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Quote from: Lordhermes on July 14, 2021, 07:17:30 PM

I think the Griezman should go to another league like England to play.I heard once that Mancity is going for him,forcing a move through to another club is ideal for him at the moment because Barca no longer need him in there team,what is important for them now is to make sure Messi signs new contract.

Griezman is no longer young and he might not want to gamble the rest years in his career with a big change to Premier League. I see Griezman can adapt and play well in Premier League but he can also fail with that challenge. With about 4 years with best performance, Griezman might want to find another club in La Liga. If not return to A Madrid, he can choose Real Madrid and reunite with Mbappe there.

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Well, Greizman might want that or perhaps return to an English team Chelsea perhaps but then, one thing I know for sure is; Maybe Greizman didn't meet up with what was expected of him in Barcelona, following his performance back at Atletico Madrid but then, how can you do so well playing in the shadows of Lionel Messi,,, just how can that happen. Neymar Jnr didn't survive it. Even when you do your best, it just won't be good enough. The guy is honoured by seating on the bench alone talk more of being on the pitch. You can only do better or well when your in another team. I really hope he gets to live @Greizman.

Messi, Neymar don't join the Premier League so Griezman might reject that challenge too. Suarez is different because he played in Premier League when he was young, got success there before the transfer to Barcelona and became a legend there.

It is very risky for Messi, Neymar, Griezman to join Premier League when they are no long young.

Last season, James Rodriguez had good debut and the first half of season in Everton. After that, he was exhausted and lost his best performance.

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I disagree with you, Greizmann earns himself close to 800k weekly and i do not believe he is forcing a move. I think Barcelona are just desperately trying to reduce their wage cap (as authorized by la liga laws) so that Messia is allowed to sign a new contract. Another important factor is that Barcelona are offering Griezmann and other players for sale which means they cannot dictate selling fee.
I think Greizmann should return to Atletico in a swap as Barcelona wants Atletico Saul, time will tell

Well, Greizman might want that or perhaps return to an English team Chelsea perhaps but then, one thing I know for sure is; Maybe Greizman didn't meet up with what was expected of him in Barcelona, following his performance back at Atletico Madrid but then, how can you do so well playing in the shadows of Lionel Messi,,, just how can that happen. Neymar Jnr didn't survive it. Even when you do your best, it just won't be good enough. The guy is honoured by seating on the bench alone talk more of being on the pitch. You can only do better or well when your in another team. I really hope he gets to live @Greizman.

I also think that Griezmann's return to Atletico Madrid is a bad idea. Also, according to the idea, the matter may not be limited to one sale of Griezmann, because this deal will not solve all the problems with financial fair play and we need to sell more expensive, and therefore competitive players. All this can affect the competitiveness of the team, and I am not sure that Messi himself would like to weaken the team a lot for the sake of signing a contract and playing in a team that does not claim anything.

I think the Griezman should go to another league like England to play.I heard once that Mancity is going for him,forcing a move through to another club is ideal for him at the moment because Barca no longer need him in there team,what is important for them now is to make sure Messi signs new contract.

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Quote from: youdacapt on July 14, 2021, 08:53:46 AM

I disagree with you, Greizmann earns himself close to 800k weekly and i do not believe he is forcing a move. I think Barcelona are just desperately trying to reduce their wage cap (as authorized by la liga laws) so that Messia is allowed to sign a new contract. Another important factor is that Barcelona are offering Griezmann and other players for sale which means they cannot dictate selling fee.
I think Greizmann should return to Atletico in a swap as Barcelona wants Atletico Saul, time will tell

Well, Greizman might want that or perhaps return to an English team Chelsea perhaps but then, one thing I know for sure is; Maybe Greizman didn't meet up with what was expected of him in Barcelona, following his performance back at Atletico Madrid but then, how can you do so well playing in the shadows of Lionel Messi,,, just how can that happen. Neymar Jnr didn't survive it. Even when you do your best, it just won't be good enough. The guy is honoured by seating on the bench alone talk more of being on the pitch. You can only do better or well when your in another team. I really hope he gets to live @Greizman.

