La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 - page 3501.

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Quote from: Roidz on June 11, 2022, 06:43:59 AM

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I'm sure Barcelona don't really want to let Frenkie de Jong go either, so the possibility of selling Frenkie de Jong would be the last step that will be
taken by Barcelona, if Barcelona don't find a solution to save the club's finances. But it is reported that Man United are interested in buying
Frenkie de Jong at a high price. In my opinion, if Man United dared to buy Frenkie de Jong for 100 million euros, Barcelona should really
let Frenkie de Jong go. Moreover, the existence of Erik ten Hag will benefit Frenkie de Jong, because Ten Hag has known Frenkie de Jong
for a long time, because the two had worked together at Ajax. So Frenkie de Jong can comfortably play at Man United and also his departure
can help Barcelona's finances. So in my opinion selling Frenkie de Jong to Man United provides benefits for Frenkie de Jong and also Barcelona.

Barcelona has not yet separated from the financial problems that trapped them but I think releasing de jong is not a good choice, actually when they want to improve the club finances isn't it better to get rid of substitute players or players who don't have a big contribution to the squad this season, de jong has always been Xavi choice and he has paid for Xavi trust by giving pretty good performances in every barcelona game, but maybe selling de jong is the only solution that barcelona has thought of and maybe it will be the best for both de jong and barcelona.
So far Manchester United is the team that is most interested in De Jong but I dont think if they are willing to pay De Jong 100 million euros, De Jong price in the market right now is around 66 million euros and if Barcelona set a price of 100 million euros for de jong maybe Manchester will withdraw later because of a number of too expensive price, sometime ago manchester has submitted the first proposal to buy de jong for 60 million euros plus bonuses but barcelona refused.

What you say is quite reasonable, it is not a wise decision to sell De Jong, who is one of Barcelona's important players. Moreover, De Jong is still
25 years old, meaning that De Jong's game can still develop even better. After all, Man United must have learned from their previous mistakes,
which is often buying players at high prices is not a good decision. So if Barcelona ask for 100 million euros it looks like Man United will also back down
to get De Jong. Moreover, Xavi has shown his quality as a coach and can make Barcelona in second place in La Liga, so there is a possibility next
season Xavi can make Barcelona win a trophy. So if Frenkie de Jong decides to stay maybe he will taste winning trophies with Barcelona.
One more thing that De Jong will not get if he decides to move to Man United is that next season he will not play in the Champions League.

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Real Betis were one of the impressive teams last season. Things they did with Pellegrini were really amazing. They were very close to even joining the Champions League group stage but their results in the last weeks of the season didn't help them about that. They are continuing with Pellegrini next season as well and I'm wondering if they will be able to keep this level at least. They have a good lineup and maybe this time they can go to the Champions League. But they will have very opponents fighting for the same goal.

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They would have considered Frenkie de Jong as "untouchable" if their financial condition would have been better. United knows their situation and are taking advantage of it as it's a brainer for Barcelona whether they sell De Jong and take the money to bring in the players in their shortlist to improve their weak areas or keep De Jong as he is their crucial player. It's a tough one for Barca.

Selling de Jong will not be profitable for Barcelona. The Barcelona team is stable enough now. I would say the only weakness of Barcelona last season was their weak defense. So if Xavi can keep the midfield and forward players unchanged and strengthen the defense, Barcelona will probably be able to stay at the top of the La Liga points table next season.

What if it goes to 120m ? At some point it's gonna be an enticing offer for Barcelona ? Don't you think so? The thing is how much Barca value De Jong according to their plans. If it's worth 80 million then they will sell him and get another player. De Jong is good player but he is not a unique player and finding his replacement might take a bit of time but it's not difficult.

Right now how much United wants De Jong and how much Barca values De Jong is the question.

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Barcelona took over de Jong from Ajax a few years ago for 80 million euros I think. So if they want to sell it, they will want at least the same amount, but you should actually put some money on top of it. If a club like City or United wants him, they are also willing to pay 100 million. Those are still huge amounts to pay. You can make a whole team out of that. City in itself does not need that many signings, but a good striker would not be a luxury. And they can buy almost anything they want too.

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Quote from: Ratash on June 11, 2022, 02:47:48 PM

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Manchester United are interested in signing Frenkie de Jong seriously and I guess they will be willing to pay an amount like 80 million euros for him. Barcelona shouldn't miss this big opportunity I think. They desperately need money to fix their financial issues quicker. I know that it is hard to let go a very good midfielder like Frenkie de Jong but there is nothing to do about it. Otherwise they may not be able to sign the players they want in the transfer window. Hopefully they can find another midfielder to fill his place.

