the match. But this is the holiday season where there are many players who will be on vacation and have fun, including players from both teams. If they are too excessive, then the performance will never meet expectations.

Real Madrid really fumble big time. They had this Valencia match which was supposed to be played in R12 but because of the incident, it was postponed till further notice before a new date was later scheduled, then they had R19 match with Atletico club and they fumble, they conceded more than what they were supposed to reject back to them and that's how they lost the important game, they are now even draw with number of match played with the rest teams.

Real Madrid can go band for band with Sevilla and give them a knockout even though it's going to happen in their home, in a good day they are just small team Real Madrid can use for play session, score goal and wrapped it up with good finish but recently, I don't know what to expect from Real Madrid, they are no longer like before but maybe they now have the means since some of them men are back from injury but it's a very tough one for

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The schedule for the 19th La Liga match will start again on January 10 2025, which is still a long time in my opinion. Real Madrid will play its postponed match early against Valencia at Mestalla, but I don't know if Real Madrid can secure 3 points in that match. Real Madrid has a high probability of winning, but Valencia playing at home should have a good probability too.

There is plenty of time during the break and both teams can prepare a lot ahead of the match. But this is the holiday season where there are many players who will be on vacation and have fun, including players from both teams. If they are too excessive, then the performance will never meet expectations.

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Quote from: Ryu_Ar1 on December 23, 2024, 04:03:25 PM

Quote from: Frankolala on December 23, 2024, 10:18:44 AM

Atletico game is always playing a defensive game and they play with their wingers. A club that plays more of defensive game will be very good at counterattack so that they can create chances of scoring goals. Barcelona is good than Atletico in Laliga but currently, Atletico is stable and consistent than Barcelona. Simeone is a coach that has always kept the quality of the team for quite sometimes, and deserves a trophy.

For this season Simeone is doing it in a slightly different way where when in the previous few seasons including last season they prefer to tend to wait for momentum with counterattacks and always do monotonous schemes but different from this season where they try to dominate in every match when there is a chance.
I think this is a good thing because some of their players are quite good actually in matters of domination, especially some midfielders like Gallagher or De Paul they are the type of good fighter with and their speed is also actually quite good although not too fast but with that it actually makes Julian Alvarez and Griezmann in the attack line free in the end.

This momentum must clearly be maintained by Atletico especially now that they are in prime condition where 12 matches with a win streak in all competitions clearly make them more confident.

Atletico does not play the same way every match. They usually position themselves according to their opponent's play and shape their attacks. They can play counter-attacks very well and this feature can help them win matches against any team. As the team wins, they become more motivated and improve their game, which is one of the great team features.

Diego Simeone directs the team very well and the team is at a very good level of concentration. This was a feature that Atletico did not have before and this year their concentration is helping the team to take their game to the next level.

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Quote from: Frankolala on December 23, 2024, 10:18:44 AM

Atletico game is always playing a defensive game and they play with their wingers. A club that plays more of defensive game will be very good at counterattack so that they can create chances of scoring goals. Barcelona is good than Atletico in Laliga but currently, Atletico is stable and consistent than Barcelona. Simeone is a coach that has always kept the quality of the team for quite sometimes, and deserves a trophy.

For this season Simeone is doing it in a slightly different way where when in the previous few seasons including last season they prefer to tend to wait for momentum with counterattacks and always do monotonous schemes but different from this season where they try to dominate in every match when there is a chance.
I think this is a good thing because some of their players are quite good actually in matters of domination, especially some midfielders like Gallagher or De Paul they are the type of good fighter with and their speed is also actually quite good although not too fast but with that it actually makes Julian Alvarez and Griezmann in the attack line free in the end.

This momentum must clearly be maintained by Atletico especially now that they are in prime condition where 12 matches with a win streak in all competitions clearly make them more confident.

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Quote from: Frankolala on December 23, 2024, 10:18:44 AM

Atletico game is always playing a defensive game and they play with their wingers. A club that plays more of defensive game will be very good at counterattack so that they can create chances of scoring goals. Barcelona is good than Atletico in Laliga but currently, Atletico is stable and consistent than Barcelona. Simeone is a coach that has always kept the quality of the team for quite sometimes, and deserves a trophy.

