Topic: Lending board liar - Timelord2067 (Read 1138 times)

I think this post has come to an end.
My mission was to report an abuse I suffered and make it public so that everyone could draw conclusions.
The discussion points have been many and the contributions you have provided have been appreciated.
I hope that timelord can change his mind about his mistakes. Outside of the initial anger, I don't hold any grudges against him.

I am a borrower, the more quality there is among the borrowers, the lower the cost I will pay for my loans, however I appreciate everyone's work in helping to make the lending section safer.

This post will be closed now.

Thanks again for your support and for your valuable contribution.

You calling this for asking a legitimate question: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62248489
Its accusing someone, not ask a question and he already lost my respect there.
He should have ask me polite instead of accusing me, then I would gladly answer polite and with respect.
People don't need to like me or what I do, but what I am doing is legit so don't come in my thread and accuse me for nonsene, if you have questions ask them and be polite and I gladly answer them with respect for you.
Easy as that.

I respect everyone's opinions and thoughts even if I don't share them! But don´t take my kindness for weakness.

Since its start to get off topic if you want to ask me something more you can send me a PM.

Thank you and have a great Monday.

Do you understand how narcissistic and stupid this sounds? (I'll break my fingers if they don't write enough praise about me)
You're confusing me a bit. I looked at the "conflict" history between you and DireWolfM14, and I see that you were a little aggressive towards him even though he only asked legitimate questions about your lending business.
I would never expect such words and behaviour from a "nice" guy, with something like "We all are humans and think & like different, please respect your forum friends even if them don't share your thoughts. BE KIND." in signature.



I'm not going to get into the counting of members, whether they're just unnecessary bullies or rightfully punching the table. But I agree that this drama is becoming unnecessary to "kick a man when he's down".
As everything that was needed has already been stated here, and some decisions have been made, I suggest @HedgeFx to close this topic. For now, it seems obvious that we will not move forward with further discussion here.

I agree, that part is really unnecessary.

I guess more people finally had enough, the drop from DT Strength (1) to DT Strength (-8) is rare for someone who didn't scam anyone.

There's a lot more to it than that. It's not just about making a mistake, its about making a mistake and then never conceding that you made a mistake -- over and over again, for years. There's nothing that says people on the internet ever have to admit to being wrong, but DT is not a place for such a person.

Timelord is also a bully. He pushes around newb accounts with baseless interrogations, asking them to provide sensitive info that nobody in their right mind should have to provide. He's rude, arrogant, and frequently lacks a fundamental understanding of how cryptocurrency transactions or the industry as a whole functions.

You get back what you put out into the world, and he's reaping the harvest he has sown.

I'm not talking about consequences, of course there should be consequences.  I've removed Timelord from my inclusions as a result of his stubbornness, and refrained from adding him the past due to the same.  This has all been documented.  And please don't include yourself in the "clique" that I mentioned in the my previous post.  You, probably above all others have demonstrated restraint and rational thinking, especially when it comes to matters relating the forum's trust features.  

I'm talking about people who come here hurling insults, even though they don't have a dog in the fight.  It really demonstrates the shallowness of their personality, and poor judgment of their own.  I can understand those who've been directly affected by Timelords actions taking things personally, but why does it seem that whenever an established member steps in shit, the weakest minds among us get giddy with the opportunity to insult him?

The funniest part about it is the fact that many of these mean girls (unlike Timelord) have made little to no significant contributions to the forum other than being WO merit whores, but lo and behold how they jump on their high horse to kick a man when he's down.  It's pathetic.

Taking like a man implies also calling me, out of nowhere, racist? Or does it imply to never show up in the topics about his behavior that he is not controlling? LOL!

Similar to MinoRaiola, TimeLord is a macho man =)))

That's an interesting (and surprising) view. I have a different one: this is how the Trust system is supposed to work. And I don't easily exclude users, this took me a long time, and it feels like I finally gave up on him improving.

Even if that's true, shouldn't that be all the more reason for actions to have consequences?

Admirable as that may be, it's also the problem. He's too stubborn to admit his mistakes, and that's why I believe he shouldn't be on DT. Isn't that the same reason you removed him for your Trust list?