I think man united need a player like him he do his job very well defensively and offensively but i don't think barcelona will let him go easily even with 80 million i think they might negotiate to exchange it with another player to replace him.

Recently I read that they would only let De Jong off for 85 million euros which is the same price they did when they made the transfer and Fabrizio mentioned that United's offer of 60 million plus a bonus of 10 million euros has been rejected by Barcelona.
I think it will be a bit forced if they are still going to release this player at that price because if you look at the performance and age, it's obviously too expensive.

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Quote from: Avirunes on June 11, 2022, 02:56:28 PM

They would have considered Frenkie de Jong as "untouchable" if their financial condition would have been better. United knows their situation and are taking advantage of it as it's a brainer for Barcelona whether they sell De Jong and take the money to bring in the players in their shortlist to improve their weak areas or keep De Jong as he is their crucial player. It's a tough one for Barca.

Selling de Jong will not be profitable for Barcelona. The Barcelona team is stable enough now. I would say the only weakness of Barcelona last season was their weak defense. So if Xavi can keep the midfield and forward players unchanged and strengthen the defense, Barcelona will probably be able to stay at the top of the La Liga points table next season.

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Quote from: Ratash on June 11, 2022, 02:47:48 PM

Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on June 11, 2022, 02:40:09 PM

Manchester United are interested in signing Frenkie de Jong seriously and I guess they will be willing to pay an amount like 80 million euros for him. Barcelona shouldn't miss this big opportunity I think. They desperately need money to fix their financial issues quicker. I know that it is hard to let go a very good midfielder like Frenkie de Jong but there is nothing to do about it. Otherwise they may not be able to sign the players they want in the transfer window. Hopefully they can find another midfielder to fill his place.

I think man united need a player like him he do his job very well defensively and offensively but i don't think barcelona will let him go easily even with 80 million i think they might negotiate to exchange it with another player to replace him.

They would have considered Frenkie de Jong as "untouchable" if their financial condition would have been better. United knows their situation and are taking advantage of it as it's a brainer for Barcelona whether they sell De Jong and take the money to bring in the players in their shortlist to improve their weak areas or keep De Jong as he is their crucial player. It's a tough one for Barca.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on June 11, 2022, 02:40:09 PM

Manchester United are interested in signing Frenkie de Jong seriously and I guess they will be willing to pay an amount like 80 million euros for him. Barcelona shouldn't miss this big opportunity I think. They desperately need money to fix their financial issues quicker. I know that it is hard to let go a very good midfielder like Frenkie de Jong but there is nothing to do about it. Otherwise they may not be able to sign the players they want in the transfer window. Hopefully they can find another midfielder to fill his place.

I think man united need a player like him he do his job very well defensively and offensively but i don't think barcelona will let him go easily even with 80 million i think they might negotiate to exchange it with another player to replace him.

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Manchester United are interested in signing Frenkie de Jong seriously and I guess they will be willing to pay an amount like 80 million euros for him. Barcelona shouldn't miss this big opportunity I think. They desperately need money to fix their financial issues quicker. I know that it is hard to let go a very good midfielder like Frenkie de Jong but there is nothing to do about it. Otherwise they may not be able to sign the players they want in the transfer window. Hopefully they can find another midfielder to fill his place.

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Quote from: DU18 on June 11, 2022, 01:25:44 PM

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Barcelona will have to cut their budget if they want to do well next season without getting further into financial problems. The sale of Frenkie de Jong would help financially, but I think you will miss it in the competition. Xavi has indicated that De Jong is a valuable player, but he has no problem letting him go. Barcelona also has a number of talented youth players at the moment, who could also just be good to compete for the championship.

We have seen if Frenkie de Jong has a very important role in the squad, whether he admits it or not, de Jong is one of the players who has contributed to the rise of Barcelona at this time, of course with the sale of De Jong will indeed make Barcelona financial problems a little better but still lose De Jong will have an effect on Barcelona game later and also Xavi has to go back to work hard to formulate the strategy and line-up they use without de Jong later.
Of course In fact Barcelona have often produced talented young players and many clubs are really interested in these players, but isn't it better to sell these young players even though the price is a little cheaper than having to sell De Jong, who has always had an important position in Barcelona so far?

I thought that de Jong does not have an interest in playing for Barcelona right now and if that is the case it is better for Barcelona and also the player to part ways. Because if a player has decided that he needs to play for other teams he is not going to perform well if he stays in Barcelona.

