La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 - page 3370.

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on August 03, 2022, 01:05:59 PM

Barcelona should be able to pay de Jong. After all, they spent almost €150m in this transfer market. If they can afford that type of money they should also be able to afford to pay one player. What I understand is that if they are so broke, then they should not have bought players this season. Because they've already spent a lot of money on players, they should not be thinking about selling an important class right now. Because I really don’t see them selling de Jong and the outcome actually being favorable at all.

They can actually pay there but when in this case we have to distinguish which ones can't pay and which ones don't want to pay because indeed if you look at the financial condition with some fairly large purchases, I think the debt of tens of millions is nothing.
But they are so holding back on it because they really don't want to pay now and pass this on to anyone who wants to buy De Jong.

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Quote from: skarais on August 01, 2022, 02:35:27 PM

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Come on mate, it's just a friendly match even though they won there but in this case the majority of Madrid players are young players but indeed when you see it it's like a mini elclasico because it seems that Barcelona really intends even with the obstacles and hard tackles there.
This doesn't determine anything really and when I say Madrid's defense can actually be said to be strong but there is still a need for adjustments there because until now Rudiger and Tchouameni in midfield are also still in the adaptation stage and don't have a strong chemistry there.

It's okay even if it's a friendly match because actually both teams want to win. Barcelona and Real Madrid both played their best players and they played like El Clasico in a competition, but the match stats are good for Barcelona.

Barcelona's two wins over Real Madrid in Laliga and friendly match will certainly give Real Madrid a little impression that they must be ready and wary of Barcelona this season. Barcelona can play well and their attackers are very dangerous, so this will definitely be one of the things that will have a positive impact on the competition this season.

In this case, there are indeed several players who are being tested, such as the young Madrid players without Benzema there and some of the chemistry that Barcelona does.
Actually it's not a problem there during a friendly match but I just want to emphasize that this is not a reference.
Apart from the two clubs playing very well there, we are also aware that this is only a friendship and to assess the readiness of the two teams but in this case it is clearly not a reference to who will win for the league title there because this is only as proof and reference that Barcelona are not those who play in the league. the start of the season last year.

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Quote from: zuzie on August 03, 2022, 10:52:45 AM

Quote from: tulusikhlas on August 03, 2022, 07:42:05 AM

At least I hope there are three names of teams that are ready to compete at the top of the standings if the other teams are not able to do that. Real Madrid, Barcelona and Atletico Madrid are these three teams. Indeed, from year to year only these three teams have always been residents of the top. I'm also a little hesitant for other teams to join them in the competition. Their movement in the transfer market is so minimal.

You don't include sevilla among the three rivalry?
It is undeniable, Sevilla is a threat to one of the three clubs above. Although its position has not shifted in the last three seasons, but sevilla always end the season with very thin points with the position of three La Liga standings. Season 20-21, sevilla only two points adrift of Barcelona in third place, and this season they are only one point adrift of Atletico. It's not impossible that next season Sevilla will be more aggressive

The Sevilla team cannot be considered weak. Sevilla is one of the strongest teams in La Liga. But the performance of the Sevilla team is not stable. Their attack is very weak. Last season they played completely defensively. In each match, their aim was to draw and earn 1 point. Last season Sevilla lost only 4 matches and managed to draw 16 matches. I don't think Sevilla will fight for the title. But Barcelona and Real Madrid will have to perform very carefully if they want to pick up full points against Sevilla.

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Everything is so, except that Chelsea did not make an official offer and everything remained at the level of discussion. Today I read in the news that Barcelona management told Xavi to put pressure on De Jong (promising him to have very little playing time) to leave the club. What a disgrace. "More than a club" Grin

Barcelona has not any other alternative now. They are in a financial crisis. The cost of the squad must now be reduced. de Jong was asked to cut wages. Perhaps de Jong is not interested in cutting wages. So he was offered to leave the club. But de Jong is not willing to leave the club. What steps can Barcelona take to deal with the financial crisis now?

There is an easy way: bankruptcy. If you cannot fulfill your financial obligations, then bankruptcy is the most honest way out. The second way out is to break the contract with De Jong - but then Barcelona will be obliged to pay him a lot of money for terminating the contract. The third way out is to continue to pay him a salary (plus pay all the money they already owe him).
I don't see any problems at all. But the greedy Barcelona wants to spend the most on new players while doing so with old players' money. It's gross and stupid.

