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Quote from: andycarrol on January 14, 2020, 02:17:57 AM

there is a possibility he became a coach of Barcelona just because of 1 win at Camp Nou

If I remember correctly, Valverde was also the coach of Atletic Bilbao when they defeated Barcelona in the Spanish super cup, although I'm not sure if this could have has an effect on his appointment. In his defense has was prominent for grooming young talents and with the la Masia losing a couple of talents, we needed a coach who would integrate the youth team into the main team.
He was a gamble which didn't stick, Setién is also a gamble. His other qualities would be his football policy similar to that of Barcelona.

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Quote from: Furious 7 on January 14, 2020, 09:41:30 PM

Barcelona officially dismissed the coach Valverde, the position of Valverde was replaced by Quiquie Setien, hopefully with the new coach can bring Barcelona back to play its old game because it is very much awaited by its fans.
This week Barcelona will face Granada with its new coach and we will see how the match will be in the style of a new coach.

Don't expect some big changes in such short time.
After all, Valverde had good results and Barcelona is still leading club in La Liga but obviously good results are not enough when you lead club as Barcelona 😁
New coach don't have experience with such big clubs like Barcelona and I'm not sure if he will have enough authority.
Main problem with Barcelona is that usually 2 or 3 players never play in defense and don't care about this aspect of the match.
When Barcelona play with weaker clubs it's no so big problem but in CL last 2 seasons, in the matches with Roma and Liverpool we could see all the problems Barcelona have.
Also they depend to much on Messi.
I don't think that new coach can solve this problems or change anything.

It's a fresh air for vidal, he might would given a chance to perform replacing rakitic... under the new coach .

There's a big risk when he changing 50% of the current Barcelona winning team, changing the way team playing is the key not the players.
Valverde out is the thing that Barcelona fans waiting for long , people get tired of his playing style.

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Quote from: swogerino on January 15, 2020, 02:49:57 AM

Quote from: Furious 7 on January 14, 2020, 09:41:30 PM

Barcelona officially dismissed the coach Valverde, the position of Valverde was replaced by Quiquie Setien, hopefully with the new coach can bring Barcelona back to play its old game because it is very much awaited by its fans.
This week Barcelona will face Granada with its new coach and we will see how the match will be in the style of a new coach.

First the new coach has to know the ambient,the players and their way of doing things.He needs at least 1-2 months of time before he can show us his changes applied to Barcelona way of playing.Also Barcelona stick to their thinking and didn’t choose Pochetino as their manager.

It really needs a new adaptation to get to know the Barcelona players what game they should want and that must be followed because Barcelona players always have their own way it's just that in the affairs of a coach's business.
Maybe Pochetino was not chosen because that was not their criterion, so they chose the others according to those who deserved to be manager of Barcelona

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Quote from: kceekcee on January 14, 2020, 03:09:59 PM

Valverde was bullied out of barcelona, perhaps because he doesnt talk much.
His made poor decisions like any other coach, but he has done a fantastic job.

Bullied you say, how was he, he was hired by his employees and they can terminate his appointment as long as all the agreements are met. If he talks much or not, it doesn't affect his job, as long as he's doing his job well, he could be even dumb and Barcelona would not care.

Valverde did not do a fantastic job imo, it is not even about his decision making, he just wasn't the perfect coach for this team, he didn't have their philosophy, Barcelona needed to rediscover themselves and that's why valverde was relieved of his duty as coach.

its true, Valverde did not do a fantastic therefore he is the first coach fired by Barcelona in 17 years. He was not bad statistically when he coached Barcelona but he did a lot of failures in important matches, such as the biggest 4-0 defeat by Liverpool, then failed to win the Copa del rey and lastly the peak so he was fired is failed in the Spanish Super Cup.

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Quote from: Furious 7 on January 14, 2020, 09:41:30 PM

Barcelona officially dismissed the coach Valverde, the position of Valverde was replaced by Quiquie Setien, hopefully with the new coach can bring Barcelona back to play its old game because it is very much awaited by its fans.
This week Barcelona will face Granada with its new coach and we will see how the match will be in the style of a new coach.

First the new coach has to know the ambient,the players and their way of doing things.He needs at least 1-2 months of time before he can show us his changes applied to Barcelona way of playing.Also Barcelona stick to their thinking and didn’t choose Pochetino as their manager.