He made a mistake, again, how many times does it take until it isn't a mistake anymore? This is his 5th time, at least. The "man" has always been down, a high ranking member of a crypto dedicated forum who does not know the difference between a personal and an exchange wallet. Not only is this "man" down, but he continues to stay down, as shown by the trust rating he keeps on giving. It is very difficult for this "man" to accept that he is wrong, so difficult that he had to mention a user (who is known for alts and scamming people) when leaving a neutral rating on my profile.


The "attacks" are nothing but a call out of an abuser who feels omnipotent because of his ability to change a number from black to orange. This "man" who seems to be taking it like a "man" has disappeared and sent his minions out to carry on his mission of attacking people, in an online forum.


This strong 50 something year old character cannot admit he is wrong but continues with his trust abuse while hiding behind a white knight, who also happens to lack common sense. Tell your friend he's wrong so he improves himself, if you care about him.

No matter about made a mistake, could happen.
But why he continue with his conviction? Why he continue an ideological fight without any reasons an left inappropriate and false feedback?

Sometimes the Reputation board reminds me of the clique of mean girls that we all had to deal with in high school.  Timelord2067 has made himself an easy target, he made a mistake with the feedback ratings he left, then another by taking the communities response personally and digging in his heals rather than admitting his mistake.  Rather human of him, yes, and obviously gives the mean girls and drama queens a great opportunity to kick a man while he's down.

But, can any of you mean girls tell me with absolute honesty that you've never made the same mistakes?  Honestly?

Didn't think so.

If it's one thing I've learned about Timelord over the years is that no matter how many of these attacks he's withstood, he'll take it like a man.  It won't change him or the effort he puts into this forum.  Right or wrong, that kind of strength of character is far more admirable than a bunch of giggly schoolgirls rushing to kick a man while he's down.

It is admirable though that you are up to date with what happens inside the forum although you don't post too much.


Indeed, your action is symbolic, as it does not have any repercussion on TimeLord's eligibility for being elected in DT but it is important to see that someone stands against this guy's continuous circus. No matter the fact that you don't influence him anyhow, your action is an example. (I hope you will not receive now a feedback for being "racist", "trust abuser", "Ponzi promoter", "troll" etc. However, if you'll receive such a feedback from TimeLord, do not be too surprised.)


Perhaps if you want, in the future, to not have only symbolic actions, a first step would be to create a custom Trust list...? (And improve your rank some more. By the way - congrats for your rank-up!  )

Honestly, I've been following the forum for a long time, I just don't have much to add and mainly read to keep up with things.

It's more of a symbolic action for me to exclude and support, I suppose, but Timelords dipshittery has only been increasing over the years, and this latest episode with him getting back onto DT, however briefly, pushed me to exclude him.

Like I said, symbolic action, but I don't particularly want to see his ravings in my Trusted Feedback.

That was also first thing I had in mind to do in the morning, but you were faster than me

I found very interesting the fact that, among the 14 users which distrusted him or removed him from their Trust lists, there was also a user from 2013 which did that and which has only 9 posts: jimmyhate. Apparently TimeLord stirred a lot of shit with his last circus that he even determined users with no influence over DT to exclude him.

So I'll just quote him:

Talk about backfiring:

Lol!


As I already explained, after being called "Butt Hurt^TM", "stuffed pig" or "brain dead" by this village idiot, I am not looking for a civilized discussion with him.

Coming back to the second imbecile feedback he gave me, if I remember well, the primates from the movie Planet of the Apes did not like at all to be called monkeys. They preferred to be called apes. Maybe the moron's problem is that I said monkey instead of ape?

At same time it's very interesting to observe that, in the reference link he posted, he was not disturbed at all for being called "old perv" (so he practically admitted that, lol), but calling him "baboon" was the problem.

Oh well, fortunately less and less DT users still include this idiot in their Trust lists and I believe soon some more of them will exclude him. Perhaps Stalker22, YOSHIE, Igebotz, KTChampions, TwitchySeal and LFC_Bitcoin will see the post and think again about their inclusions.

