Topic: Let us devise a Sensible solution to Copy and Paste situation. (Read 1190 times)

A 7 days ban is a weak solution and wouldn't deter anyone from plagiarism,as they simply can do so,get off and chill out for 7 days and they are back, it just doesn't make sense.
This looks most sensible to me,but wouldn't it be difficult to ascertain those who plagiarise for such reasons,i mean how are we going to go about it determining those who cheated simply to earn from the forum.

this is not to do with breaking international copyright laws. .. not one person whom has been banned would quality for that description


I can show you plenty of memes that will all soon be breaking europes laws....


So now we are saying we will ban people for breaking no legally enforceable law world wide

but

we will not ban those breaking actually legally enforceable laws in other places in the world and if they are linking from europe based hosting sites then....


the obvious thing is we need to ban those people that are copy and pasting for financial reasons to spam this board because they are not net positive and can not even construct a good post that adds value to the board.

a lot of this copy and paste here does not come under copyright infringement

Show me some copyright infringement please from examples of banned people lately.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_infringement#Criminal_law

Provide grounding. Don't just say you think something  has been said here before 10x with no reason behind it..  That means you are pointless and net negative to this thread. We want to reach optimal opinions here so if every thread is polluted  with 100's of posts just saying the same thing over and over with out providing any case for to support their opinion

"Copy and paste or plagiarism is a crime"??  where did you get that impression.. this is not as black and white as you may believe and motive is the very most important factor.

I think polls on serious matters need to be manual and also people need to provide reasoning in the thread on their opinions so we can see just who is voting for what and why. I mean why should a vote even be given any consideration if it is demonstrated the person voting is basing his vote upon corrupt or incorrect information or is demonstrated not to have the capacity or training to give an opinion that can be anything other than a pollutant to logically reaching the optimal decision or implementing the guidelines/rules that have an optimal effect.

How about bringing some reasoning behind your statement and how would a few copy and pastes that were not financially motivated from posters that are hugely net positive getting banned be anything other than 100000x worse that someone who just gives out opinions and nonsense that contributes to incorrect decisions. I mean they are net negative and should be deleted if we are being sensible.

Look it really is this simple - the forum is like a bank and you want to accumulate the most money ... people are measured by how much NET sum they pay in. You don't want a bunch of people who pay in 0 ever telling you that you need to get rid of people that pay in 50k per year and occasionally draw out 10 bucks ...


@Steamtyme

good post actually and yes this loanshark one is an interesting one .



We just need a set of criteria which can separate net positive people getting occasionally sloppy and lazy vs those that are intentionally using other peoples work to gain from it financially. This is common sense.

I think that there is no more changing rules about copy/paste, no chance at all to be given since copy/paste or plagiarism itself is a crime.

dont u wish

CH is wiping the floor with every bit of face you have exposed world wide
u hve meet ur accumulative matchs, show some respect

Can you please contain your personal grievances in the thread created for this purpose: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/cryptohunters-problem-with-the-top-200-merit-receivers-5086297

The link to the text is at the bottom of the post where all sources of that post can be found.

Now you spineless jackal and part of a gang here trying to silence me and anyone else who does not do what you want are about to get banned yourselves for this kind of abuse.

I mean red trust attempt that i beat back proving abuse yesterday
NOw 1 day old puppet account trying to get me banned and you all talking and rejoicing (Early) but this will back fire this entire think stinks and nobody will fail to see it now on this second attempt. Using a brand new account to report proves what spineless jackals you really are and how you are not to be trusted at all.

Good bye suchmoon but which one of us leaves here. It will never be me I can assure you.

See whilst I beat your power hungry bullying little mind into pieces in public with observable events and corroborating evidence and raw data over and over again and reduced you to a barely functioning mess shouting out ludicrous pathetic statements like "most pre merit legneds are spammers " and " that I was an idiot for saying i believed some of the 99.93% of the users here are capable of making posts as good if not better than some of the 0.13% of users" and then you running away and refusing to go back on those statements or answer questions regarding them you were left wondering how. 

How had your bullying tactics and all of your even more foolish gang together allowed you (and them to get destroyed absolutely destroyed in public over and over and over again"

Because you are of mediocre standard and only believe your high merits mean you are more valuable than anyone else.  You are certainly not smart enough to defeat the truth. Sorry.

Now because you have tried to silence me through disgusting abuse of this board and its systems I think it is time for you to be removed from any positions of trust or power and that goes for the entire gang.

Filthy bunch of cowardly jackals. Before you slink away to your holes like you have in every other encounter I want you to list your accomplishments on this board that are publically observable . I challenge you to do it now. There must be some BIG difference you made here apart from playing whack a mole and trying to silence people with your bully tactics.

Soft and steady language of some of you does not mask your deeds here. Given time I will demonstrate you are all bad eggs.

That steemit thing is bollocks because cryptohunter clearly is replying to the post that has the link. Sloppy posting but probably not a bannable offence.

However the set of dash links that gets copied over and over - I don't see any attribution or anything else that would indicate cryptohunter is not the original author. I'm genuinely interested what the excuse is going to be.

Something similar has already happened against OP in the report topic, check this:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.48790244
Newbie account with one and only post

A 0.01BTC fine seems like a good idea though or something that small to redeem yourself. Although we’ll end up with the same number of people just saying they’re unfairly targeted... members that have been here long enough should be able to afford the fine, those who haven’t won’t unless they put in work to educate themselves.