Barcelona should be able to pay de Jong. After all, they spent almost €150m in this transfer market. If they can afford that type of money they should also be able to afford to pay one player. What I understand is that if they are so broke, then they should not have bought players this season. Because they've already spent a lot of money on players, they should not be thinking about selling an important class right now. Because I really don’t see them selling de Jong and the outcome actually being favorable at all.

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Quote from: tulusikhlas on August 03, 2022, 07:42:05 AM

At least I hope there are three names of teams that are ready to compete at the top of the standings if the other teams are not able to do that. Real Madrid, Barcelona and Atletico Madrid are these three teams. Indeed, from year to year only these three teams have always been residents of the top. I'm also a little hesitant for other teams to join them in the competition. Their movement in the transfer market is so minimal.

You don't include sevilla among the three rivalry?
It is undeniable, Sevilla is a threat to one of the three clubs above. Although its position has not shifted in the last three seasons, but sevilla always end the season with very thin points with the position of three La Liga standings. Season 20-21, sevilla only two points adrift of Barcelona in third place, and this season they are only one point adrift of Atletico. It's not impossible that next season Sevilla will be more aggressive

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Quote from: lobo13hf on August 03, 2022, 09:07:06 AM

Quote from: tulusikhlas on August 03, 2022, 07:42:05 AM

Real Madrid, Barcelona and Atletico Madrid are these three teams. Indeed, from year to year only these three teams have always been residents of the top. I'm also a little hesitant for other teams to join them in the competition. Their movement in the transfer market is so minimal.

At least if mediocre team can be competitive for those top clubs and that will be far better. Financial fair play is the way for that those mediocre clubs can compete with the big club. I hope that if la liga can become the same like EPL in term of competitive club.
It's very boring to see that big club will always dominate the competition.

Yes, that's the fact, when the team gets bigger, they will be more stable. On the other hand, for clubs that only occupy the middle board, they are difficult to compete.
It's different when talking about the English Premier League, because the competition there is very different from what is in La Liga. There any club can at any time make a surprise.

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Quote from: arimamib on August 03, 2022, 09:09:08 AM

Quote from: hyudien on August 03, 2022, 05:44:00 AM

Comparing Lewandowski to be on par with Benzema in La Liga is not an appropriate position. This is still very early days for someone who has adapted for a long time in the Bundesliga but is not fully aware of the situation in La Liga. It still takes a lot of time, experience, and adaptation for Lewandowski. Although it is possible that Lewandowski has the right seat if Benzema at the end of his career as a worthy competitor.

It is too early to compare Lewandowski and Benzema in La Liga, Lewandowski has yet to prove anything with Barcelona, while Benzema has already given everything for Real Madrid, so in this position it is clear that Benzema is better than Lewandowski.
Lewandowski quality is undeniable, he has given everything for Bayern Munich, but he needs time to be compared to Benzema because he has just started a new adventure in La Liga.

In my opinion the two players are not worth comparing because they are both great players, but I agree if maybe Lewandowski will need a little time to adapt in Barcelona later, while Benzema has spent part of his career in La Liga so he is quite familiar with the La Liga style of football, but even so, I'm pretty sure these two players will be able to become a strong rivalry in seeking the title of the best player in La Liga later, besides that with Lewandowski in Barcelona, it is certain that the intensity of El Classico game will increase just like the era of Messi and Ronaldo competition. .

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on August 02, 2022, 11:28:37 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on August 02, 2022, 11:05:49 AM

Everything is so, except that Chelsea did not make an official offer and everything remained at the level of discussion. Today I read in the news that Barcelona management told Xavi to put pressure on De Jong (promising him to have very little playing time) to leave the club. What a disgrace. "More than a club" Grin

Barcelona has not any other alternative now. They are in a financial crisis. The cost of the squad must now be reduced. de Jong was asked to cut wages. Perhaps de Jong is not interested in cutting wages. So he was offered to leave the club. But de Jong is not willing to leave the club. What steps can Barcelona take to deal with the financial crisis now?