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Quote from: Furious 7 on January 14, 2020, 09:41:30 PM

Barcelona officially dismissed the coach Valverde, the position of Valverde was replaced by Quiquie Setien, hopefully with the new coach can bring Barcelona back to play its old game because it is very much awaited by its fans.
This week Barcelona will face Granada with its new coach and we will see how the match will be in the style of a new coach.

Don't expect some big changes in such short time.
After all, Valverde had good results and Barcelona is still leading club in La Liga but obviously good results are not enough when you lead club as Barcelona 😁
New coach don't have experience with such big clubs like Barcelona and I'm not sure if he will have enough authority.
Main problem with Barcelona is that usually 2 or 3 players never play in defense and don't care about this aspect of the match.
When Barcelona play with weaker clubs it's no so big problem but in CL last 2 seasons, in the matches with Roma and Liverpool we could see all the problems Barcelona have.
Also they depend to much on Messi.
I don't think that new coach can solve this problems or change anything.

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Barcelona officially dismissed the coach Valverde, the position of Valverde was replaced by Quiquie Setien, hopefully with the new coach can bring Barcelona back to play its old game because it is very much awaited by its fans.
This week Barcelona will face Granada with its new coach and we will see how the match will be in the style of a new coach.

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With Valverde getting sacked, i thought back was going to hire a world class Coach but they instead when for the less known former Real Betis man. I am just waiting to see how he will perform especially in the Champion's league.

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Quote from: kceekcee on January 14, 2020, 03:09:59 PM

Valverde was bullied out of barcelona, perhaps because he doesnt talk much.
His made poor decisions like any other coach, but he has done a fantastic job.

Bullied you say, how was he, he was hired by his employees and they can terminate his appointment as long as all the agreements are met. If he talks much or not, it doesn't affect his job, as long as he's doing his job well, he could be even dumb and Barcelona would not care.

Valverde did not do a fantastic job imo, it is not even about his decision making, he just wasn't the perfect coach for this team, he didn't have their philosophy, Barcelona needed to rediscover themselves and that's why valverde was relieved of his duty as coach.

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Quote from: Naida_BR on January 14, 2020, 12:07:52 PM

Such an unfair decision for Valverde.
He won twice the La Liga title and has kept Barcelona on a competitive level this season as well. Always, the manager is blamed about the bad results of a team even if it is not his fault.

Why do you think it's unfair decision? Valverde failed many times and he was given many second chances after it. Collapse against Roma and Liverpool, lost Copa final, Supercup semifinal, terrible performance in away games this season - I think it's enough. If it's not his fault, I don't know what to say.
After all, I don't think that Valverde is bad manager. I think he would perfectly fit for teams fighting for Europa league spots or in the middle table. I only can say him thanks for 2 La Liga title and wish him luck in new career chapters.
@Maotezi, I don't think that Naida is talking about Federico Valverde Cheesy

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Quote from: Naida_BR on January 14, 2020, 12:07:52 PM

Such an unfair decision for Valverde.
He won twice the La Liga title and has kept Barcelona on a competitive level this season as well. Always, the manager is blamed about the bad results of a team even if it is not his fault.

Valverde was bullied out of barcelona, perhaps because he doesnt talk much.
His made poor decisions like any other coach, but he has done a fantastic job.

he lost neymar and got dembele.,
lost xavi and got vidal

i cant really blame the valverde, lets see what the new coach does

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Quote from: Naida_BR on January 14, 2020, 12:07:52 PM

Such an unfair decision for Valverde.
He won twice the La Liga title and has kept Barcelona on a competitive level this season as well. Always, the manager is blamed about the bad results of a team even if it is not his fault.

Valverde did the best he could at that moment, he became a hero of the match and deserves many more minutes.
Sometimes such a move in that situation would mean winning the team that got the red card as we saw, the players were encouraged and confident, and Valverde contributed the most.

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Quote from: Naida_BR on January 14, 2020, 12:07:52 PM

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Valverde had spent out his time in Barcelona in my opinion and the club needed a change in style and management. His 2.5 years at Barcelona looks good on paper with the trophies won and matches unbeaten, but the philosophy was fizzling out and the club was struggling to dominate games, too this with humiliating exits from the UCL two seasons running.
And yes, the manager is to blame in situations like this especially with the amount of talent in the current squad.

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Quote from: akmal1984 on January 14, 2020, 11:30:52 AM

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Actually Valverde isnt too bad to continue to be a coach at Barcelona. It is just that Barcelona might not let them again fail to get the UCL title this season. Their fear is very clear because two years in a row they clearly failed to get the most out of the championship.