I also think that Griezmann's return to Atletico Madrid is a bad idea. Also, according to the idea, the matter may not be limited to one sale of Griezmann, because this deal will not solve all the problems with financial fair play and we need to sell more expensive, and therefore competitive players. All this can affect the competitiveness of the team, and I am not sure that Messi himself would like to weaken the team a lot for the sake of signing a contract and playing in a team that does not claim anything. The most important thing is that the time for solving financial issues is getting less and less every day and La Liga is not going to make concessions on this issue.

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Quote from: youdacapt on July 14, 2021, 08:53:46 AM

I disagree with you, Greizmann earns himself close to 800k weekly and i do not believe he is forcing a move. I think Barcelona are just desperately trying to reduce their wage cap (as authorized by la liga laws) so that Messia is allowed to sign a new contract. Another important factor is that Barcelona are offering Griezmann and other players for sale which means they cannot dictate selling fee.

I think Greizmann should return to Atletico in a swap as Barcelona wants Atletico Saul, time will tell

Well, Greizman might want that or perhaps return to an English team Chelsea perhaps but then, one thing I know for sure is; Maybe Greizman didn't meet up with what was expected of him in Barcelona, following his performance back at Atletico Madrid but then, how can you do so well playing in the shadows of Lionel Messi,,, just how can that happen. Neymar Jnr didn't survive it. Even when you do your best, it just won't be good enough. The guy is honoured by seating on the bench alone talk more of being on the pitch. You can only do better or well when your in another team. I really hope he gets to live @Greizman.

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Usually when players rejoin their clubs, they end with failures. Shevchenko, Kaka, Fernando Torres and Bale. I don't think if Griezman leaves Barcelona and returns to A Madrid, he will be able to play as good as seasons ago.

Not sure anymore if Greizmann returns to Atletico Madrid can play as well as last season and this will tend to be more and will not get a place in the best position at this time Atletico already have a great striker yes even though Greizmann is still the best in Europe but I'm not sure about the balance he when you come back.

Indeed, this was the wrong decision Greizmann took Barcelona as the best port, even though it did not make his career worse and fortunately he is still young so there is still time to think about where he will land with a calm heart.

If I were any player of Athletico de Madrid willing to move this season or in the near future, I would certainly take the opportunity to do so as soon as possible. Winning La Liga inevitably offers some additional exposure to media and increases the chances when negotiating the contract etc. Greizmann particularly is not a great addition to the team now as they already have a great punch and should be looking at improving the middle game rather than the shooters.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on July 14, 2021, 02:24:25 PM

Well now everything is going well for Barcelona, perhaps winning the Copa América gave the team the go-ahead so that it could renew with Messi, and just when the Argentine was thinking of going to try another team, Barcelona did not let him go.

Barcelona close to announcing Messi contract extension - report

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Lionel Messi’s contract extension at Barcelona could be finally announced shortly, according to multiple reports on Wednesday.

L’Esportiu report that Messi has agreed a five-year deal and a “significant” pay cut. The deal could be announced as early as Thursday or Friday “if there are no last-minute setbacks.”

The report adds there’s a termination clause set at €600 million and La Liga president Javier Tebas has already had a look at the deal and seems pretty happy with it.

Source: https://www.barcablaugranes.com/2021/7/14/22576855/barcelona-close-to-announcing-messi-contract-extension-report

After Aguero's I knew Messi was definitely going to stay, because I was quite sure he facilitated the deal, and since he's already happy after their Copa America triumph, there's no better time to talk about renewal than now.

https://twitter.com/moillorens/status/1415281917063274498?s=21

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on July 14, 2021, 01:20:02 PM

According to rumours, Messi accepted to get half of his old salary and sign a new 5-year contract with Barcelona. I hope this is not true. He played at Barcelona for so many years and I think that should be enough. And as long as he continues to stay here, it doesn't look like he will win the CL title. Barcelona are far away from their old performance. If Messi went to PSG or City, he would win many titles compared to Barcelona.

And there's been some rumours too about PSG that they gave up on Messi as his demands were too high.

PSG Initially wanted to sign Messi, but it seems like Messi never wanted to leave Barcelona, which results to him signing a new 5 years contract with Barcelona. He first joined Barcelona academy in the year 2000, and have been in Barcelona since then. Also have been a blessing to barcelona, he have won 10 La Liga trophy with Barcelona.

