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I don't know who is happier Bale, Zidane, Real Madrid or spurs.
Bale to move or exactly to return to Tottenham on loan which I find as the best option for everyone. We will see if he could add something to the club or not. source
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In this side, Ronaldo is much more successful than Messi. Cristiano Ronaldo scored 101 goals in 165 international appearances (from Wikipedia).
On the other hand, Lionel Messi scored 70 goals in 138 international appearances (from Wikipedia).

Messi gives more passes to his teammates. Ronaldo is more focused on goal than Messi. Perhaps this is the difference between the number of goals.
International games are different from leagues ones... In Europe tournaments qualifications for example there is plenty weak teams, way weaker than Portugal. At the opposite Conmebol teams are way better. Argentina squad weren't successful too in many games which made the gap bigger between CR7 and Messi. 
The Argentina national team is much stronger than Portugal. If Ronaldo had the same teammates as Messi, I am sure he would become the world champion.And it cannot be said that there are so many weak teams in Europe.
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International games are different from leagues ones... In Europe tournaments qualifications for example there is plenty weak teams, way weaker than Portugal. At the opposite Conmebol teams are way better. Argentina squad weren't successful too in many games which made the gap bigger between CR7 and Messi. 
Good point. It's correct to compare Messi and Ronaldo at this aspect. In Europe there is lot of weak teams like Andorra, San Marino and etc - it'd easy opportunity to score lot of goals. While in South America there is just 10 countries. Bolivia and Venezuela is probably weakest, but they wouldn't be last in European qualifiers.
Also, South American teams play much less international games, they don't have competitions like Nations league, there is also no qualifiers to Copa America.
It would be better to compare how many goals they have scored in World Cup and EURO/Copa America.
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In this side, Ronaldo is much more successful than Messi. Cristiano Ronaldo scored 101 goals in 165 international appearances (from Wikipedia).
On the other hand, Lionel Messi scored 70 goals in 138 international appearances (from Wikipedia).

Messi gives more passes to his teammates. Ronaldo is more focused on goal than Messi. Perhaps this is the difference between the number of goals.
International games are different from leagues ones... In Europe tournaments qualifications for example there is plenty weak teams, way weaker than Portugal. At the opposite Conmebol teams are way better. Argentina squad weren't successful too in many games which made the gap bigger between CR7 and Messi. 
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In this side, Ronaldo is much more successful than Messi. Cristiano Ronaldo scored 101 goals in 165 international appearances (from Wikipedia).
On the other hand, Lionel Messi scored 70 goals in 138 international appearances (from Wikipedia).

Messi gives more passes to his teammates. Ronaldo is more focused on goal than Messi. Perhaps this is the difference between the number of goals.
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any player depends on his teammates. no matter how great the player would be, but without partners he is nothing. Messi cannot decide the fate of a match alone, especially against strong opponents.
I agree but there are levels to that. Messi just gives up when his mates stop feeding him. CR7 is never loses his passion no matter how shitty his team is. He always tries to bite the enemy.
Such is the difference between Messi and Ronaldo. I agree, Messi is nothing without his other teammates. As long as his teammates can't provide lots of good passes or bad teamwork. Then Messi is nothing at Barcelona, if only hope for individual skills.
We all know that Messi is one of the best players in this era. He has some incredible skill, which is not in anyone else. But I am agreed with you that, Messi is dependent on his teammate. But Ronaldo is not like that. He is like 'one-man army”. Whatever the team, he always gives his best afford from his place.
I don't completely agree with you.
Messi is not one of the greatest footballers today but the best footballer to play today.
 Argentina and Barcelona with Messi and without him are not the same team, he makes the team and players better.
Messi doesn't depend on the team and the players but they depend on him.
Another question is how good it's for both Barcelona and Argentina.

You told that the players are dependent on Messi. I agree with you. And it is a big problem. Players are thought that, they have a skillful player like Messi. And Messi will bring victory for the team. And so, they do not afford enough from their own position. I can show the Argentina team as an example of this. You have to admit, Messi is a successful player in Barcelona, but he is not so successful in the Argentina team.

