Topic: Labor is really the birth of happiness? - page 3. (Read 765 times)

Yes man gets success through his hard work even he becomes rich one day. People working hard does not mean that they will become rich suddenly, they need to have enough time and patience to become rich because 'fingers do not grow bananas trees'.

The aim of life for the people OP mentions is simply to eat and survive. Maybe getting rich is not their goal in life. Because a day laborer feeds his family with the money he earns from daily hard work, there is no saving for the future. If a day laborer becomes rich, he cannot accumulate money very quickly, slowly he can become a rich person one day. I asked some of the day laborers about their future but they smilingly replied that their only aim for future and present is to live by eating properly.

I don't think we can analyse someone's life without knowing their circumstances. Who knows who is struggling to change the situation and fight the situation? When we are talking, we are not talking about other people's ability and intelligence and mentality, but we are talking according to our mentality, what we can do ourselves, we think that if we do, if you can, others can easily do it, but life is not the same for everyone.

My heartfelt wish is that no one should be poor in this world, no one should have to struggle too much, every person should feel very comfortable in life and good people have good opportunities to live life, but I also know that It is not possible.

I have seen many people who work hard all their lives but earn only enough to spend their time to improve their present and never save much for their future. It is not their fault if they can't do it, because they have challenges in their lives that make it a big deal if they spend their present well but it doesn't mean that I say this for every person, it is not a lie that many people fail because of their laziness, but most people fail after working hard. Compared to them, I am angry at the failure of those who just sit and depend on others, and I feel sorry for the failure of hardworking people.

Hard work alone can't get you anywhere, a miner who works 12 hours in coal mines can't become rich no matter what he does, it doesn't work that way. He is a person who works harder and harsher than even Elon Musk, it is not that he is poor because he is lazy, but because he works hard but not smart, because he doesn't have any other option. You think Elon is rich because he works hard?

I mean of course he might be working very hard, that is not the point but need to remember that we are going to end up with realizing he worked smart as well, and took risks, and build stuff that others did not at the time. This is the thing that will make things better for anyone and I believe that hard work is important but won't be enough just by itself.

Hard skilled work that should be amended to, a good trade will take you far.  I think the saying applies to trades like carpentry where its well worth learning and practising your whole life.   You can take pride from owning your own skills and means of making a living and its hard to out shine that example by any other job.

In the modern context that would relate to housing probably, a good trade can apply their skills to old housing stock and do well in that way.   Working in a factory for someone else's business is something else, there can be greater security in that but its not quite the same imo.

You have the evidence right in front of you, luck almost by definition is not affected at all by our actions, so hard work has nothing to do with it, now do I consider hard work a prerequisite to predictable success? Yes, but it is not the only factor, if success is measured on how much money you make, which seems to be what you are going for on your post, then it is obvious that in order for a person to earn more money than what they currently earn, they need to either offer a product no one else does, do so at a cheaper price or have some skills that are in high demand, otherwise you may work hard all your life and never increase your social standing.

OP Everything has a time limit. If you see someone working harder, that does not mean that person will be rich. For example, someone who only earns a small amount of money and has family at home to feed. Do you think this type of person will be rich anytime soon? But what is that destiny? If you want to be rich in life, you will be rich even with a job that pays a very small amount of money, and you can't change your faith.

The creator is the only person who knows what we will be like tomorrow. and you should keep in mind that hard work pays off. Everybody you see who has made it in life is due to hard work, but it requires time. You just have to have patience and continue hustling, and everything will be fine.

Life is a choice, everyone will definitely choose the best in their life, but in reality not everyone can enjoy a decent life due to the difficulty of changing their fate. In general, every living creature has a control over its sustenance, no matter how hard you try even if you work above normal hours, if your fate has been determined in a simple life, you will have difficulty achieving financial freedom.

This life never escapes the law of mutual symbiosis, if everyone becomes a boss, then who becomes an employee, if everyone becomes rich, then who becomes a daily worker. Changes in fate will continue to be sought so that life is not hampered by economic problems, but fate will continue to play a role as determined by the one who gave life.