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Barcelona and Real Madrid have yet to decide how they want to prepare their team for next season. Real Madrid has yet to buy a player, and Ramos, one of the most important players in their squad, has joined PSG. On the other hand, Barcelona, Aguero, and Depay have been included in the team. I don't think they have the ability to keep Messi and Griezmann on the team.

Until now Madrid have not managed to get a single new player in the transfer market, while their eternal rival, Barcelona has managed to get some new players even though on a free transfer and of course this is a puzzle how Madrid can compete to become champions next season, the loss of Ramos makes the Madrid defense quite fragile at the moment and it is reported that Varane has also decided to leave Madrid, and according to Diario AS (Spanish sports newspaper), the deal between Manchester United and Real Madrid on the transfer of Varane is nearing the end and will be finalized before the 2021/22 season begins.
With the departure of some of Madrid's core players in this year's transfer, of course Madrid need some really good new players for next season.

Real Madrid will not expect a title next season. Their team is completely fragile. It is almost impossible to win the title with such a team. Their forward's only and only skilled striker is Benjema, they has Luka Modrich in midfield. Modrich is talented enough, he has the ability to score goals when the team needs him. But Real's defense will be very weak next season. Real Madrid's defense was completely dependent on Ramos. Because there are very few skilled defenders like him in the world. Varane is talented enough. Real Madrid's defense will be completely shattered if he leaves Real too.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on July 14, 2021, 02:24:25 PM

Barcelona close to announcing Messi contract extension - report
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After the last incident was resolved between Messi and the administration, we are pretty sure that Messi will continue his career in Barca before retiring somewhere else.
To resume, the problem is not to renew the contract of Messi or not but how to do it with less damage to the team, ie get ride of some players including Griezmann while recruiting others.

Edit: here is the link about the 5 year contract and the negotiations about swapping Griezmann with Saul Niguez (ATM).
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jul/14/lionel-messi-agrees-new-five-year-contract-to-stay-with-barcelona

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Quote from: abhiseshakana on July 14, 2021, 01:25:11 PM

Quote from: youdacapt on July 14, 2021, 08:53:46 AM

I disagree with you, Greizmann earns himself close to 800k weekly and i do not believe he is forcing a move. I think Barcelona are just desperately trying to reduce their wage cap (as authorized by la liga laws) so that Messia is allowed to sign a new contract. Another important factor is that Barcelona are offering Griezmann and other players for sale which means they cannot dictate selling fee.

Last season, Antoine Griezmann had the highest salary under Messi. If on a new contract Messi is willing to be paid a salary reduced by 50%, then Antoine Griezmann becomes the player with the most expensive salary at Barcelona. To comply with La Liga's financial fair play rules, Barcelona should earn new revenue or reduce its expenses. Since Barcelona has chosen to extend Messi's contract, one of their best options is to sell Griezmann or loan him out to reduce their wage cap.

Griezmann is not very successful in Barcelona. He did not perform as well as Barcelona had hoped. In this situation, Barcelona is not interested in keeping Griezmann in the team by paying so much salary. Aguero could be included in the squad as a replacement for Griezmann.

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Well now everything is going well for Barcelona, perhaps winning the Copa América gave the team the go-ahead so that it could renew with Messi, and just when the Argentine was thinking of going to try another team, Barcelona did not let him go.

Barcelona close to announcing Messi contract extension - report

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Lionel Messi’s contract extension at Barcelona could be finally announced shortly, according to multiple reports on Wednesday.

L’Esportiu report that Messi has agreed a five-year deal and a “significant” pay cut. The deal could be announced as early as Thursday or Friday “if there are no last-minute setbacks.”

The report adds there’s a termination clause set at €600 million and La Liga president Javier Tebas has already had a look at the deal and seems pretty happy with it.

