La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 - page 4448.

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Quote from: 3meek on September 18, 2020, 06:13:35 AM

Ronaldo plays alone, and as have already said, he constantly shoots a penalty, so the statistics of the goals he scored are more than Messi...
Leonel plays technical and team soccer, and does not try to drag all the glory on himself!

Scoring penalties is both easy and hard at the same time.

It is like one of these situations when you fight somebody that's a lot weaker than you. If you win against an old man, you beat an old man. If you lose, then you lost against an old man.

Everybody says it is easy to score goals shooting penalties but the history is full of players that missed their shoots.

If a player can't shoot a penalty properly, I believe he should have no place in today's football world anyway.

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Ronaldo plays alone, and as have already said, he constantly shoots a penalty, so the statistics of the goals he scored are more than Messi...
Leonel plays technical and team soccer, and does not try to drag all the glory on himself!

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Quote from: kassex on September 16, 2020, 12:49:42 PM

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In this side, Ronaldo is much more successful than Messi. Cristiano Ronaldo scored 101 goals in 165 international appearances (from Wikipedia).
On the other hand, Lionel Messi scored 70 goals in 138 international appearances (from Wikipedia).

Messi gives more passes to his teammates. Ronaldo is more focused on goal than Messi. Perhaps this is the difference between the number of goals.

Also, Ronaldo has always been the penalty taker if I remember well, whereas Messi has only recently (relatively anyway) been given the same role in his team. Ronaldo is called Penaldo if you remember and yes, a goal is a goal, but when it comes to penalties, it's basically 80% a goal.

Messi is an assister, a scorer and a creator. I know I say this as a Barca fan but the statistics have been made and Messi really is more than an individual but a team player.

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Quote from: Smartvirus on September 17, 2020, 11:03:48 AM

Quote from: snipie on September 17, 2020, 10:44:21 AM

I don't know who is happier Bale, Zidane, Real Madrid or spurs.
Bale to move or exactly to return to Tottenham on loan which I find as the best option for everyone. We will see if he could add something to the club or not. source

Your comment seems a bit controversial, at first, it almost felt like he won't be missed but after reading the loan part, it felt like you've still got a string attached as concerns him living the team.
At times like this, a lot of us might seem to forget the contributions of the players to the team. Let's not forget Gareth Bale's phenomenal goal at the last two UEFA champions league game final. Gareth Bale is clearly a talented player and him living the team, I'm not so sure would be an edge to Real Madrid but I'm sure it will be for spurs.

Well no one can deny his contribution to Real Madrid during his first years but lately he wasn't in his best form + the awful relationship between him and Zidane made things very toxic in Madrid, without mentioning his childish reactions when his teammates were playing. So getting ride of him for 1 season is good for both sides, less money to spend for Real + for Bale, proving himself. For the loan part instead of selling him, well there will be a remaining year 2021/2022 for his contract with Real Madrid so the situation that year will depends from his performance in the current season and whether Zidane will remain for another year or not.

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In this side, Ronaldo is much more successful than Messi. Cristiano Ronaldo scored 101 goals in 165 international appearances (from Wikipedia).
On the other hand, Lionel Messi scored 70 goals in 138 international appearances (from Wikipedia).

Messi gives more passes to his teammates. Ronaldo is more focused on goal than Messi. Perhaps this is the difference between the number of goals.

International games are different from leagues ones... In Europe tournaments qualifications for example there is plenty weak teams, way weaker than Portugal. At the opposite Conmebol teams are way better. Argentina squad weren't successful too in many games which made the gap bigger between CR7 and Messi.

The Argentina national team is much stronger than Portugal. If Ronaldo had the same teammates as Messi, I am sure he would become the world champion.And it cannot be said that there are so many weak teams in Europe.

That was exactly my point but according to the Messi fanboys Messi always has an excuse for being on the losing side while R7 is a natural born winner no matter what team he is playing in.

You either have the best of the best players in your team and add Messi on top of it and hope for the best because things may not go as you wanted them to be, or you just avoid Messi completely because it is just safer (and cheaper) to do so.

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Quote from: kassex on September 16, 2020, 12:49:42 PM

Messi gives more passes to his teammates. Ronaldo is more focused on goal than Messi. Perhaps this is the difference between the number of goals.

Surely a variation exists between these two (Lionel Messi and Christiano Ronaldo) that has set the odds for young talented players these days.
Despite the difference in tactics, what matters is result. Which ever tactics seems to produce desired results assures the team of three points and wins the game.
Lionel Messi's challenge in international games is his team mates as he is not able to coordinate and make him the reference point instead, he's team mates become his compitition. These is rather an advantage to Ronaldo being relied on by the entire Portugal team and his eyes for results knows no bounds.

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Quote from: snipie on September 17, 2020, 10:44:21 AM

I don't know who is happier Bale, Zidane, Real Madrid or spurs.
Bale to move or exactly to return to Tottenham on loan which I find as the best option for everyone. We will see if he could add something to the club or not. source

Your comment seems a bit controversial, at first, it almost felt like he won't be missed but after reading the loan part, it felt like you've still got a string attached as concerns him living the team.
At times like this, a lot of us might seem to forget the contributions of the players to the team. Let's not forget Gareth Bale's phenomenal goal at the last two UEFA champions league game final. Gareth Bale is clearly a talented player and him living the team, I'm not so sure would be an edge to Real Madrid but I'm sure it will be for spurs.