I think you miss some points here OP. What teachers mean by hardwork is that if you strive harder at first and take advantage every opportunity that is available, then success will be possibly achieved. However, if you chose to start your life easier without striving so hard and giving your best, you will end up with less paying jobs that is actually far from what you aim to be. Or it’s that they have been deprived by these good opportunities due to extreme poverty, the reason that they were not able to finish their education and so they end up with less paying jobs. But still, the fact they still have jobs to support their family, I think that’s still something to be grateful for what they have right now.

Here's the thing, we all have different ways and manners to actualize our desires and how we want ourselves to fulfill our so-called "destiny". To some this involves becoming very rich that you don't have to worry about a single moment in your life about money anymore, to others, it's plain old working, regardless of how much they are getting paid and how often.

I had an office friend back when I was still working in cubicles who's very happy that she got the job doing taxes and general accounting for the company, she said this is what she's dreamt of ever since she was a kid. I personally was appalled and shocked cause I don't wanna live the entirety of my life in a cubicle working in front of a computer for hours on end. And yet there she is, always eager and happy to work, always performing her tasks splendidly, all that shit. What I'm saying is that for a number of people on the situations you have talked about, it could be what they were really dreaming of from the day they grew consciousness, and as sad as it sounds that's how they get their kicks, and we can't say no to that.

Of course there are people forced into circumstances, people who find themselves trapped in shit that they didn't even want to be in in the first place. But we already know about those guys.

Hard working pays, although not in the way that most people might think of it. hard working requires patience, good mind set, discipline and knowledge. when you are working hard, you need to do it in a smart way. that's, bear it in mind that, is does not necessarily matters that you must stress yourself working through out your life for you to be happy. No, it doesn't work that way, you use your brain, study the society you are living in. Then, make sure you know what is their need then, look for a way to get that thing they need and present it to them in return with money. By so doing, you are also working hard and earning respect.

As the saying goes "There are no shortcuts to success". Working hard is very important to achieve success, but the example that the OP gave is not relevant, such as daily workers who receive low wages and how to change their fate, it is very difficult to meet their daily needs. Especially pedicab drivers, no matter how hard they try, what do they get if they don't have passengers? Then if they don't have the skills it is difficult for them to move to more profitable jobs.

Value is created by labor, but that doesn't mean that all labor is highly valuable. Certain types of labor are way more valuable than other types of labor. Highly skilled labor is way more valued than low skill labor.
The best way to become rich is not by working hard at some 9-to-5 job. The best way to become rich is to sell something(product or service) or even resell the products/services of other people. Capitalism and market economy are all about selling something, that is useful to a large amount of people.
To be honest, I don't believe that labor/work is the main way to achieve happiness. The whole concept of "happiness" is BS to me. Life is suffering and overcoming suffering should be the main goal of life, not some BS imaginary concept like "happiness".

Talking about compliment i understand that there must be a balance in the workspace of any country or in the orderly. Everybody cannot work in one field or area of specialization there must be several workers in different sectors in other to compliment and maintain balance. Some people are meant to be farmers, some are meant to work in the technological sector, some are destined to be in the oil sector.

The thing is that if there are no farmers, there will be no raw products for manufacturer to manufacture end products and if there are no manufacturers there will be no goods for traders to sell. It's like a chain system, everything coexists because one exists. But the choice is ours to choose where we want to find ourselves working.