There is an easy way: bankruptcy. If you cannot fulfill your financial obligations, then bankruptcy is the most honest way out. The second way out is to break the contract with De Jong - but then Barcelona will be obliged to pay him a lot of money for terminating the contract. The third way out is to continue to pay him a salary (plus pay all the money they already owe him).
I don't see any problems at all. But the greedy Barcelona wants to spend the most on new players while doing so with old players' money. It's gross and stupid.

Quote from: snipie on August 02, 2022, 03:19:26 PM

Barcelona wants to get ride of his salary that will continue to be bigger each year in addition to the money that they owes him when they cut his wage. So removing that charge + getting some €60-80m for the transfer will be beneficial for the club in the short - medium term. Let's call it a sacrifice that will impact de Jong more than Barcelona and he is forced to accept it. When we said that Barca suffered a bad management for years Lips sealed

It looks like De Jong doesn't care what Barcelona wants - he takes care of himself. And rightly so Cool

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Quote from: hyudien on August 03, 2022, 05:44:00 AM

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Lewandowski has the greatest player in bundesliga but it doesn't mean if it will be also a good player in barcelona. It needs the time to prove it. If it can be the same like benzema and i will say if he already fully adapted with the team but as long as he can't even make his first goal and it may make him to be even more difficult to adapt with the situation in the barcelona.

Comparing Lewandowski to be on par with Benzema in La Liga is not an appropriate position. This is still very early days for someone who has adapted for a long time in the Bundesliga but is not fully aware of the situation in La Liga. It still takes a lot of time, experience, and adaptation for Lewandowski. Although it is possible that Lewandowski has the right seat if Benzema at the end of his career as a worthy competitor.

It is too early to compare Lewandowski and Benzema in La Liga, Lewandowski has yet to prove anything with Barcelona, while Benzema has already given everything for Real Madrid, so in this position it is clear that Benzema is better than Lewandowski.
Lewandowski quality is undeniable, he has given everything for Bayern Munich, but he needs time to be compared to Benzema because he has just started a new adventure in La Liga.

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Quote from: tulusikhlas on August 03, 2022, 07:42:05 AM

Real Madrid, Barcelona and Atletico Madrid are these three teams. Indeed, from year to year only these three teams have always been residents of the top. I'm also a little hesitant for other teams to join them in the competition. Their movement in the transfer market is so minimal.

At least if mediocre team can be competitive for those top clubs and that will be far better. Financial fair play is the way for that those mediocre clubs can compete with the big club. I hope that if la liga can become the same like EPL in term of competitive club.
It's very boring to see that big club will always dominate the competition.

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At least I hope there are three names of teams that are ready to compete at the top of the standings if the other teams are not able to do that. Real Madrid, Barcelona and Atletico Madrid are these three teams. Indeed, from year to year only these three teams have always been residents of the top. I'm also a little hesitant for other teams to join them in the competition. Their movement in the transfer market is so minimal.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on August 03, 2022, 03:19:22 AM

Alex Telles deal is almost done for Sevilla now. Nice also tried to intervene but it seems like they will fail. My choice also would be Sevilla rather than them as Sevilla are a bigger team and more importantly they are going to perform in the Champions League while Nice aren't. This is an important loss for Manchester United I think. They have Luke Shaw and some youngsters for the position now. I guess that they would sign a new left-back after this deal is completed for Sevilla.

Alex Telles don't have much chance to play last season so losing him aren't big problem for Manchester United especially he is into sell lists for Manchester United and they already buy Tyrell Malacia for left back position but Sevilla only loan him for one season however i don't know he is the right choose for Sevilla or not because Sevilla has lost several their key players such as Diego Carlos or Jules Kounde in defender position so they have to strengthen that position because during pre season matches their defense were not so impresive

why only borrow from United? while Sevilla I think can buy it. Alex Telles is one of the names of United defenders who will be removed from the squad. because the United coach now knows very well they need improvement in the defense.
good or bad Alex Telles at Sevilla, I hope it won't be a stupid move. when Alex Telles can play well then it will be good for both teams.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on August 03, 2022, 03:19:22 AM

Alex Telles deal is almost done for Sevilla now. Nice also tried to intervene but it seems like they will fail. My choice also would be Sevilla rather than them as Sevilla are a bigger team and more importantly they are going to perform in the Champions League while Nice aren't. This is an important loss for Manchester United I think. They have Luke Shaw and some youngsters for the position now. I guess that they would sign a new left-back after this deal is completed for Sevilla.