Source: https://www.barcablaugranes.com/2021/7/14/22576855/barcelona-close-to-announcing-messi-contract-extension-report

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Quote from: youdacapt on July 14, 2021, 08:53:46 AM

I disagree with you, Greizmann earns himself close to 800k weekly and i do not believe he is forcing a move. I think Barcelona are just desperately trying to reduce their wage cap (as authorized by la liga laws) so that Messia is allowed to sign a new contract. Another important factor is that Barcelona are offering Griezmann and other players for sale which means they cannot dictate selling fee.

Last season, Antoine Griezmann had the highest salary under Messi. If on a new contract Messi is willing to be paid a salary reduced by 50%, then Antoine Griezmann becomes the player with the most expensive salary at Barcelona. To comply with La Liga's financial fair play rules, Barcelona should earn new revenue or reduce its expenses. Since Barcelona has chosen to extend Messi's contract, one of their best options is to sell Griezmann or loan him out to reduce their wage cap.

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According to rumours, Messi accepted to get half of his old salary and sign a new 5-year contract with Barcelona. I hope this is not true. He played at Barcelona for so many years and I think that should be enough. And as long as he continues to stay here, it doesn't look like he will win the CL title. Barcelona are far away from their old performance. If Messi went to PSG or City, he would win many titles compared to Barcelona.

And there's been some rumours too about PSG that they gave up on Messi as his demands were too high.

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We know in advance about Ramos who is being talked about, but next season there is something even more surprising I think. Yes, it was about Messi, even after I checked the Barcelona squad for next season it turned out that Messi was no longer in the Barcelona squad list. I will be even more surprised if PSG can also bring in Messi in their squad next season after taking Ramos, at least that's the information I got about Messi and PSG being a very rich team.

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Quote from: Harkorede on July 14, 2021, 11:12:56 AM

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Quote from: hd49728 on July 14, 2021, 09:20:16 AM

Usually when players rejoin their clubs, they end with failures. Shevchenko, Kaka, Fernando Torres and Bale. I don't think if Griezman leaves Barcelona and returns to A Madrid, he will be able to play as good as seasons ago.

Not sure anymore if Greizmann returns to Atletico Madrid can play as well as last season and this will tend to be more and will not get a place in the best position at this time Atletico already have a great striker yes even though Greizmann is still the best in Europe but I'm not sure about the balance he when you come back.

Indeed, this was the wrong decision Greizmann took Barcelona as the best port, even though it did not make his career worse and fortunately he is still young so there is still time to think about where he will land with a calm heart.

Joining Barcelona was a bad decision for not just Greizmann, but for Barcelona as well. Barcelona might still end up being the bigger loser should Greizmann return to Atletico Madrid:

As for Greizmann, I think he'll still slot right into the system and since Diego Simeone is still in charge of the club, I don't see much of a problem for him.

Greizmann has been a bit overvalued after his exploit in Madrid: certainly the Griezmann seen there cannot be even compared with the one who is now playing for Barça. He might get better again but need to find new stimuli first for himself and then for his team.
His market value dropped from the already mentioned €150m (way overvalued) to 60m (reasonable but very high today) for a reason. Still I do not know if going back to Madrid could be the right move, better to move away from Spain (Italy or the UK).

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Quote from: Raflesia on July 14, 2021, 09:39:22 AM

Quote from: hd49728 on July 14, 2021, 09:20:16 AM

Usually when players rejoin their clubs, they end with failures. Shevchenko, Kaka, Fernando Torres and Bale. I don't think if Griezman leaves Barcelona and returns to A Madrid, he will be able to play as good as seasons ago.

Not sure anymore if Greizmann returns to Atletico Madrid can play as well as last season and this will tend to be more and will not get a place in the best position at this time Atletico already have a great striker yes even though Greizmann is still the best in Europe but I'm not sure about the balance he when you come back.

Indeed, this was the wrong decision Greizmann took Barcelona as the best port, even though it did not make his career worse and fortunately he is still young so there is still time to think about where he will land with a calm heart.

Joining Barcelona was a bad decision for not just Greizmann, but for Barcelona as well. Barcelona might still end up being the bigger loser should Greizmann return to Atletico Madrid:

As for Greizmann, I think he'll still slot right into the system and since Diego Simeone is still in charge of the club, I don't see much of a problem for him.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on July 14, 2021, 10:38:04 AM

Barcelona and Real Madrid have yet to decide how they want to prepare their team for next season. Real Madrid has yet to buy a player, and Ramos, one of the most important players in their squad, has joined PSG. On the other hand, Barcelona, Aguero, and Depay have been included in the team. I don't think they have the ability to keep Messi and Griezmann on the team.