He deleted one inappropriate negative feedback, only to leave another also inappropriate. 

Looking further accuracy of feedback, I would say that GazetaBitcoin also got the wrong label (even only neutral). Following the given reference, I'm not sure where there is a racial insult here.
btw. what race are baboons?

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To be clear, I'm not condoning any kind of insult.

Apparently, after having my posts ignored and deleted I did not care to shed some light on my part. OKX, one of the largest exchanges has now an in-built mixer. Makes you wonder, how many users did this manchild falsely accuse in the past.

 

I don't have much technical knowledge, but even I know that. With a basic knowledge of how transactions work you know that casinos and exchanges consolidate inputs in certain addresses and when making withdrawal payments they do them from those addresses, so for an external observer those coins are mixed, there is no need to "build in" anything.

Lol:
Every exchange, casino and bank (!!) is a "mixer" to the outside world. Not all information has to be public.

He is a liar and he continues to persevere in his errors and falsehoods

Luckily I saved and quoted in this post all the lies he wrote.

He continues to accuse without any evidence. He changed the charges against me, but still red and i'm still a scammer on his opinion

Freedom of expression is a right for everyone, but slandering a person is not part of freedom of expression.

Dear Timelord, is so hard to admit, "Sorry I made a mistake"

Oh, I understand now


He probably thought about it for a little, but the lack of medicines clouded (again) his judgement. So all he could think about was something like "Oh boy, oh boy, I escaped today again from the mental hospital! Let's get online on the forum quickly and let's see what low rank user I can harass   " -- or, at least, this is what I believe he thought about in that day.

I probably didn't express myself in the best way.
I just wanted to point out the holes in the Timelord2067 research. How realistic is it that someone who is aware (judging by the quoted HedgeFx feedback, he certainly is) of the bad sides of the Ponzi business, at the same time takes a loan to invest in another Ponzi? If he had at least thought a little before he got involved in this whole circus...

An additional thing is that it is completely wrong to tag someone for the reason where he spent borrowed money, without even researching the accuracy of this insinuation.

Welcome


I am glad to hear that! This is a good start!


This was a wise decision. Good job!

P.S.: in the future please do not quote the entire post made by someone, especially if it's a long post. Either quote line by line and reply below the text you quoted or select to quote only the relevant part

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There's a slight difference, dear examplens, between the situation you pointed out and the situation created recently by TimeLord.

First of all, HedgeFx gave a negative feedback to a Ponzi promoter. That user could make people lose money with that Ponzi scheme. For helping users not fall in such traps, marboroza opened that thread and he also created flags for each Ponzi promoter, together with giving those users negative feedbacks. Such as this case or this case. And, as far as I see, you also supported those flags so you considered them relevant (same as I do). So there should be no problem for the fact that HedgeFx gave that feedback toa Ponzi promoter.

On the other side, TimeLord accused (wrongfully) accused HedgeFx for investing in Ponzi schemes, not for promoting them. So while promoting such a scheme may lead to financial prejudices to a lot of people, investing in a Ponzi scheme is up to anyone willing to risk his money. At least, this is how I see things. If someone is dumb enough to put his money in a Ponzi, so be it -- it's his money, not mine. That person does not do any harm to others excepting him, since he is only investing in a Ponzi scheme and not promoting it.

Furthermore, HedgeFx did not even do that, as TimeLord's accusations were hallucinations determined by the fact that he did not take his pills for a week. So even if the accusations were true, HedgeFx could not harm anyone by investing his money in a Ponzi scheme; he could only harm himself. But he did not promote a Ponzi. Anyway, he did not even invest in a Ponzi.

So I think the situations are very different...

P.S.: in case someone is curious, I don't know HedgeFx. This is first time I interact with him and I only did it after fillippone told me about his situation. Probably if it wasn't fillippone I would have missed all the circus done once more by TimeLord (and I would have been very upset if that happened, lol; but, fortunately, I didn't miss the clown show he made again ).

You are missing one important thing: Timelord accused me of investing in ponzi but I do not invest and promote any ponzi.
Ponzi and MLM are scam. I also reported the user to moderator (this guy made lot of post that was deleted by moderator after my report: https://bpip.org/Profile?id=3546817).