Atletic Madrid still remains one of the clubs for the La Liga title which they have been showing their best in the games to be played. They are really going to see a very quality game and though time in the times to some from now, and I believe it is going to be an interesting game in the La Liga this season. Simeone is long due for another La Liga title after he last won it some years back. With this resilience and continued improvement in his games, he’ll be better situated for the La Liga title which will certainly require a lot of sacrifice and effort from the whole team. Barcelona already misuse their chances even though they still have some left, so getting back on their feet will really help them not to lose much hope for the league title, I know they will definitely give it a try again and get Bach to the title race with Atletico Madrid and Real Madrid who are already in the first and second positions on the standings.

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Quote from: red4slash on December 23, 2024, 02:53:07 PM

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Simeone's move to buy some players at quite expensive prices at the start of the season has actually always been a debate but in the end he was able to provide the best where the purchase of Julian and Sorloth in the end is still a good choice for the improvement in performance they have today and indeed when compared to previous seasons, for now Simeone seems to want to give something new to the competition in La Liga because it cannot be denied when Atletico tried to compete and get the trophy 4 seasons ago and after that they stagnated just being a decoration even though they never got out of the Champions League zone but they could not do much in the competition.

Now the situation is a little different and of course this is a very good thing for Atletico so they just need to make some adjustments so that their performance continues to survive like this so that the competition in La Liga becomes more interesting in terms of trophies.

The UEFA Champions League table, Atletico Madrid are ranked 11th position, absolutely a good spot to watch the Spanish side. Diego Simeone is no average coach but experience, he has more chances of winning the La Liga title this season because he's making vastly improvements in his squad, having the available players to strengthen the club's performance and nailing three points in all games. Los Colchoneros are ranked first on the league table, this is major sign of improvement and the club gains odds of securing a title this season. They just need to maintain streak winnings and improvement in all round sectors. The challenges are upfront and it's just a matter of time for Diego Simeone to withstand his ground, dominant every oppositions he encounter this season.

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Quote from: Hyphen(-) on December 23, 2024, 11:59:17 AM

Real Madrid will definitely be given higher chance because of the quality of the players in the squad, they will be given high chance because they are also the defending champions and have signed a world class player that is hungry for title.

Barcelona is considered the second favorite because they also have some world class players in their squad and Hensi Flick can still get it right if Lamine Yamal comes back from injury which will increase their chance of winning the Laliga.

However, Atletico Madrid is considered the third option because the bookmakers don’t believe in Semione’s team, they don’t believe they can win the Laliga because of the nature of their squad.

Realmadrid given higher odds is partly squad and they are also the defending champions just as you've mentioned..Another thing is that , for them to be able to maintain their position all through even with injury shows that they can still win it . Thus , the point difference isn't that much so it's likely Athletico drops some point while they take over.

Hence, Barcelona might still bounce back in no time with their winning streaks just as we've seen earlier this seasons , the odds are still going to change as time goes on ... if Barcelona continues to decline and ATH dosemdrop point then the odd gap might close up with ATH while Realmadrid remains the same or drop a little with respect to their performance. There's still a long journey ahead anyways

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Quote from: hahay on December 23, 2024, 11:59:27 AM

Unfortunately, Hansi Flick's strong protest when Barcelona play away against Betis make him get a red card. And according to the sources I've read, Hansi Flick was sentenced to 1.5 months away from the team and as such, it may have been a factor in Barcelona's two consecutive defeats at home. Obviously, it was a bad result and also, a bad impact because of the emotions that Hansi Flick could not control at that time. If I had realized this factor yesterday, then of course I would not have bet on Barcelona but yes, the result has happened and of course it is a big loss for Barcelona who really fell to third place. Because with situations and conditions like that, I believe it is difficult for Barcelona to return to the top of the standings.

I didn't know that apparently Hansi Flick had to be absent for that long because he was prohibited from accompanying his team due to a red card. He protested against the referee's decision which he thought was unreasonable or wrong, but on the other hand this had become something that was detrimental to his team instead of defending him. Referees are sometimes too harsh on trivial matters, while they ignore too many fouls for whatever reason.

Until week 19, Barcelona had received 5 defeats and 2 draws. Barcelona has come out of the top of the standings because of this and this is also because Atletico Madrid and Real Madrid were able to win the match. Barcelona still has the opportunity to win the top of the standings if they can improve their performance, but if the points gap becomes too high then they will definitely have difficulties.

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