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I don't know who is happier Bale, Zidane, Real Madrid or spurs.
Bale to move or exactly to return to Tottenham on loan which I find as the best option for everyone. We will see if he could add something to the club or not. source

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Quote from: snipie on September 16, 2020, 04:19:32 PM

Quote from: kassex on September 16, 2020, 12:49:42 PM

Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on September 15, 2020, 11:18:35 AM

In this side, Ronaldo is much more successful than Messi. Cristiano Ronaldo scored 101 goals in 165 international appearances (from Wikipedia).
On the other hand, Lionel Messi scored 70 goals in 138 international appearances (from Wikipedia).

Messi gives more passes to his teammates. Ronaldo is more focused on goal than Messi. Perhaps this is the difference between the number of goals.

International games are different from leagues ones... In Europe tournaments qualifications for example there is plenty weak teams, way weaker than Portugal. At the opposite Conmebol teams are way better. Argentina squad weren't successful too in many games which made the gap bigger between CR7 and Messi.

The Argentina national team is much stronger than Portugal. If Ronaldo had the same teammates as Messi, I am sure he would become the world champion.And it cannot be said that there are so many weak teams in Europe.

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Quote from: snipie on September 16, 2020, 04:19:32 PM

International games are different from leagues ones... In Europe tournaments qualifications for example there is plenty weak teams, way weaker than Portugal. At the opposite Conmebol teams are way better. Argentina squad weren't successful too in many games which made the gap bigger between CR7 and Messi.

Good point. It's correct to compare Messi and Ronaldo at this aspect. In Europe there is lot of weak teams like Andorra, San Marino and etc - it'd easy opportunity to score lot of goals. While in South America there is just 10 countries. Bolivia and Venezuela is probably weakest, but they wouldn't be last in European qualifiers.
Also, South American teams play much less international games, they don't have competitions like Nations league, there is also no qualifiers to Copa America.
It would be better to compare how many goals they have scored in World Cup and EURO/Copa America.

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Quote from: kassex on September 16, 2020, 12:49:42 PM

Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on September 15, 2020, 11:18:35 AM

In this side, Ronaldo is much more successful than Messi. Cristiano Ronaldo scored 101 goals in 165 international appearances (from Wikipedia).
On the other hand, Lionel Messi scored 70 goals in 138 international appearances (from Wikipedia).

Messi gives more passes to his teammates. Ronaldo is more focused on goal than Messi. Perhaps this is the difference between the number of goals.

International games are different from leagues ones... In Europe tournaments qualifications for example there is plenty weak teams, way weaker than Portugal. At the opposite Conmebol teams are way better. Argentina squad weren't successful too in many games which made the gap bigger between CR7 and Messi.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on September 15, 2020, 11:18:35 AM

In this side, Ronaldo is much more successful than Messi. Cristiano Ronaldo scored 101 goals in 165 international appearances (from Wikipedia).
On the other hand, Lionel Messi scored 70 goals in 138 international appearances (from Wikipedia).

Messi gives more passes to his teammates. Ronaldo is more focused on goal than Messi. Perhaps this is the difference between the number of goals.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on September 15, 2020, 01:26:24 AM

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Quote from: kassex on September 13, 2020, 12:18:29 PM

any player depends on his teammates. no matter how great the player would be, but without partners he is nothing. Messi cannot decide the fate of a match alone, especially against strong opponents.

I agree but there are levels to that. Messi just gives up when his mates stop feeding him. CR7 is never loses his passion no matter how shitty his team is. He always tries to bite the enemy.

Such is the difference between Messi and Ronaldo. I agree, Messi is nothing without his other teammates. As long as his teammates can't provide lots of good passes or bad teamwork. Then Messi is nothing at Barcelona, if only hope for individual skills.

We all know that Messi is one of the best players in this era. He has some incredible skill, which is not in anyone else. But I am agreed with you that, Messi is dependent on his teammate. But Ronaldo is not like that. He is like 'one-man army”. Whatever the team, he always gives his best afford from his place.

I don't completely agree with you.
Messi is not one of the greatest footballers today but the best footballer to play today.
Argentina and Barcelona with Messi and without him are not the same team, he makes the team and players better.
Messi doesn't depend on the team and the players but they depend on him.
Another question is how good it's for both Barcelona and Argentina.

You told that the players are dependent on Messi. I agree with you. And it is a big problem. Players are thought that, they have a skillful player like Messi. And Messi will bring victory for the team. And so, they do not afford enough from their own position. I can show the Argentina team as an example of this. You have to admit, Messi is a successful player in Barcelona, but he is not so successful in the Argentina team.

In this side, Ronaldo is much more successful than Messi. Cristiano Ronaldo scored 101 goals in 165 international appearances (from Wikipedia).
On the other hand, Lionel Messi scored 70 goals in 138 international appearances (from Wikipedia).

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