Did you notice that HedgeFx left a negative tag to member @N30W_414 for promoting Ponzi, a month before the Timelord accused him of investing in a Ponzi scheme?   What kind of Pantomime of truth is involved in TL analysis?

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I hope you have learned that there is no place for emotions when you are in a discussion with an unknown person on the Internet. Emotions most often influence the making of wrong decisions.


Did you notice that HedgeFx left a negative tag to member @N30W_414 for promoting Ponzi, a month before the Timelord accused him of investing in a Ponzi scheme?  What kind of Pantomime of truth is involved in TL analysis?

Thank you Gazeta for your suggestion,

I am a very emotional person, passionate like most of those who live on the Mediterranean coasts. Yes, i understand how trust works, and from my last mishap I have learned further things.

I changed trust on PS34 (using more appropriate words ) . My apologies  to him and to all people i could have offended for my inappropriate words. My judgment of his actions remains negative.

About flags, as Loycev said, the only thing i can do is withdraw it. And it was done. I made a mistake opening it, due to my inexperience.

You are right! I edited my earlier post, deleting the quoted part.

That's not possible. All he can do is withdraw it, which he did.

HedgeFx, please make sure you follow LV's guide for correct use of Marketplace Trust system. This is not a system for retaliatory feedbacks. It should be used for financial deals when giving positive and negative ratings. When you have to share anything else you can use a neutral feedback.

In case you simply do or don't trust someone's judgement you can add that person to your trust list or remove the user from your trust list.

Be aware that trust lists and Marketplace Trust system are two different mechanisms and you properly understand them if you want to use them.

Scammer flags are another mechanism, different than the 2 ones mentioned above and you should also make sure you understand this system prior using it. For more information about how Flag system works please follow this thread.

In case you'll use these 3 mechanisms incorrectly you'll only risk to look as ridiculous as the baboon looks. And I don't think you want that, do you?

For example, regarding this:


You should make sure that you changed the type of your feedback not because LV asked you to, but because you actually understood how the system works. And, if you actually understood all these, then besides changing your previous feedback from negative to neutral you should also modify these ones:



1. Your flag against TimeLord is incorrect, as he did not scam anybody. Furthermore, the flag was already opposed by multiple DT users.

2. The second highlighted feedback from the picture is another example that you misused Marketplace Trust system. You gave a negative feedback to a spammer. The spammer is spamming, not scamming. Therefore, since there is no financial loss, that feedback should be a neutral one, not negative.

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As LV already stated, the community sided with you and undid the damage. I personally also involved in this conflict, after fillippone brought it to my attention, and I exposed (again) TimeLord's idiocies, hypocrisy and misuse of forum mechanisms. As you probably observed, he has already about 8 DT exclusions or so.

You should make sure you are not making same mistakes he did. If you'll do it, you'll looks like a clown, just like he does.

I hope this will help you understand that you really need to study well Marketplace Trust, Flags and Trust list systems, in order to use them wisely and correctly.

I'm offended by people who say they're offended! Being offended is a choice. Why torture yourself?

Nice to see that you are the bigger man here HedgeFx and changed color of the feedback. Don´t let Timelord get under your skin, I think that´s his goal and he´s not worth it.
This is good for the future of the trust system.

No, I'm not stubborn. I just feel very offended and let the anger take over.

I understood and I followed your advice: I changed the color of trust.

Thanks. The more people use the Trust system correctly, the more useful it is.

Be more like the The Thick-Skinned Gang. Don't let the opinion of people who's opinion you don't value get to you.

I think he's a stubborn person and won't listen to other users' opinion. When someone make a mistake, I can still forgive him because it might his first time react to this situation. But if he still stand with his opinion when everyone already told him, the problem is his behavior, not his ignorance.

I'm going to distrust both of @OP and @Timelord2067.

Edit:
Even @OP decided to change his feedback, I will wait for next few months to see his progress as he can easily change it back to red color.

I respect you ( like I respect many others here) : I’ll go to change color.

Thank for suggestions: anger drive me into this kind of mistake, sorry.

Agreed.