Alex Telles don't have much chance to play last season so losing him aren't big problem for Manchester United especially he is into sell lists for Manchester United and they already buy Tyrell Malacia for left back position but Sevilla only loan him for one season however i don't know he is the right choose for Sevilla or not because Sevilla has lost several their key players such as Diego Carlos or Jules Kounde in defender position so they have to strengthen that position because during pre season matches their defense were not so impresive

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Quote from: makishart on August 03, 2022, 06:54:12 AM

Quote from: naira on August 03, 2022, 05:03:45 AM

In the midst of uncertainty, De Jong is likely to continue if neither side gives a final conclusion. For some reason having to keep players who really won't show their quality better when the issue of salary is the main topic. In the end, De Jong will not play 100% seriously Barcelona may reduce the duration of play to make it easier for De Jong to leave. In fact, until now the Barcelona manager still has uncertain hopes.

Barcelona wants him to leave the club and then benardo silva can enter into the club. He was saying that if he wants only go to the chelsea or munchen but not for MU. This will become a very big problem for barcelona. As far as i know there was no rumour that said that if chelsea nor munchen have been creating offer for him to go to their club. This time chelsea and munchen are still looking for the new players but not for him.

Poor De Jong man ...as he came to barca as a savior and now the board wants him out of the club and even Xavi told him that is better for him to look for another team and same goes for Depay. I don't know what is happening with Barca anymore but it seems they cannot find the comfort they are seeking for.

They should also realize that if Dembele won't have a great season , neither will them so it's really up on Dembele to have his best season since he came to Barca as he didn't shine not even once for a full season as he only had great games here and there.

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Quote from: naira on August 03, 2022, 05:03:45 AM

In the midst of uncertainty, De Jong is likely to continue if neither side gives a final conclusion. For some reason having to keep players who really won't show their quality better when the issue of salary is the main topic. In the end, De Jong will not play 100% seriously Barcelona may reduce the duration of play to make it easier for De Jong to leave. In fact, until now the Barcelona manager still has uncertain hopes.

Barcelona wants him to leave the club and then benardo silva can enter into the club. He was saying that if he wants only go to the chelsea or munchen but not for MU. This will become a very big problem for barcelona. As far as i know there was no rumour that said that if chelsea nor munchen have been creating offer for him to go to their club. This time chelsea and munchen are still looking for the new players but not for him.

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Quote from: Falconer on August 02, 2022, 06:05:55 PM

Of course it's true, we can see from how they overhauled their team this season with the addition of 5 new players. Raphinha, Lewandowski, Kessie, Christensen and Jules Kunde are the list of Barcelona's new players who are prioritized for the title this season. Xavi and the Barcelona management appear to have taken a big risk regarding his team's finances this summer by spending a lot of money in the transfer market. Raphinha, Lewandowski and Kounde are their expensive buys even though they seem all good

Many did not think that Barcelona would buy so many players in the midst of the financial crisis they were facing.
Joan Laporta is the man behind it all, she's managed to unlock liquidity so that money can flow into Barcelona's accounts and make big purchases, slowly but surely.

Quote from: Falconer on August 02, 2022, 06:05:55 PM

If Barcelona finally also failed this season then really it was the biggest loss for them. I'm not sure all the players that Barcelona have this season can guarantee the title, but at least I'm starting to feel a sense of concern at Real Madrid which only brought in two new names Rudiger and Tchouameni.

it's true what you say, no one can guarantee the success of barcelona with the current squad but even so, at least barcelona is planning something for this summer and not just for real madrid, the current barcelona squad will definitely be a very tough opponent tough in the struggle for the champions league trophy.
whether they can win the La Liga title or the Champions League trophy, all the hills are still very far away for us to know.