In this side, Ronaldo is much more successful than Messi. Cristiano Ronaldo scored 101 goals in 165 international appearances (from Wikipedia).
On the other hand, Lionel Messi scored 70 goals in 138 international appearances (from Wikipedia).
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any player depends on his teammates. no matter how great the player would be, but without partners he is nothing. Messi cannot decide the fate of a match alone, especially against strong opponents.

I agree but there are levels to that. Messi just gives up when his mates stop feeding him. CR7 is never loses his passion no matter how shitty his team is. He always tries to bite the enemy.

Such is the difference between Messi and Ronaldo. I agree, Messi is nothing without his other teammates. As long as his teammates can't provide lots of good passes or bad teamwork. Then Messi is nothing at Barcelona, if only hope for individual skills.
We all know that Messi is one of the best players in this era. He has some incredible skill, which is not in anyone else. But I am agreed with you that, Messi is dependent on his teammate. But Ronaldo is not like that. He is like 'one-man army”. Whatever the team, he always gives his best afford from his place.

I don't completely agree with you.
Messi is not one of the greatest footballers today but the best footballer to play today.
 Argentina and Barcelona with Messi and without him are not the same team, he makes the team and players better.
Messi doesn't depend on the team and the players but they depend on him.
Another question is how good it's for both Barcelona and Argentina.


Messi depends on the team as well as the team on him. If it were not so, Messi alone could have won all the cups in the last 10 years. But alas, Roma, Liverpool have proved that one player does not solve anything. And he needs the support of all teams.
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any player depends on his teammates. no matter how great the player would be, but without partners he is nothing. Messi cannot decide the fate of a match alone, especially against strong opponents.

I agree but there are levels to that. Messi just gives up when his mates stop feeding him. CR7 is never loses his passion no matter how shitty his team is. He always tries to bite the enemy.

Such is the difference between Messi and Ronaldo. I agree, Messi is nothing without his other teammates. As long as his teammates can't provide lots of good passes or bad teamwork. Then Messi is nothing at Barcelona, if only hope for individual skills.
We all know that Messi is one of the best players in this era. He has some incredible skill, which is not in anyone else. But I am agreed with you that, Messi is dependent on his teammate. But Ronaldo is not like that. He is like 'one-man army”. Whatever the team, he always gives his best afford from his place.

I don't completely agree with you.
Messi is not one of the greatest footballers today but the best footballer to play today.
 Argentina and Barcelona with Messi and without him are not the same team, he makes the team and players better.
Messi doesn't depend on the team and the players but they depend on him.
Another question is how good it's for both Barcelona and Argentina.

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any player depends on his teammates. no matter how great the player would be, but without partners he is nothing. Messi cannot decide the fate of a match alone, especially against strong opponents.

I agree but there are levels to that. Messi just gives up when his mates stop feeding him. CR7 is never loses his passion no matter how shitty his team is. He always tries to bite the enemy.

Such is the difference between Messi and Ronaldo. I agree, Messi is nothing without his other teammates. As long as his teammates can't provide lots of good passes or bad teamwork. Then Messi is nothing at Barcelona, if only hope for individual skills.
We all know that Messi is one of the best players in this era. He has some incredible skill, which is not in anyone else. But I am agreed with you that, Messi is dependent on his teammate. But Ronaldo is not like that. He is like 'one-man army”. Whatever the team, he always gives his best afford from his place.
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any player depends on his teammates. no matter how great the player would be, but without partners he is nothing. Messi cannot decide the fate of a match alone, especially against strong opponents.

I agree but there are levels to that. Messi just gives up when his mates stop feeding him. CR7 is never loses his passion no matter how shitty his team is. He always tries to bite the enemy.

Such is the difference between Messi and Ronaldo. I agree, Messi is nothing without his other teammates. As long as his teammates can't provide lots of good passes or bad teamwork. Then Messi is nothing at Barcelona, if only hope for individual skills.
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any player depends on his teammates. no matter how great the player would be, but without partners he is nothing. Messi cannot decide the fate of a match alone, especially against strong opponents.

I agree but there are levels to that. Messi just gives up when his mates stop feeding him. CR7 is never loses his passion no matter how shitty his team is. He always tries to bite the enemy.
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no matter how great the player would be, but without partners he is nothing. Messi cannot decide the fate of a match alone, especially against strong opponents.
You are right. To win a match, especially in a tight match, the whole team should play solidly and work well together. We must know that Messi is still a human, not a machine. Even he has everything to lead his team to win, but he cannot play with his best performance every time. There is time that he is not in his best performance or may play with a bad mood. In this situation, the team cannot rely on Messi.