Negative feedback is meant for scammers. You've removed your previous BS tag, but unfortunately added a new one. With that, you're abusing the Trust system to complain about someone who abuses the Trust system:
No it's not! The only reason I haven't excluded you from my Trust list yet is because because you're far from DT already. In the past days, you've gotten yourself several DT1-exclusions already. And that's exactly how the Trust system is supposed to work: if you use it incorrectly, your feedback will never mean anything.

Why go down this road? I really don't get it! Someone did something bad to you, the community sided with you and undid the damage. Now you're only making yourself look bad.

Agreed.

@HedgeFX: the wording of your current feedback is accurate, it's only the color that's wrong (and damages your own reputation).

It's not. Read this clarification from theymos. If you suppose that someone misuses the Trust system you should distust this user (add him with ~ in your Trust list), but not misuse the Trust system by yourself (not incorrectly tag anyone). Otherwise you'll be distusted by others, because of your own mistakes.

You are doing exactly the same thing that Timelord did (Incorrect use of Feedback System)

No, you can't say i'm the same as him. NO.

I don't accuse anyone. I don't say timelord is a scammer.

He left me 3 - i repeat 3 - warning on my trust. Each one only based on his convinctions, whitount any evidence . From my side timelord acted with the intention of ruining my reputation and the fact that he deleted all the messages that disavowed him confirms my thesis.

My negative trust is more than justified: Timelord's actions could have compromised all my sacrifices.


It is right to leave a negative trust to a person who takes an action that harms you. And timelord acted with intent to harm me.


**Of course my trust will change if timelord withdraws or changes the trusts he left me

OP, Do you think he didn't get that he was wrong? Of course, he knows that. But sometimes, our ego becomes more significant than that. We don't want to accept our mistakes and hesitate to apologize. I don't know how strong his evidence is. I read his posts where he showed that you used the same wallet address. Can you guys explain how you both used the same wallet? Or did you explain there? I am sorry I did not check other responses. Of course, his feedback's are incorrect use of the Trust system. As others already said, He is not in the DT network, So his feedback won't show as trusted feedback on your profile.

But, What do you guys do? Some prominent members asked you to remove the feedback you left, not because your words seemed angry. They asked because of its color. You just deleted and re-wrote your old feedback, and it's still negative. You misused the trust system, the same as him. So, What is the difference between you and him?


I encourage you to delete the feedback and make it neutral. Use negative feedback only if someone scams you or is likely to scam you (If you have proof). I believe he knows that he is wrong. That's why he deleted the responses in his self-moderate thread and locked it.

I was busy these days and could not post on the topic of Timelord2067 though I wanted to post on there. Today I have opened the topic and wanted to post but the topic is locked. I could not understand the reason for tagging these two users. If they increased trust by giving/loan from each other and both account is of one person then it could be okay. And in this case, the issue should arise a long ago. But that had not happened. It happened when failed to accuse by the name of Ponzi. If I invest in Ponzi then no one can say anything but if I promote Ponzi then others might be losers for me and in that case, anyone can accuse me.

You see, he keeps on doubling down, is he as blunt as a hammer or is it too difficult for him to accept he's wrong and move on, there's no need for an apology at this point? Anyways, to me, this matter is closed, thank you to everyone who commented on the drama and helped us solve the issue.

You and HedgeFx are certainly right, but I completely agree with LoyceV, it is also wrong to use the trust system on your part if you leave feedback or a flag carried by personal emotions.
Timelord2067 topic certainly does not belong to the Lending section (as already said several times), I reported to the moderators to move it, but that's already a question for Cyrus and hilariousandco, why is it still there?

In the meantime Timelord is locked his topic in the lending board, I assume that in this way he wants to stop further discussion there, or at least only temporarily as he himself says. It would be good to leave this whole drama to one topic.

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Now I see that he decided to post another neutral feedback to alterra57 and HedgeFx with the same reference, without deleting the previous negative one. Totally twisted, I wonder why it is so hard to admit that you were wrong and rash.

I had respect for all the good things Timelord did, he really did a lot for the forum, but unfortunately, such a stubborn attitude, defending wrong decisions, forces me to put him on my distrust list.