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Quote from: hyudien on August 03, 2022, 05:44:00 AM

Comparing Lewandowski to be on par with Benzema in La Liga is not an appropriate position. This is still very early days for someone who has adapted for a long time in the Bundesliga but is not fully aware of the situation in La Liga. It still takes a lot of time, experience, and adaptation for Lewandowski. Although it is possible that Lewandowski has the right seat if Benzema at the end of his career as a worthy competitor.

They are at same bar in quality but likely not same bar in performance in a new season. Benzema has years in La Liga and Real Madrid but Lewandowski only joined La Liga and Barcelona last one month. Their experience in La Liga and in their clubs are very different.

It can affect their performance in a new season too. I think Lewandowski will have big troubles to adapt to Barcelona and he will not be able to perform with his best. I am keen on a better performance for Benzema than Lewandowski.

Benzema certainly has more experience in LaLiga so I don't think that performance will decrease to continue to contribute to Real Madrid, but compared to Lewandowski it will be a little different even though they are a little different in age, well this needs adaptation for him because he is just starting the current season for Lewandowski, the competition will still be tight, it seems because they both still have pretty good skills as a reliable center forward, but we need one season to finish who has the most goals between the two.

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Quote from: arimamib on August 02, 2022, 10:27:07 AM

Quote from: Jody.Drummer on August 02, 2022, 10:09:45 AM

Yes pre-season is projected to see how strong their squad depth is. I don't care about the result of the match winning or losing, I think it's just a bonus. Real Madrid did not field all the starting players, because their focus was not on winning. Moreover, their squad has not changed much for next season.
As for Barcelona, I think it's natural when they field the full squad, because they want to see their new squad play.

Real Madrid's squad has barely changed this season, in other words the Real Madrid squad has been formed with a very strong chemistry between players, Ancelotti still really believes in the quality of players Real Madrid currently has. While Barcelona is forming a new force, new signings need to get minutes in the friendly, one of the reasons Xavi fielded all the main players in the match against Real Madrid so the players could understand each other.

The results in the test match are just a formality, nothing special in my opinion, the real strength will be tested in the official match. Soon the new season will start soon, we will see which team will be the best, whether Real Madrid is still relying on the strength of last season or Barcelona with its new strength.

There are some improvements that Madrid have to make in terms of chemistry especially if they want to make various rotations for their old players.
This will be the last season for Kroos so there needs to be a replacement there.
As for Barcelona now they are in a major overhaul and it definitely needs a strong chemistry there although I see they are still good enough for now in terms of performance although not good enough financially

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Quote from: zuzie on August 03, 2022, 05:55:09 AM

Actually they want to release it, but Barca wants a higher price. Until now there are no clubs that offer offers according to their expectations, but indeed if see his achievements during the last three seasons with Barcelona are still far from expected, considering the club spent $ 94 million to bring him to Camp Nou from Ajax.

Based on information from several media, Chelsea, Manchester United, and Bayern Munich are some clubs interested in Frenkie De Jong. But neither of them seems to continue the negotiations, and maybe the amount of value requested by Barcelona was one of the reasons.

Chelsea seem to have started talking to Barcelona with regards to Frankie's services. At the moment, they seem to be ahead with the transfer. Not really sure if Bayern are interested in splurging on another player, so, I think at the moment, it is a race between Chelsea and Manchester United but in the end, it'll be Frankie and Xavi's decision on what happens. I think he'll most likely stay at Camp Nou for at least another season.

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Quote from: naira on August 03, 2022, 05:03:45 AM

In the midst of uncertainty, De Jong is likely to continue if neither side gives a final conclusion. For some reason having to keep players who really won't show their quality better when the issue of salary is the main topic. In the end, De Jong will not play 100% seriously Barcelona may reduce the duration of play to make it easier for De Jong to leave. In fact, until now the Barcelona manager still has uncertain hopes.

Actually they want to release it, but Barca wants a higher price. Until now there are no clubs that offer offers according to their expectations, but indeed if see his achievements during the last three seasons with Barcelona are still far from expected, considering the club spent $ 94 million to bring him to Camp Nou from Ajax.

Based on information from several media, Chelsea, Manchester United, and Bayern Munich are some clubs interested in Frenkie De Jong. But neither of them seems to continue the negotiations, and maybe the amount of value requested by Barcelona was one of the reasons.

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