But if the player wants to stay in Barcelona I think it is another story. If he wants to stay I think it will be really good for Barcelona if they keep him. Obviously selling him is going to make the financial situation a little better but that is going to break the chemistry of the team in my opinion.

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Quote from: jakdanyel on June 11, 2022, 10:52:46 AM

Gareth Bale is leaving Real Madrid very soon and we still don't know what club he is going to join this summer after this. There have been some speculations like he is joining Getafe but I heard that he refuted those rumours. It wouldn't be good to watch him at a team like Getafe too because I don't think he is that much old now. He can still contribute very nicely to the team he goes. People were wondering about Tottenham but they don't seem to have any interest in him currently.

Gareth Bale is still one of the best players. I think we will watch him in the Premier League. Maybe Tottenham or Newcastle United, which is going to a new structure, may have success in signing him. I think he would also want to return to the united kingdom. If these offers are rejected, he may be transferred to one of the USA teams.

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Quote from: Doell on June 11, 2022, 12:53:11 PM

Also there have been another rumors about Bale, reportedly Mourinho might be interested in him joining to Roma, but those news are also just rumours. I'm not sure that's, because the fault lies with the Ukrainian player Yarmolenko, and if he didn't head the ball it could have been saved by Bushchan, we can clearly see where the ball is going.

Yes I also haven't seen any specific news regarding where Bale will land, for now there are only a handful of rumors and it seems the rumors are just interest without any action to pursue and get a deal with him. But I think he is still fit to play in Serie A or return to the Premier League and with a famous team.

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Quote from: MonsterV on June 10, 2022, 04:13:20 PM

Barcelona will have to cut their budget if they want to do well next season without getting further into financial problems. The sale of Frenkie de Jong would help financially, but I think you will miss it in the competition. Xavi has indicated that De Jong is a valuable player, but he has no problem letting him go. Barcelona also has a number of talented youth players at the moment, who could also just be good to compete for the championship.

We have seen if Frenkie de Jong has a very important role in the squad, whether he admits it or not, de Jong is one of the players who has contributed to the rise of Barcelona at this time, of course with the sale of De Jong will indeed make Barcelona financial problems a little better but still lose De Jong will have an effect on Barcelona game later and also Xavi has to go back to work hard to formulate the strategy and line-up they use without de Jong later.
Of course In fact Barcelona have often produced talented young players and many clubs are really interested in these players, but isn't it better to sell these young players even though the price is a little cheaper than having to sell De Jong, who has always had an important position in Barcelona so far?

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Quote from: tulusikhlas on June 11, 2022, 11:11:44 AM

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Gareth Bale is leaving Real Madrid very soon and we still don't know what club he is going to join this summer after this. There have been some speculations like he is joining Getafe but I heard that he refuted those rumours. It wouldn't be good to watch him at a team like Getafe too because I don't think he is that much old now. He can still contribute very nicely to the team he goes. People were wondering about Tottenham but they don't seem to have any interest in him currently.

Seeing Bale at Real Madrid, he was not Ancelotti's first choice, and he was less competitive than other players. But when it comes to quality, I think he still has it, as evidenced by bringing his country back into the World Cup finals.
So his departure from Real Madrid is appropriate, but he must be really needed in his new team, in other words he must be the first choice.

Gareth bale is a great player, but going to Getafe would end his football career before his time. Although he has refuted to that via his Instagram handle or so, Tottenham should go for him, he started with them and was great and when loaned to Tottenham few seasons ago he did mighty and excellent job with them, he's also much more active but doesn't get enough playing time at Real Madrid, I suggest he goes to a team where he would have 60 percent of playing time.

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Quote from: tulusikhlas on June 11, 2022, 11:11:44 AM

Quote from: jakdanyel on June 11, 2022, 10:52:46 AM

Gareth Bale is leaving Real Madrid very soon and we still don't know what club he is going to join this summer after this. There have been some speculations like he is joining Getafe but I heard that he refuted those rumours. It wouldn't be good to watch him at a team like Getafe too because I don't think he is that much old now. He can still contribute very nicely to the team he goes. People were wondering about Tottenham but they don't seem to have any interest in him currently.

Seeing Bale at Real Madrid, he was not Ancelotti's first choice, and he was less competitive than other players. But when it comes to quality, I think he still has it, as evidenced by bringing his country back into the World Cup finals.
So his departure from Real Madrid is appropriate, but he must be really needed in his new team, in other words he must be the first choice.

Also there have been another rumors about Bale, reportedly Mourinho might be interested in him joining to Roma, but those news are also just rumours. I'm not sure that's, because the fault lies with the Ukrainian player Yarmolenko, and if he didn't head the ball it could have been saved by Bushchan, we can clearly see where the ball is going.