I think Barcelona really want to win the UCL and Laliga titles this season and even they are targeting threeble winner for one full season. But as a fan, I have few doubts about their new coach. Not something fantastic, but lets we see, hopefully the club has shown the right coach for their players.

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Such an unfair decision for Valverde.
He won twice the La Liga title and has kept Barcelona on a competitive level this season as well. Always, the manager is blamed about the bad results of a team even if it is not his fault.

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Quote from: kolonel_x on January 14, 2020, 09:36:00 AM

Perhaps because his philosophy was not in line with Barcelona's expectations and also with his defeat at supercopa by Atletico Madrid, it made Valverde coaches have to accept this pressure, because many barcelona fans no longer wanted Valverde to be Barcelona's coach and wanted to find a new candidate to return to club glory Barca.

Valverde is indeed a little pragmatic in compiling his game scheme. But he gave the title La Liga 2 consecutive seasons for Barcelona. Now playing well though not necessarily able to continue to win. Indeed, it needs a balance on all fronts because football is increasingly competitive. Maybe the Barcelona owners are somewhat hesitant about Valverde's trip in the champions league. Because of Barca's main target, I'm sure they are after the champions league. I just saw messi's parting post on Instagram. He wishes Valrverde the best in the future wherever he trains.

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^ The United board prolly realized they needed a rebuild all along. It's not the manager, it's... Ed Woodward! Lmao. He needs to be taken away from club player transfers and anything that has anything to do with the squad.

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Quote from: Upgrade00 on January 14, 2020, 07:08:16 AM

Valverde sacked and Quique Serin in. Ernesto did his best with Barcelona but he was not the right man for the job.
Setién was successful at Real Betis, remarkably taking lots of points from the top teams in the league. He has the Barcelona policy of attacking football and strivingg to keep as much of the possession as possible.

Valverde's sack was long overdue but it's yet early in the season and Barcelona are not far behind in the different competitions, and are indeed still leading the laliga table. Setién would have a new challenge managing a dressing room filled with lots of world class players. I'm optimistic for the future.

As a Manchester United fan I am still wondering why Solksjaer is still at his post when the team is playing so poorly and they are so inconsistent but Barcelona should know one thing that Messi isn't going to last forever and no player even Neymar isn't going to play like the way he does. So that high expectations that they have for every manager since Messi was in his prime should definitely stop.

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Quote from: daarul50 on January 14, 2020, 04:04:24 AM

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Quique Setien appointed as a temporary manager as it seems xavi will be ready to accept the job in the summer.
fun fact that Quique Setien's real betis is the only team that can beat barcelona at the camp nou since 2018 , the score was 3-4.

i bet everybody have no idea who the f is he lol
his coaching history does not really impressive unless for that beating barcelona t the camp nou.

in data and facts Quique Setien has faced 7 times with Barcelona, 6 defeats with 1 victory, even though during Quiati Setien's trainer he has never won any titles.
there is a possibility he became a coach of Barcelona just because of 1 win at Camp Nou? I like seeing the same case in Takumi Minamino when he scored a goal against Liverpool, and finally, he became a Liverpool player.

that is why i say it is as a fun fact, not a serious appointment consideration.

he also former player of atletico madrid and racing santander played as a central midfielder , pretty productive with 95 goals out of 518 appearences.
i am sure he is not more than just a caretaker while waiting better option to come.

3 lost 4 draw 12 win this season with valverde as a coach.
what could setien gives in the rest of 19 league la liga matches?
he should not have worse stats or the coach switch seems useless.

the selection of coach is a bit strange in my opinion, XAVI was initially a warm conversation to be the next coach but he refused.
I don't care about statistics when he is a player, but I need to look at his coaching statistics. Quique Setien was even fired by a real betis and it would be impossible if this was only an alternative to getting better, because he was given a contract until 2022.

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Quote from: akmal1984 on January 14, 2020, 07:52:31 AM

This is very shocking news. Barcelona fired their coach even though they are still competing in La Liga and the champions league. Is this purely due to the defeat against Atletico Madrid in the Spanish super Coppa semifinals? I doubt it a little ... I think Barca fired Valverde more because the game system that is carried out by Valverde is not in accordance with the philosophy of the Barcelona club itself

Perhaps because his philosophy was not in line with Barcelona's expectations and also with his defeat at supercopa by Atletico Madrid, it made Valverde coaches have to accept this pressure, because many barcelona fans no longer wanted Valverde to be Barcelona's coach and wanted to find a new candidate to return to club glory Barca.

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