In my opinion, working as farmers or other workers is their destiny, and it doesn't mean they don't try because we don't know about it. They must have tried but fate had other plans, and I concluded that it was all about complementing each other.
Being a farmer is very important and greatly influences other people's lives. The success or failure of a farmer greatly influences both the central and regional governments. So they are destined to become farmers to complement each other and I think most farmers live happily because they are grateful for what they get so that the income they earn is sufficient.
And what a farmer has to think about is how his children will become successful people and I think most farmers think or plan about this, because many farmers' children become graduates and are successful. Farmers may not be able to change their fate, but they can still change the fate of their children with hard work and continuing to try.

which honestly aside from the fact that it might be an interesting proposition for ourselves to work less and get paid more it also carries risk meaning it forces us to go out of our safe zone and chase that higher wage but also its not as easy as most of the people pictured it out to be we are literally competing with hundred of thousands of other people out there trying to achieve the same thing and probably will eventually come across some people that are also pursuing the same exact thing in the same exact path and have more or less the same self worth its gonna be a difficult road to take but it is what it takes to be better than we are before.
the smart people will definitely figure out that if they worked 20 hours a day and nothing has changed they probably need a change on their way to approach how to earn money and eventually finding some other opportunity since staying means detrimental for health and future success.
for me personally, finding opportunity is a must, its the only way we can find ourselves a better life otherwise we'll just be the same person we are yesterday.

guess what teacher should stick to the curriculum and syllabus just teach the people all the basic they will know first hand based on experience on what to do next, but never have the mindset that life is as simple as working hard and then suddenly we got millions on our bank account life doesn't work that way and its not a race either but there's definitely effort need to be spent to make our dreams come true, can't just sit around and hoping miracle happens.

life's success is combination of many thing and there's no right ingredient, everyone find out what works for them, hardwork is just one factor out of many, some people could be so lazy but they can also achieve success just see those speculators, some people probably make millions out of investing in some coin overnight without doing anything, life got unique way to make people rich its not always by hard work unless you're working the conventional jobs.

If someone chooses to try another profession, of course this is very natural because they want to try something new because their previous job was very boring or the income they got from their previous job is no longer sufficient to meet the needs they need, of course they have to look for work. others who have greater sources of income to be able to meet their needs.
If someone does not have the qualities according to the skills they have, of course they must be able to find work according to their skills and it is impossible for them to work in a field that they cannot master.

Hardworking is a necessity for surviving but sometime it doesn't matter how hardworking one can be but the  ability for an individual to work smart, discover his/her talent where necessary and know how to apply it in order to make the best utilization of any little available opportunity. There many people that work for 20hours daily without a tangible wages but smart person that now how to discover opportunities can work for less than 20hours daily and make a better income.

The poverty they suffer is not because they don't have talent, not because they are lazy, not because they don't have thoughts and ideas, and not because they don't have motivation or goals to achieve better. However, what makes them able to survive even though they remain poor for generations is that this can happen because the opportunities they get are very small. In contrast to those who have financial freedom, the opportunities they have are much greater than those who live in poverty.

When you are poor, even if you have great ideas and concepts about business or whatever, chances are they will never be considered. But when these ideas come from rich people, even if they are not considered good, people will applaud. when our position is very disadvantaged (poor), to be able to get opportunities or earn some money, we have to become sycophants, even become their slaves, eliminating shame and self-esteem.

A person can improve in his profession and there is nothing wrong. Probably not everyone will be able to work their entire life at the same job, but there are those for whom this is normal. This may depend on the country in which the person lives and on the person himself. Maybe he is improving himself at his workplace, or maybe work is not the main source of income for him and he views his work as entertainment and an activity for the soul. Maybe there is simply no opportunity to change your life and get an education. For example, a person simply does not have the necessary qualities.

Personally, I do believe on luck but I never relied into this concept. Hard work plus knowledge is the key. We shouldn't be doing things the hard way all of the time. Depending on luck will just stop you from achieving more than what you were yesterday; if you'd be putting everything on your fate then you should be okay with waiting 'til it's your turn already. Given that it's luck and fate, then there's no certainty when will it be your turn. With what, I guess it is obvious to upgrade the milestone you want to see yourself into. Whether it is with academic or professional life, always keep in mind to do things will full effort. Do not kill your curiousity with things that could give you growth.
 

If you will be given a choice to work on a single job with average salary over discovery of other ways to earn more than your usual, you have to be checking on which will be sustainable in the long run.