And as Leo said, there aren’t many that get banned for copy pasting it’s just quite a large amount of the banned ones that’s why we’re noticing them. It’s not like you can unconsciously plagiarise.

Understood. I just felt it needed saying as that point of view is important to still have present for this discussion to move forward. To effectively overhaul and implement any major change those opinions serve to show what the new system has to overcome in opposition; or at least appease for support.


I learned from the ChiBitCTY thread that there was a precedent set in the past, in regards to LoanShark I beleive. I really don't know anything beyond that not everyone agreed, and that they had been unbanned. Since it came up in a plagiarism thread I assumed the ban was related to this.

Moderators could simply apply their discretion in the handful of cases that deserve that. I know there is the concern of setting a precedent (if we let one off the hook then everyone will want the same) but honestly most of these suggested "second chance" schemes wouldn't be any better.

These are all actually very good ideas. There are many ways to tackle this with out losing net positive members to head shots. Carrot and stick to keep people net positive is best. Perhaps 0.5btc is too much although we need to remember those that are within the ratio will get it all back. Those that actually lose it even after sensible consideration are actually quite worthy of some punishment if not total deletion.

The reward money will just go to any person finding extra copy and pastes open to the entire board to be split with original finder and  escrow fee for mods. So anyone can claim. But your other ideas sound quite fair too as good alternatives.

If we could arrive on this thread at a few different ideas then set them up as polls all over the board.

1. shit posters will freak and start deleting their own spam
2. they will be very aware we dont tolerate financially motivated copy and paste spam.

so that alone is part of curing the issue too.

How would you approach multiple offenders?
Plagiarists rarely copy and paste as a mistake. It's a deliberate act, and they are likely to have done it more than once.
Would their offense be counted from when they are caught? Do you think multiple offenders deserve a second chance?
I'm more disposed to have issues handled individually, considering the number od copy and pasted, and situation leading to the offense.

With all my respect to you, I think you don't understand the main reason behind banning copy pasters.

It is not just to punish these membres but to keep the bright image the forum has as the biggest forum dedicated to bitcoin and blockchain and all its content should be unique.

Nobody is going to pay 0.5btc to get their account back. It'd have to be a reasonable fine relative to what their account is worth. Somewhere between $100-$500 maybe. I possibly wouldn't be against some sort of fine but not sure it going to staff or the forum would be a good idea. People will just whine we're banning people for the money. We could tell them to donate it to charity which at least then some good would come of their behaviour and nobody but a good cause benefits. You could maybe give people two options: You can either have a sig ban indefinitely and earn your signature back by getting sufficient merit (say maybe at least 100) or pay a fine (that goes to charity). As I've mentioned before I'm strongly in favour of more donator ranks that give you a bigger signature and maybe they could get their signature back by purchasing one of them. I think we should also give them the option or earning it back via merit so at least they have two options and if they don't want to pay anything then they can earn their signature back by contributing something worthwhile.


This. I would personally prefer that users just stop doing the plagiarism then we wouldn't have anything to worry about. I think theymos should probably link to the rules somewhere so new users are made aware of them or even better constantly reminded of them somehow. I think some bright red warnings when they go to submit a post like DO NOT COPY AND PASTE/PLAGIARISE CONTENT OR POST REF LINKS would also help.

These are all good points. However to me the system we are all describing is basically the same to ID the users that are net positive matched to a set of criteria that demonstrates this. My proposal simply takes the load away from a few people and with the reward system decentralises the work load. If innocent you get your money back.

That's not a good idear at all... For example, if i had some kind of grudge against somebody, I could just copy one of their original posts and paste it on my blog with a backdated timestamp, so it looks my blog article is older than the original post my victim made... Then i could just click the button => BAM autoban.

I could even up my stealth so i wouldn't face any punishment if somebody found out the victim was autobanned due to my scammy methods... I could simply register a free .tk domain, then create an account on a free webhost and create a blog there (all over a VPN or tor)... Then copy somebody else's work and post it on my blog with a backdated timestamp... Then i could create a newbie account on bitcointalk over my VPN or tor, and get a senior member autobanned... Sure, maybe the ban wouldn't stick, but the member would still lose access to his/her account for a while untill the admin has time to look at his ban appeal and unban his account.

I'm not in favor of an automatic ban mechanism...

For the rest of this thread: i'm not a political person... I , personally, wouldn't like to see somebody getting severely punished because he or she copied my work, but i completely understand if other members do have severe problems if their work gets copied... It's against the law to plagiarise in many places around the globe, so i completely understand Theymos has to make a point here, it probably would reflect poorly on him if he let people plagiarise without punishment.
I wouldn't be opposed to the fact of unbanning somebody if the violation happened a long time ago, and if the member has behaved in a suitable manner for a long, long while. In the law of my country, there's something called a "verjaringstermijn". It basically means that if you commit a crime, you can only be punished for this crime the next x years after the crime. The amount of time needed for a crime to become "unpunishable" depends on the type of crime.
I don't know if there's something similar in the US (afaik, that's where the bitcointalk server is hosted), but i can imagine a member who joined in 2010 and commited the crime of plagiarism once in the first year he's a member but never commited the crime again in the next 8 years (while still remaining an active member) could potentially fall into a different category than a shitposter.