Hmm... the development of this drama moves in a rather quick pace. I was just finished reading the thread and the thread being referenced on the opening post and I see that both OP and alterra57 has withdrawn both of the flag and negative trust. I appreciate you both being the bigger men in the room. I am opposing the flags raised on both of you too.

I've Opposed the Flag too. This is in no way worth a Type 2 Flag.

@OP: Please read Trust flags, and after that, consider withdrawing your Flag.

As for your feedback:
If you remove the last part, I completely agree. But retaliating with Trust abuse is not the answer, excluding him is. Then, leave neutral feedback with facts only.

I've got him on ignore. It seems that in the past he did well in the forum but for some time now he has been too conspiranoid and sees alts everywhere without evidence. He accused me and Naim027 of being alts and even kept insisting after there was clear evidence that we were not.

I also distrusted him but he is not on DT anyway, so his feedback shouldn't matter that much.

Best thing you can do is to put him on ignore as well and forget about him.

Two wrongs don't make a right

You don't have to wait until he removed his negative feedback, what you can do is distrust him and the good thing he's currently not in DT, so his feedback not show in trusted.

Edit:
The thread is still not moved to Reputation board, Lending board isn't an appropriate place to discuss about someone behavior.

Thing is, whatever HedgeFx is saying is true. Not only did Timelord2067 launch a campaign of fake accusations against HedgeFx and me, he also tried to censor us and many other members of the forum by deleting our posts in a self moderated topic. On top of that, he still has not removed our red flags, at this point this is pure abuse of the rating system and he most definitely deserves the same.

I'd say you're both wrong.

It's true his feedback has a weak evidence, so it's not really appropriate to leave a negative feedback and flag into your profile. It doesn't mean I'm supporting HYIP or Ponzi, but I don't think we need to care with the funds we lend, in lender perspective.

But do you think you're correct for leaving him a negative feedback and flag? how much money he has scam you? what's sign if he will scam anyone? I oppose the flag you create because I don't see he will scam anyone.


He just wrong in leaving feedback and flag, what you can do is distrust him. Since you're leaving a wrong feedback and flag too, you could be distrusted if you not change it.

First, move this topic to the Reputation board, it belongs there, not here. It will also be more visible to a larger number of members there, many do not come to the Lending board. Likewise, the thread opened by Timelord does not belong here, but in the reputation section.
Next, There is no need to enlarge fonts, it will not increase the importance of the whole thing. It is perfectly fine to use the default forum font size.
Also, if you can reduce the size of the images you posted it would be much more pleasing to the eye.
Instead of tag, just add
So for example your images can be shown as

It´s a bit scary with people that ain't big enough to admit when they are wrong and apologize.

It that really your goal Timelord? To make people abandoned their account even that they haven´t done anything of what your accusing them for?
Whats your end goal here? To be alone on the forum? Satoshi created this forum for everyone!
First I think your goal was to have a scam free forum, but after look it up a bit more i am shocked of your behaviour.
Please stop to harass people like this, its not nice in anyway! And it´s not cool to act like this in an anonymous forum.
Why cant we all just be good to each other???

And yes maybe I haven´t been here on the forum for a long time, but I am old enough to know how humans should behave to each other.

Long story short:

Timelord2067 (https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/timelord2067-131361) tagged me red without any reason.

1) This infamous and lying person accused me and Alterra57 of investing in Ponzi and of being the same person.
2) He  did not open a scam accusation on the appropriate board: to avoid being contradicted he opened a self moderated topic in the lending section (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62330423).
3) All his theses have been denied directly by other users who have opposed the flag ( https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62352496)
4) Every time I replied to his post, posting evidence that he was wrong, he obviously deleted the messages.

I write this post in order to defend my integrity and my honor in this section of the forum, because it is here that I have found so many kind and helpful people. And I did the same, always honoring my debts.


These are the screenshots of the messages we exchanged with Alterra regarding the loans he granted me, confirming that we are two different users.







Instead, this is the confirmation that the coward continues to delete the messages where I post the evidence that he is wrong, because he doesn't want to admit he was wrong.