Until now Madrid have not managed to get a single new player in the transfer market, while their eternal rival, Barcelona has managed to get some new players even though on a free transfer and of course this is a puzzle how Madrid can compete to become champions next season, the loss of Ramos makes the Madrid defense quite fragile at the moment and it is reported that Varane has also decided to leave Madrid, and according to Diario AS (Spanish sports newspaper), the deal between Manchester United and Real Madrid on the transfer of Varane is nearing the end and will be finalized before the 2021/22 season begins.
With the departure of some of Madrid's core players in this year's transfer, of course Madrid need some really good new players for next season.

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Between Dembele,Coutinho,and Antone Griezman,one of them must depart Barcelona this season due to the arrival of Aguero and Delay.But among all those players tipped to leave the club this summer,Griezman's sale is one that I don't think Barca coach will consider,because he knows the impact of the lad on the pitch.

In my opinion, one of the players that Barcelona might let go is Antoine Griezmann because currently there are two clubs interested in bringing Griezmann (Chelsea and Atletico Madrid). Barcelona needs income (or reduces their expenses) so if the offer for Griezmann is worth it, I think Barcelona will let Griezmann go.

Griezmann himself also seems ready to leave Barcelona, so there is no reason for Barcelona to keep Griezmann when they need a lot of income in order to meet La Liga's financial fair play rules.

I disagree with you, Greizmann earns himself close to 800k weekly and i do not believe he is forcing a move. I think Barcelona are just desperately trying to reduce their wage cap (as authorized by la liga laws) so that Messia is allowed to sign a new contract. Another important factor is that Barcelona are offering Griezmann and other players for sale which means they cannot dictate selling fee.

I think Greizmann should return to Atletico in a swap as Barcelona wants Atletico Saul, time will tell

Barcelona and Real Madrid have yet to decide how they want to prepare their team for next season. Real Madrid has yet to buy a player, and Ramos, one of the most important players in their squad, has joined PSG. On the other hand, Barcelona, Aguero, and Depay have been included in the team. I don't think they have the ability to keep Messi and Griezmann on the team.

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Quote from: hd49728 on July 14, 2021, 09:20:16 AM

Usually when players rejoin their clubs, they end with failures. Shevchenko, Kaka, Fernando Torres and Bale. I don't think if Griezman leaves Barcelona and returns to A Madrid, he will be able to play as good as seasons ago.

Not sure anymore if Greizmann returns to Atletico Madrid can play as well as last season and this will tend to be more and will not get a place in the best position at this time Atletico already have a great striker yes even though Greizmann is still the best in Europe but I'm not sure about the balance he when you come back.

Indeed, this was the wrong decision Greizmann took Barcelona as the best port, even though it did not make his career worse and fortunately he is still young so there is still time to think about where he will land with a calm heart.

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Quote from: youdacapt on July 14, 2021, 08:53:46 AM

I disagree with you, Greizmann earns himself close to 800k weekly and i do not believe he is forcing a move. I think Barcelona are just desperately trying to reduce their wage cap (as authorized by la liga laws) so that Messia is allowed to sign a new contract. Another important factor is that Barcelona are offering Griezmann and other players for sale which means they cannot dictate selling fee.

I think Greizmann should return to Atletico in a swap as Barcelona wants Atletico Saul, time will tell

Griezman made a bad decision to leave Atletico Madrid and joined Barcelona. He could become a legend in A Madrid and has a better career there rather than struggling to find a solid position in Barcelona squad.

Euro 2020 shows us that Griezman does not lose his best. What he need is a squad in which he can feel comfortable with and play with fun. He is still at top level in the Europe and La Liga.

Usually when players rejoin their clubs, they end with failures. Shevchenko, Kaka, Fernando Torres and Bale. I don't think if Griezman leaves Barcelona and returns to A Madrid, he will be able to play as good as seasons ago.

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