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Quote from: MonsterV on June 10, 2022, 04:13:20 PM

Barcelona will have to cut their budget if they want to do well next season without getting further into financial problems. The sale of Frenkie de Jong would help financially, but I think you will miss it in the competition. Xavi has indicated that De Jong is a valuable player, but he has no problem letting him go. Barcelona also has a number of talented youth players at the moment, who could also just be good to compete for the championship.

It would be strange if the sale of valuable players did not reduce the playing ability of the club, but Barcelona must first of all solve their financial problems.
When you talk about young players capable of fighting for the championship, do you mean 2nd or 3rd place in the championship? If not, then I do not understand what your optimism is based on. In a round-robin tournament, the stronger club wins, there are no epic comebacks in separate games (and if there are, they mean nothing).

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Quote from: jakdanyel on June 11, 2022, 10:52:46 AM

Gareth Bale is leaving Real Madrid very soon and we still don't know what club he is going to join this summer after this. There have been some speculations like he is joining Getafe but I heard that he refuted those rumours. It wouldn't be good to watch him at a team like Getafe too because I don't think he is that much old now. He can still contribute very nicely to the team he goes. People were wondering about Tottenham but they don't seem to have any interest in him currently.

Seeing Bale at Real Madrid, he was not Ancelotti's first choice, and he was less competitive than other players. But when it comes to quality, I think he still has it, as evidenced by bringing his country back into the World Cup finals.
So his departure from Real Madrid is appropriate, but he must be really needed in his new team, in other words he must be the first choice.

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Barcelina not have any option right now try keep extended with Frankie de Jong, beside this player still as important midfielder for Barcelona but not have other option with financial crisis faced right now. I think Frankoe de Jong as the moat values player right now for Barcelona and selling him to Manchester United as the only team intersted with him give fresh money for Barcelona can pay player salary. Still on the top performance from Frankie de Jong and have expenaive values I think best moment for Barcelona sell him to Manchester United.

I don't think barcelona sold Frankie de Jong because of the financial crisis like you said, maybe this is like a move to improve the team formation for next season, Xavi needs more potential players than de jong
I'm curious about the selling price of de jong, because barcelona will lose a midfielder and have to find a replacement
How much did Barcelona charge for this one player? Will it cover the finances of bringing in experienced players to fill the void that may be left by de Jong?

Speculation about Frankie de Jong's future is getting hotter in Barcelona, Xavi will consider selling de Jong to Manchester United, because the financial problems Barcelona are currently experiencing are forcing the club to sell de Jong to Manchester United, because since Erik Tan's arrival to Old Trafford de Jong's name is in the spotlight, even Erik Ten has started to pressure the club to buy de Jong at the price offered by Barcelona, now Barca are in a difficult situation, on the one hand they want to keep de Jong, while on the other hand Barca need funds to cover the financial problems they are currently facing.

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Gareth Bale is leaving Real Madrid very soon and we still don't know what club he is going to join this summer after this. There have been some speculations like he is joining Getafe but I heard that he refuted those rumours. It wouldn't be good to watch him at a team like Getafe too because I don't think he is that much old now. He can still contribute very nicely to the team he goes. People were wondering about Tottenham but they don't seem to have any interest in him currently.

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I think Real Madrid will also make a lot of changes next season, the players who have been their mainstay now are getting quite old and their performances could decline a bit. Their trio in midfield will most likely be rotated by combining their young players as well as senior players. But I see the regeneration of players in the Real Madrid team is going well.

You do not make "a lot of" changes to a team that just won the title. They also have young stars in every position if they ever wanted to. Like if we are talking about up front, Vini and rodrygo is there, and midfield we have camavinga and valverde, on defence we have militao and mendy etc etc. It means that, they could repeat the season all over again with exactly the same players.

However, this time around instead of just insisting on playing 30+ year old players, they can play their younger stars a bit more frequently, at least during the season, give them more playing time and keep repeating this until their old ones retire, at which point the young ones would have enough experience.

Yes, the rotation and regeneration of Real Madrid is going well so far and of course, Real Madrid still has a chance to become a title-winning candidate for next season as well. Comparing with rival teams is certainly an advantage for Real Madrid themselves who are already in their best form and what's more, next season Madrid will still have a great squad with the arrival of Antonio Rüdiger in the defense. Therefore, even though some of Real Madrid's key players are old, Real Madrid is basically safe because they are not injured so they can still play to boost the team's performance for good gameplay.

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