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It seems to me that Messi will show a phenomenal performance in the upcoming season. And this will be his farewell gift to all Barcelona fans. If the team supports him, then Barcelona can win both the Championship and the Spanish Cup, or maybe take the Champions League.

Even if he does that, we all know Messi isn't Maradona or R9 who can carry the team by himself. If he won't have any good players and a fine coach to order them, Messi won't be able to do anything. See how he did with the national team of Argentina when he plays with bad players.

Messi isn't mentally strong enough to handle that kind of stuff.
any player depends on his teammates. no matter how great the player would be, but without partners he is nothing. Messi cannot decide the fate of a match alone, especially against strong opponents.
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Bayern's goalscorer when the UCL quarter-finals returned from his loan, we remember he scored two goals and this added to Barca's pain at the time and I think that will stick around until later. Coutinho's comeback is likely to upset him a bit because the jersey number he usually wears is given to Griezmann. Griezmann also looks happy because it is his favorite jersey number.

Source: https://twitter.com/AntoGriezmann
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Also Barcelona doesn’t wish to spend much now because Koeman only has time till March, because once the elections take place, and if the opposition candidate wins then he’ll be sacking Koeman, therefore spending too much money on transfers now doesn’t make sense from their point of view.

If koeman does great and changes a Barcelona team which many thought was the worst in a very long time, with Barcelona having a rich history of good football. Opposition wining the election will go for what is good for the club and if koeman is that man then they will support/stick to him,
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12/09 is when the season starts...
I have noticed that the Spanish league transfer market this season is nothing special and Messi did not leave Barca. btw, I will always support Real Madrid.

Indeed, the transfer market this season is not very interesting for the Spanish league. If only, Messi left Barca this season. Maybe it will make a scene. But unfortunately only issues and issues.

@qomarian95 I believe that this is the calm before the storm, because in the next summer transfer window both the teams will spend big and buy top class player’s.

Also Barcelona doesn’t wish to spend much now because Koeman only has time till March, because once the elections take place, and if the opposition candidate wins then he’ll be sacking Koeman, therefore spending too much money on transfers now doesn’t make sense from their point of view.

Furthermore Real Madrid want Mbappé and Pogba and both of them are not available this year, hence they’re saving their money for next year’s transfer window to purchase them.

Sources:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8642407/Ronald-Koeman-facing-Barcelona-AXE-presidential-candidate-Victor-Font-wanting-Xavi.html

https://www.transfermarkt.us/real-madrid-want-pogba-and-camavinga-in-the-summer-mbappe-offer-only-in-2021/view/news/359267

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12/09 is when the season starts...
I have noticed that the Spanish league transfer market this season is nothing special and Messi did not leave Barca. btw, I will always support Real Madrid.

Indeed, the transfer market this season is not very interesting for the Spanish league. If only, Messi left Barca this season. Maybe it will make a scene. But unfortunately only issues and issues.
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La Liga season started today. While Real, Barca, Sevilla, Atletico, Getafe and Elche skip first round, 3 games were played today. All of them ended without big surprises, but all were too tricky to bet for me. 4 more games on Sunday, including Valencia derby.
Cholo Simeone has been found positive for the COVID...

The whole teams should now be in quarantine and they probably skip their 1s turn (20-09-2019)
I'm not sure that they are going to skip their first game. According to Covid -19 rules, La Liga allows to postpone only one game through the whole season because of positive virus cases in the team:
https://en.as.com/en/2020/09/06/football/1599401223_040422.html
So, if they won't find much more infected players and staff in the team, it's most likely that Atletico are going to play next weekend and Simeone will be replaced by his assistant.
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Cholo Simeone has been found positive for the COVID...

The whole teams should now be in quarantine and they probably skip their 1s turn (20-09-2019)
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Is Real just changing their club policy and ending their relationship with Jorge Mendes?
The overview of their relationship is magnificent: Nine players and 484m euros worth of transfers in 13 years!
Has this great relationship finally come to an end?
Source: https://www.marca.com/en/football/real-madrid/2020/09/12/5f5c072c268e3e62058b45f4.html
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